Thinking of Founding a "No Petsorcs" Guild, Because (and But)...

Bat

I've grown tired as heck of this new persorc meta. Their flappies in every dungeon, their squeekies grating constantly, their stupid little scamps stunning and holding adds so I can't chain them in to the fight.

I've grown tired as heck jumping a few times over dead bosses before I'm allowed to loot them because the stupid sorc pets and/or ultimate are blocking the interaction.

I've grown tired as all heck having petsorcs running ahead of everyone and pulling the aggro of entire dungeons just because the class promotes that behaviour and mindset of "I don't need a tank or healer, I have both because I play a sorc. To heck with these NPC team mates."

I'm thinking of founding a guild where we only accept players who do not actively play petsorcs, so that we can do content together without having to dance around their stupid pets or be confused over who is tanking.

But I realise the Code of Conduct might consider this "discriminatory". So let's say the guild's purpose is RolePlaying. We have guilds that only accept High Elves for example, and this is allowed.

Would it be allowed to have a "No Petsorcs Allowed" type of guild?

Grizzbeorn

"New?"

I've been tripping over sorc pets every time I turn around since the summer of 2018 (when I started playing.)

(my sorc doesn't use pets just for that reason.)

And I don't see any reason why a guild that prohibited their use wouldn't be allowed. As you say, there are a wide variety of guilds based on specific playstyles already active.

Soarora

I really wish we could have more options for hiding other players abilities. Hide DK standard option, hide Petsorc pets, hide nb shade, etc. For friendly players only of course, if it’s from an enemy would need to see it.

I also don’t see why scamp and warden bear need to apply cc. It can’t be for pvp because to my understanding people don’t run either in pvp. It can’t be for group pve because tanks…

Bat

Case in point, the sorc class promotes bad behaviours, as was furthered evidenced in the veteran DLC dungeon I just rage quit out of. Three sorcs, and the healer was fake. Who needs support when you have tank pet and healer pet, right? They all ran ahead of me and left me dead, started the boss fight and then the fake healer had the nerve to mock me for dying after I died to the boss because I had no resources after resurrection because they all chose to run ahead of me and start the boss fight leaving me to fend a barrage of adds on my own until I was pulled into the boss fight dead (no resources sent to me at resurrection either, because healer was fake).

I'm honestly so fed up with petsorcs at this point.

phaneub17_ESO

I am a bane to your existence! All 3 Sorc uses two pets, all 3 Wardens use a bear who I decided to give skooma because...

Bat

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

"New?"

I've been tripping over sorc pets every time I turn around since the summer of 2018 (when I started playing.)

I see you play on PC-NA, and I know the sorc class is a lot more popular there than on PC-EU (as is also the case with the Khajiit race), where I main and where this nuisance is a lot newer. We're currently in a very HA/Sorc friendly few patches, and I don't see any changes coming in the next patch that would offset this in any meaningful way. There's been an unprecedented influx during the past year.

WiseSky

Would you accept me if my sorc pets are service animals?

SilverBride

I think you can have any type of guild you wish as long as it's not based on something that is against the ToS.

When I played WoW the GM of the guild I was in turned down a player for membership because he had a name that wasn't a name. It was something like IBeatYouUp. This player reported him for discrimination but Blizzard stood behind our GM saying it was his right to only accept players with "real" names if that is how he wanted to run his guild.

I don't see how not accepting pets would violate anything.

ArchMikem

Pet less Sorc present.

There's actually been a resurgence lately, and I think it's because of the Oakensoul ring. One bar heavy attack builds use both pets and they're all over PvP as well.

Alpheu5

Anybody with extensive knowledge of mechanics and survivability can get by without full support. This isn't strictly a "petsorc" thing and it's dishonest to say that pets grant sorcs some magical ability to bypass skill checks. A clannfear isn't going to solo-tank vCT.

Trejgon

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Anybody with extensive knowledge of mechanics and survivability can get by without full support. This isn't strictly a "petsorc" thing and it's dishonest to say that pets grant sorcs some magical ability to bypass skill checks. A clannfear isn't going to solo-tank vCT.

I thought the point was that pets cannot do it, but the players running them think they do.

NordSwordnBoard

As tank, just kite the boss so the pet is in their way instead of yours.

spartaxoxo

Trejgon wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Anybody with extensive knowledge of mechanics and survivability can get by without full support. This isn't strictly a "petsorc" thing and it's dishonest to say that pets grant sorcs some magical ability to bypass skill checks. A clannfear isn't going to solo-tank vCT.

I thought the point was that pets cannot do it, but the players running them think they do.

If they succeed in soloing the dungeon (which all classes can do) then it's not really the pets making them think anything, it's their knowledge that they don't actually need their team. And that is not exclusive to pet specs.

Rather than blaming pets, it would probably be better to make a guild for people who don't want to rush dungeons.

Supreme_Atromancer

I can't see any reason not to make your guild. Its forming a community around some idea. I don't know if its enough to really be the heart of a great guild, however...

I still love my pets, though, so I'll never be part of the brigade. I've been summoning them since 2014 regardless of whatever FOTM happens. Twilight is a signature skill of the Sorcerer, and still one of the best and most interesting things about the the class.

I think it would be absolutely fantastic, though, if they made her ground-based like they were in TES3 unless they were in combat or running. This would keep them out of people's faces. I think that would get rid of 90% of the complaints people have with them.

Zodiarkslayer

Bat wrote: »

I've grown tired as all heck having petsorcs running ahead of everyone and pulling the aggro of entire dungeons just because the class promotes that behaviour and mindset of "I don't need a tank or healer, I have both because I play a sorc. To heck with these NPC team mates."

I bet those pet sorcs on PCNA are all jamaican and they are laughing all the time, because noone but them gets the reference. 🤣🤣🤣

rabidmyers

yeah it's definitely not just a sorc thing but with that being said i usually do see sorcs the most doing it

me personally i just leave any dungeon when i see these types of players, i like to call them racers as they seem to think dungeons are a racetrack

i'm totally fine taking my penalties, within the past few days i had to leave dungeons on vet pledges 3 times in a row due to these people always wanting to rush. easily will take a penalty any time over playing with these guys

i've also gotten the pleasure to see these people rush off ahead thinking they are so good, only for them to die and it's always satisfactory and gets a laugh out of me.

ps: i am a healer

Jaimeh

It might seem worse than before because of Oakensoul, since the mythic is strong on sorcs. Even if zos made non-pet sorc competitive, the above would still be popular because of the ease and the survivability it offers. It's a playstyle like many other playstyles, and although it's a bit visually intrusive during combat, it's not that bad, assuming the DDs are not on top of each other. The only times it can get problematic is when sorcs drop atros on top of the tank (it's better to drop them by the DDs, so the can also easier grab the synergy), and outside of combat when there's pets in a limited space like a crafting building, a bank etc., so you can't see or interact with things, which can be improved if more people get into the habit of dismissing them in towns. On the other hand, if you want complete chaos, all-pet-sorc trial runs can be kind of fun

Destai

No reason not to make one. If anything, gives your guild some flavor. You could make it a hard rule, and support it with some RP rationale like being anti-daedra or something. I’ve thought about founding a druid grove themed guild, and allowing in Wardens.

Bat

spartaxoxo wrote: »

If they succeed in soloing the dungeon (which all classes can do) then it's not really the pets making them think anything, it's their knowledge that they don't actually need their team. And that is not exclusive to pet specs.

Rather than blaming pets, it would probably be better to make a guild for people who don't want to rush dungeons.

This is not about people being capable of soloing dungeons. Most of the sorcs I encounter wouldn't be capable of doing that because they haven't learned to play, neither as a team nor solo, without their gimmick pets shielding them from damage by tanking for them and healing them passively (not actively - they keep these up at all times remember), without their lightning staves allowing them to keep a safe distance from harm at all times. The sorcs in my example could never solo the dungeon in my example, veteran Earthen Root Enclave. They simply could never. So no, this is indeed about the sorc class promoting bad behaviours.

Ragnarok0130

As a healer having Twilights flapping in my face when we're stacked for a strat or mech when I'm trying to see what's happening to heal my team and avoid boss mechanics is my reason for not liking pet sorcs. There are 4 twilights in this picture and a clanfear added for good measure. I've had it much worse at times when we've been pixel stacked where all I could see is a twilight's rear end on my screen.

Bat

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

This is exactly what I mean, these obtrusive monstrosities are becoming a tangible nuisance with this class' increasing popularity.

Trejgon

Bat wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

If they succeed in soloing the dungeon (which all classes can do) then it's not really the pets making them think anything, it's their knowledge that they don't actually need their team. And that is not exclusive to pet specs.

Rather than blaming pets, it would probably be better to make a guild for people who don't want to rush dungeons.

This is not about people being capable of soloing dungeons. Most of the sorcs I encounter wouldn't be capable of doing that because they haven't learned to play, neither as a team nor solo, without their gimmick pets shielding them from damage by tanking for them and healing them passively (not actively - they keep these up at all times remember), without their lightning staves allowing them to keep a safe distance from harm at all times. The sorcs in my example could never solo the dungeon in my example, veteran Earthen Root Enclave. They simply could never. So no, this is indeed about the sorc class promoting bad behaviours.

None of sorcerer pets does any passive healing. For those that do healing at all, you need to activate their skill while they are summoned. Which is like every other heal skill in the game, but with added prerequisite of dummy NPC being alive at that time.

As for tanking bit - the main reason I have stopped using pets on my sorc was ever growing annoyance of buggers drawing aggro and dying on me, in any fight where their input would matter. So in any fight that was not over within couple seconds I would need to spend time either during or after that fight to recast the pets.

The only bad behaviour I personally can see sorc pets in their current state promoting, is not paying enough attention to mantaining the dots, because as long as someone competently holds taunt on the room, the pets are just that - infinite duration dot.

BlueRaven

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

As a healer having Twilights flapping in my face when we're stacked for a strat or mech when I'm trying to see what's happening to heal my team and avoid boss mechanics is my reason for not liking pet sorcs. There are 4 twilights in this picture and a clanfear added for good measure. I've had it much worse at times when we've been pixel stacked where all I could see is a twilight's rear end on my screen.

Just curious…

Why are the pets facing you? Are you healing with your back to the boss?

Do sorc pets know how to stack with the group? I was just doing a trial last night, and the sorc pets seemed to go everywhere…

I can see a crown, but how can you tell you are even in a group? In all of that UI noise, I can’t see group members health bars?

And do you do dungeons in first person view? It’s kinda cool that you do, but I have to say you are the first player I know who does that.

Elsonso

Bat wrote: »

Would it be allowed to have a "No Petsorcs Allowed" type of guild?

I would think it would be impossible to enforce.

Also... been running pet builds since 2014.

Fugus

Seems like the developers need to shrink down the flying pets down to about a third to a quarter their current size to make them less intrusive. Tried running a group a while back with a bunch of pets, was really hard to make stuff out even in 3rd person view.

Ragnarok0130

BlueRaven wrote: »

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

As a healer having Twilights flapping in my face when we're stacked for a strat or mech when I'm trying to see what's happening to heal my team and avoid boss mechanics is my reason for not liking pet sorcs. There are 4 twilights in this picture and a clanfear added for good measure. I've had it much worse at times when we've been pixel stacked where all I could see is a twilight's rear end on my screen.

Just curious…

Why are the pets facing you? Are you healing with your back to the boss?

Do sorc pets know how to stack with the group? I was just doing a trial last night, and the sorc pets seemed to go everywhere…

I can see a crown, but how can you tell you are even in a group? In all of that UI noise, I can’t see group members health bars?

And do you do dungeons in first person view? It’s kinda cool that you do, but I have to say you are the first player I know who does that.

We were doing an LOS strat in vHOF en route to the next boss and some people were facing into the corner but I like to be ready to move so I was facing out while hiding. I took the screenshot as an example of the twilight madness that I have run into during trials while stacking on bosses. Regarding the health bars I cropped the sides of the image to protect the guilty...well most of the guilty ;-)

Hapexamendios

No pet sorcs? OK, no problem. My warden and his menagerie will be happy. He doesn't like sorcs either.