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Please buff DKs
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TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KingLewie_III wrote: »
It makes sense that it would chose the weakest target. But where is Warden? Maybe floating in a block of ice just out of picture?15 -
MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭DK need some class identity back. Their skills are all over the place. Mag DK is ok, but Stam is another matter. No proper Stam spammable unless you accept poop ball, which isn’t that bad of an ability but does not synergise with the Poison theme. I think the class needs reworking personally. Not a full rework just a hard look at what they want Stam DK to be. Poison or Rock themed? Or both? There’s enough skills to tweak to make it possible without hurting Tanking. As for healing? No one is doing that on a DK nor should ZoS try to make it a thing. The Resto Staff skill line exists for a reason. A couple of heals are fine Cauterize is good, but Stonefist morph being a heal? Come on now. It’s just nonsensical.5 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »DK need some class identity back. Their skills are all over the place. Mag DK is ok, but Stam is another matter. No proper Stam spammable unless you accept poop ball, which isn’t that bad of an ability but does not synergise with the Poison theme. I think the class needs reworking personally. Not a full rework just a hard look at what they want Stam DK to be. Poison or Rock themed? Or both? There’s enough skills to tweak to make it possible without hurting Tanking. As for healing? No one is doing that on a DK nor should ZoS try to make it a thing. The Resto Staff skill line exists for a reason. A couple of heals are fine Cauterize is good, but Stonefist morph being a heal? Come on now. It’s just nonsensical.
TBH Nobody will want to hear that. There are 3 classes that both Mag/Stam and Hybrid are lacking. DK doesn't NEED anything12 -
MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭TechMaybeHic wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »DK need some class identity back. Their skills are all over the place. Mag DK is ok, but Stam is another matter. No proper Stam spammable unless you accept poop ball, which isn’t that bad of an ability but does not synergise with the Poison theme. I think the class needs reworking personally. Not a full rework just a hard look at what they want Stam DK to be. Poison or Rock themed? Or both? There’s enough skills to tweak to make it possible without hurting Tanking. As for healing? No one is doing that on a DK nor should ZoS try to make it a thing. The Resto Staff skill line exists for a reason. A couple of heals are fine Cauterize is good, but Stonefist morph being a heal? Come on now. It’s just nonsensical.
TBH Nobody will want to hear that. There are 3 classes that both Mag/Stam and Hybrid are lacking. DK doesn't NEED anything
Like I said Ardent is ok. Draconic is meh. But Earthen Heart is a hodgepodge of skills that don’t seem to know what they are meant for. I’m not advocating buffs. DK need a couple of nerfs to be honest. I’m advocating for some semblance of identity. Especially in that last skill line. If they want to push for three skill lines to fulfil specific roles in line with the newer classes then:
Ardent Flame: DPS
Draconic Power: Healing + 1 or 2 damage morphs.
Earthern Heart: Tanking + 1 or 2 damage morphs.
Buffs and cc would be sprinkled in on relevant skills.
I know a lot of people don’t like Stone Giant but I think it’s a fun skill. So I would keep it as an optional morph. While Stonefist and Obsidian would fulfill a tanking role.
But I would also add a definitive spammable that is Poison based. I would not choose whip, I’d probably go with Venomous Claws and give it upfront damage so it can be used as a spammable. It doesn’t matter it has a DoT as the same thing is true for Frost Reach and it works just fine as a spammable for Frostdens. Then I would find another skill and make one of its morphs poison, perhaps talons or maybe even ditch Cinder Storm and make it a Poison Pool skill.
As for the obvious elephant in the room. Yes, Corrosive Armor is 100% OP because its perk affects all direct damage. I would change it around and instead make it so it specifically increases Poison Damage by say 10-20% while it’s active. It would reign its burst abuse in PvP in, while still making it good for pressure and for Poison DK builds in general.
Then back to Stone Giant, I’d probably change a few Two Handed morphs to have some kind of Earthquake and Fissure effects to the visuals of one or two morphs. Wouldn’t need to change the function. Perhaps Reverse Slice could smash the ground instead and apply its execute in an AoE without the target requisite. One morph of the Ult could be AoE and cause spikes of rock to shoot out and knock enemies in the area up into the air.
Gone on a bit of a tangent here but you get the idea. Point is that DK and admittedly some other classes all feel like they have “half-builds” that can’t be finished thematically because there aren’t enough options.
I’m excited for the Arcanist class but I would have much preferred either third morphs or some more offensive skill lines to supplement the current classes.0 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I keep wondering if devs play the game...
they do, just not at the level where this stuff matters. they aren't in a vet trial prog group, but they are doing vet dlc dungeons. maybe not the HM's.
to be perfectly honest, for 90% of the player base everything is fine. right up until vRG HM or GS prog my sorc has been fit for purpose.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I keep wondering if devs play the game...
they do, just not at the level where this stuff matters. they aren't in a vet trial prog group, but they are doing vet dlc dungeons. maybe not the HM's.
to be perfectly honest, for 90% of the player base everything is fine. right up until vRG HM or GS prog my sorc has been fit for purpose.
And if you look at the logs, Sorcs are still by far the most played DPS class in non-HM trials. All classes parse similarly on the dummy too, the gap between top and bottom isn't that big to affect the ability to clear anything.0 -
Cast_El✭✭✭✭They don't play PvP then. I only play pvp content and I am main templar, second main mag sorc XD.
The problem is the gap of power between classes. It is too big right now. If you play NB it's so easy, you enjoy 10min then it's boring. Same for warden. I don't play DK though3 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Best spammable in the game? Check
Hardest hitting dots in the game? Check
Great self heals and sustain? Check
Top tier control? Check
Most amount of major and minor buffs in the game including major berserk? Check!
What do you buff a class with that has no weaknesses? Wait I know, a teleport that cleanses and grants major courage!9 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm a DK main who only plays Necro these days. I think DK should have it's own instance of the PvP zones.
Pretty sure NB has the most named buffs though.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast4 -
OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah NB has a LONG list of debuffs and buffs, named and otherwise, in their class kits. Not trying to say DKs are behind anybody at the moment, just addressing that one point.
NBs have major evasion, major cowardice, minor cowardice, and minor courage-- just to name a few important ones that DKs don't have.2 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
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They are there, but they are cloaked. Don't you see them ? Look closely at that ripple in the water (between "ZOS" and "Sorc & Templar Mains"). That is where they are hidingI guess NB is God in the sky which is not present in this meme 🤣
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 1, 2023 1:41AM3 -
Caribou77✭✭✭✭✭I was in a bg on my Magsorc a few nights ago and had a somewhat drawn out 1v1 with a DK. Magsorc isn't my main, Magden is, but it's getting boring spamming frost reach deep fissure and polar wind, so I switched to Magsorc for the challenge.
Anyway, after 1v1 with the DK for maybe 30 seconds, another member on his/her team spam/ganks me with Surprise Attack, and I'm toast.
Then, the DK teabags me for a good five seconds.
So, yeah... DKs...6 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You guys are getting incredibly bias and forgetting that DKs don't make as good of group healer as everyone else.I was in a bg on my Magsorc a few nights ago and had a somewhat drawn out 1v1 with a DK. Magsorc isn't my main, Magden is, but it's getting boring spamming frost reach deep fissure and polar wind, so I switched to Magsorc for the challenge.
Anyway, after 1v1 with the DK for maybe 30 seconds, another member on his/her team spam/ganks me with Surprise Attack, and I'm toast.
Then, the DK teabags me for a good five seconds.
So, yeah... DKs...
LoL It's pretty common for DKs to draw you in until corrosive is up or the have a damage dealer come hit you while your focusing on trying to do damage. FWIW; Wardens do that as well, minus the corrosive option0 -
Caribou77✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I'm pretty savvy to the corrosive ploy, and Magsorc is good for staying at range until it wears off, but what I find most challenging about 1v1-ing a DK on MS is their defense, healing, and sustain. I can hit them 4 abilities to their 1, and if their health gets low... BOOM, back to full health, and with plenty of sustain left. So pretty much the only way I get a decent DK is timing the combo of Ice Comet/streak perfectly AND the addition of a few lucky procs on Crystal Frags. Otherwise, they can stand there and take damage and heal, etc.1
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OBJnoob✭✭✭✭✭
✭If I had to pick one... I'd say it's their healing that's a problem. Their damage is very high, but I can generally out heal it. I've gotten pretty good at blocking leaps and running away from Corrosives.
I don't find their defense to be that strong (healing not included,) and their sustain will hopefully take a hit when they fix ash cloud.
When I hit a DK with a combo it seems like their health goes down about the same as everybody else. It just WHAM instantly goes back up again.2 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Personally, I think it’s hilarious that corrosive is still in the game. When you read what the skill does it kind of seems surreal like there’s no way that could be in the live game right?6 -
AdamLAD✭✭✭✭✭My DK freinds have been hitting 11k to 17k leaps with maras balm on. Just deleting people sure some had bloodspawn on too. Never mind whips in corrosive.3
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Bl4ckR3alm93✭✭✭Rasande_Robin wrote: »
No they dont lol. DKs only recently started getting love for about the past 1 or 2. For the longest, DKs were outdated and neglected4 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, please buff dk's. When they flex nothing much happens.
One would think that merely walking would set the world on fire! Why are the dragons in our homeland bigger than dks? 
DKs should not even need to wear armor! 
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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acastanza_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DK and Nightblade are by far the strongest classes in the game.
Warden isn't far behind either.
ZOS needs to do some serious balance work in the next patch.2 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭oh, boy...
does anyone even uses flame skull?
instead of more damage i was going to be happy with better animation.0
