[PC NA] My patience has run out with the harassment in PvP

acastanza_ESO

Theignson wrote: »

The whole problem with "just ask them to stop" is a lot of these trolls run offline. So there is no way to "ask them to stop".

Recording yourself attempting to send the request and showing the message vanish is the workaround there.

VaranisArano

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

The whole problem with "just ask them to stop" is a lot of these trolls run offline. So there is no way to "ask them to stop".

Recording yourself attempting to send the request and showing the message vanish is the workaround there.

I'd expect that screenshots and "I made a good faith attempt to tell them to stop" should probably be enough for those of us who don't record our play sessions.

Dojohoda

Many years ago, the person I was grouped with was tea-bagged. We were both dead. Anywho, the teabagger bagged my teammate, a stamblade, then paused to remove all of his armor (not changing to bath towel, but removing his armor) and bagged him some more. We laughed about it, mostly because he removed his armor on a battlefield. Knowing my teammate, who always played drunk, he might have egged it on by whispering the guy. I was completely ignored by the bagger.

Amottica

VaranisArano wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Theignson wrote: »

The whole problem with "just ask them to stop" is a lot of these trolls run offline. So there is no way to "ask them to stop".

Recording yourself attempting to send the request and showing the message vanish is the workaround there.

I'd expect that screenshots and "I made a good faith attempt to tell them to stop" should probably be enough for those of us who don't record our play sessions.

Pretty much this. I expect Zenimax can see requests that hit their servers and see we made an attempt.

Oh, And trying to avoid being asked to stop will likely be added to the pile Zenimax looks at when they are deciding to ban a player.

jaws343

JamesForums wrote: »

The onus of evidence is always on the one being harassed. Which is why it is easy to be a bully in online spaces like this.

It adds insult to injury when you have to work so hard to get anything done about obvious violations of TOS. I wish ZOS would be more responsive to individuals who begin harassment campaigns against others.

The onus is rightly on the person making the report to prove it, because the opposite would lead to people using the report system as a form of harassment in itself.

And people already try to do that as it is, but not to the extant it would be if the onus to prove innocence were on the person being reported.

bachpain

I never see anyone doing anything on my dead corpse. I press E and rez at the nearest facility to reenter the battle instead of staring at my screen in a rage. I am sure there are kids that get their jollies by showing the people they "killed" how cool they are with emotes and such, but I am looking to get back in the game and have fun. Life is too short for all that drama.

godchucknzilla

This post, omg, so are we going to ban Necros for using mortal coil on your body next?

This phenomena of people calling fight-win-celebration harassment in a game where we kill each other has got to stop.

Orpheaus

JamesForums wrote: »

In the real world, people feel the consequences of their actions immediately. This is why these t-bag folks get their kicks ruining our day. In the real world they would never have the courage or strength to act like that. They would be physically shut down and/or have legal repercussions.

If actual adults are getting this upset about seeing pixels move up and down after they die in a video game. Society is actually doomed.

Turtle_Bot

Orpheaus wrote: »

JamesForums wrote: »

In the real world, people feel the consequences of their actions immediately. This is why these t-bag folks get their kicks ruining our day. In the real world they would never have the courage or strength to act like that. They would be physically shut down and/or have legal repercussions.

If actual adults are getting this upset about seeing pixels move up and down after they die in a video game. Society is actually doomed.

Some of it is much more serious than just pixels moving up and down in a video game.

Years ago now and it was dealt with back then, but I've had friends doxed, serious threats of violence made against them and their family (family (including elderly parents) who don't even play the game btw), accounts (and associated emails) hacked, among other things.
I've also heard stories about stalking and other very serious incidences including soliciting/blackmailing/harassing female players for inappropriate things, things that would get me banned if I repeated them here.

Some people need to get a thicker skin, but that doesn't mean there aren't horrible people going around in the game committing serious criminal offenses that need to be dealt with and who should be removed and prevented from rejoining the community. The issue is that usually those types of horrible people start out with small innocuous things, such as t-bagging and whispers and keep escalating their bad behavior until it reaches such levels because there's no repercussions for their actions and they know they can get away with it. Obviously, not all t-baggers/whisperers are like this, but these small actions are almost always how these types of people start out.

It's why there's a lot issues with the anti-name-and-shame policy, and lack of feedback in regards to outcomes of reports. The guaranteed anonymous outcome makes it far too easy for people like this to either, wait a few days for a temp ban to expire then change their account/char names, or, simply make a new account, and continue on with their bad/criminal behavior like nothing ever happened.

Ren_TheRedFox

@SkaraMinoc harassment in PvP really sucks I agree with you on that... Have been tbagged hate whisped several times in PvP the last few weeks and most of the time with the argument "you're ruining my PvP experience on your healer" or "you're a beam bot who can only press one button". I've reported two players the other day in IC and even made a video after the first time they killed me cause I knew they will tbag me again... Submitted a ticket but I don't know if those two got what they've deserved...
Reporting people for harassment is definitely something that has to be done more often these days.... but I don't know if people will stop will stop harassing other players.
In your case I feel like people harass you because you're a great player and they have to "boost their ego" by killing you.
I personally hate it to fight you when you're not in my team in BGs cause you're a very strong player .... but even if you kill me or I kill you I would never disrespect you cause at the end of the day it's just a game and those people whom we are fighting are real persons behind a monitor and they have feelings like everyone else does ....
So yeah I totally agree with you that something has to change in terms of dealing with harassment or better said toxicity in PvP.

Velocious_Curse

Bagging and emoting is a way of life in cyro. Just respawn and keep going lol

The amount of times I've died to a zerg and just lay there and some random level 14 runs up and pops a few bags on me makes me chuckle.

Just laugh it off and go about your day 🤷‍♂️

Casul

I think this issue is rather skewed. Let me give my opinion and comment on the other side.

Just last night me and a few friends were in blackreach last night leveling my new magplar (level 28 just fooling around shooting ballistas). I was tossing some flares around the mine flag and got caught by a night blade before I could block the incap. Boom - Dead. I started getting a resurrect and knew he would try it again, lo and behold I was correct.

After we prevented his 2nd attempt we all ran over and bagged him. This was just a “nice attempt but gotcha” kind of gesture. After that we all went out separate ways and encountered each other a few more times that night. No bagging past that point, because end of the day it wasn’t a big deal to us, just being silly for him trying to kill the level 28 who was surrounded by a group of people.

I think maybe the difference between my experience and what some people in this thread are speaking about is the intensity of the encounters. When someone complains about getting bagged it leads to a rise in that behavior. This leads to an isolated focus on one player that probably extends into the harassment area. As some have mentioned you cannot whisper anyone who is offline (you could try sending mail as a way to cover yourself, but most people aren’t checking their mail in Cyrodiil). I feel like this entire encounter could be prevented by just not responding though, if you feed the flame it’s sure to grow, but leave it alone and it will die out.

Again different perspectives from some people here but wanted to share nonetheless.

Casul

JamesForums wrote: »

To show the extent of the harassment I am experiencing, look at this whisper I received from a stranger being recruited to also harass me. This person had the decency to tell me what was happening, but many others just happily take part in abusing players for nothing but their own enjoyment.

I have reported this and many other pieces of evidence showing harassment, but I don’t think ZOS has ever done anything about it. I have removed the ID of the concerned player and the ID of the person constantly harassing me.

This to me seem like someone is getting a thrill from the reaction you gave. The fact that you are ignoring and reporting him is causing the reaction he wants and thus he is basically pushing more and more to get an even bigger reaction.

To me this pushes outside the boundaries of a simple tbag, if this person is truly coordinating an organized brigade against you, then I would say that falls under harassment. Because if this were a trial guild doing it, or a role play guild doing it, or a trading guild doing it. The end result is still a targeted brigade against one player from another single ringleader.

I think in my opinion you should not label PvP as the culprit because I have had plenty of positive encounters from enemies in PvP (because at the end of the day I need them to be there or else it’s just more PvE), many of which involve tbagging.

To me this is just a player acting against the TOS and creating a hostile gaming environment (entire game not just PvP). Regardless, I hope you can return to normal gaming and not have a brigade against you.

Sythen88411

"Still eating popcorn reading comments"

merevie

JamesForums wrote: »

Based on the continued harassment I received after making that report, and many others, I don’t think it was taken seriously. Which is why I originally commented in support of the OP with my own experience.

Godspeed to the 99% of ESO players who are kind and enjoyable to play with. Karma will hopefully take care of those abusive folks who continue harassing/stalking some of us.

Karma generally involves grabbing 3 mates on Discord and clarifying why one is not food the same way it worked in the schoolyard. If they're a streamer, (and they usually are...) that's usually a real quick process. Made friends with a lot of that type and they're just overexcited - think there's prob a small number who are toxic -the 12 man tbag crews that stealth on solos for example.

Luth7

I came back to ESO a few months ago and regularly play battlegrounds, Cyro and IC on the EU server. In BGs, i mostly heal others with "polar winds" combined with a high HP pool (just saying because of the above mentioned crossheal hate).
I've never experienced teabagging (but tbh i wouldn't care about it, if that was the only thing) and only got one PM so far when i was afk in pve; someone congratulated me to my "sick mount".
The behaviour described here is completely alien to me.
Is this more prevalent on the NA server, am i just lucky or could it be something else?

CameraBeardThePirate

Luth7 wrote: »

I came back to ESO a few months ago and regularly play battlegrounds, Cyro and IC on the EU server. In BGs, i mostly heal others with "polar winds" combined with a high HP pool (just saying because of the above mentioned crossheal hate).
I've never experienced teabagging (but tbh i wouldn't care about it, if that was the only thing) and only got one PM so far when i was afk in pve; someone congratulated me to my "sick mount".
The behaviour described here is completely alien to me.
Is this more prevalent on the NA server, am i just lucky or could it be something else?

Pretty sure it's just people getting their feelings hurt and extrapolating it out to be more frequent than it is.

I've been playing since beta and ESO's PvP scene is definitely on the less toxic side of average when it comes to PvP games. If you don't start stuff, and more importantly, don't retaliate when someone tries to start stuff with you, I can guarantee you won't experience enough toxicity to be troubled. There's an ignore function in the game for a reason - if someone whispers you they're more than likely only trying to get a response out of you. Ignore them and move on. People need to have thicker skin because the amount of genuine malice in this playerbase is way lower than others.

Van_Winkle

Why are you even care about such things? It's just a pixels on you screen. Most of this "terrible t-baggers" are just people, who want to play pvp, which is always broken, and their emotions just burst out because of this.

geonsocal

I like playing the flute over dead enemy players - a lot...

I make it a point to especially do a string of emotes for lower level players...

it takes some courage to get out there in cyrodiil with a lower level toon...

shoot, many times during large intense keep battles, I'll pop an immovable pot just so I can do an emote over someone laying there...

I do the knee slap, laugh and point emote also, combined with the play dead - just to make sure they get the point that I'm mocking them for dying...

the irony being that I die a bunch too...

I'm not a bagger, but feel like taunting/teasing enemy players with emotes is a pretty okay thing to do...

I really like the sound of the flute...

I actually appreciate and smile whenever someone takes the time to go through their slotted emotes over my dead body...

it's entertaining for sure, especially those folks who can put several emotes together in a creative way...

oh well, different strokes for different folks...

ketsparrowhawk

In fairness bash sorc needs to be severely nerfed lol

Caribou77

When I kill a player who has tbagged me I don’t pause just sprint to the next objective to win the match. It’s a great way to 1) win, and 2) deprive their desire for attention.

CompM4s

I get zerged on by 20+ and get emoted and bagged for minutes lol. Right or wrong, its just kind of something you have to shrug off in online pvp gaming. Most doing the bagging are not great players and I recommend not to take it to heart.

Marcus684

CompM4s wrote: »

I get zerged on by 20+ and get emoted and bagged for minutes lol. Right or wrong, its just kind of something you have to shrug off in online pvp gaming. Most doing the bagging are not great players and I recommend not to take it to heart.

Why would you lay there for minutes after dying? As soon as I die, I'm hitting the respawn key and looking at where I'm going to rez, or maybe checking the death recap.

*Points to forehead* You can't get offended by t-bagging if you don't see it.

lonnml

I think t bagging is gross but emotes???

Some people in this game (especially those who decide to play broken builds I.e. bash sorc or builds that mess up the flow of the BG) are more toxic in my opinion.

DaisyRay

I can't believe we are in 2023 and bagging and emotes still causes so much distress that you guys are willing to possibly get someone banned from a game they spent so much money on. You guys call bagging and emotes childish, but I think getting someone banned over an emote is childish.

I always laugh when I die and even more so when someone bags or emotes on my corpse. It's all in good fun. I would never report someone for that personally.

LittlePinkDot

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Okay how about this.

If I see repeated bagging, /stomp, /sweep, or any other emote against a new player, then I may reach out to them asking if they are okay with the behavior or not. If not, then I will explain ESO Code of Conduct, Section 2.3, how to give the offender a warning, and how to submit a report if the harassment continues.

I won't submit any tickets on behalf of another player. It's up to them.

And yes, emotes can absolutely be a form of harassment. The only difference between an emote and teabagging is that an emote has a command whereas teabagging must be done manually. Both use character animations to potentially cause distress to another user.

LOL I can see why verbal harassment is unacceptable. But what a character does on a screen should be irrelevant.
People are too soft these days.
I remember the good ole Diablo 2 days.

Etherea1

I don't know how to live in real world, e.g. interract with my colleagues and deal with stressfull sitiations if I am so easily offended by some ingame animations. Dude noticed me, took his time to press crouch few times or used shovel instead of casually running to the next objective.

pedrogonzalez

Man, if you don’t like just ignore that. I am for example in this game only for that toxic PvP behaviour.

xylena_lazarow

This game needs clearer standards for player behavior and more consistency in rule enforcement.

edward_frigidhands

hhk wrote: »

If you get triggered by that, you really have to work on that... Honestly.. best thing is, get on with your life as an adult and let Kidz tbag.

Couldn't agree more with this one.

You shouldn't be wasting your time or energy being upset about pixels on a screen.