North and South Elsweyr Kill three Dragons needs to be lowered to one.

Veinblood1965

I have been working on the Northern Elswyer kill three dragon daily for a week or so, before the current event even started. Killing three dragons when there is NOT an event is a pain as the zone is almost devoid of players. Not saying there aren't any players but normally just 2 or 3 players are on the Dragons. Now the event starts and I'm like COOL, I can whip these three out super quick! I was WRONG!!! Same as other events the Dragon mobs are camped and dead within 30 seconds which is not enough time to travel to one, the only thing left to do is just wait at one spawn point and kill them when they spawn. Now this wouldn't be so bad except the dragons to not re-spawn quickly. As someone said in zone chat last night, "I'm going to bake a pizza while this next dragon spawns".

The dailies in the Reach and Western Skyrim were lowered from three mobs required to one a while back, it is time to do the same with these two zones. Seriously, I doubt many people have tried the dragon dailies since zone release or during non-events and it's just tedious. During events it's even worse.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I will add to the above something else I noticed: Dragons in Southern Elsweyr don’t count for the Northern Elsweyr daily and vice-versa. Compare this with Harrowstorms, where I can pick up the quest for both zones and finish them with the same storm. It makes it even more tedious than it needs to be.

Kirawolfe

Another perspective: I hunt dragons every weekend and more rarely during the week with my brother (who plays from Australia) and a friend. It can be a little tough to find help in Northern Elsweyr on the lower two spots if it's a weekday night, but inevitably if you start the fight someone comes along.

During the event of course things are insane. Just pick a spot and camp it and the dragons will inevitably come to you.

The rewards are awesome - Dragon's Blood & Rheum sells for a mint. And I enjoy going for three - you see variety in the type and in the severity (feels like they've made them tougher lately).

I have never tired of stabbing three dragons in the rear while blocking wing and tail slaps and occasionally dying to the 'CROISSANT!'. %)

Tenthirty2

It's going to be bad like this at least thru the weekend and partway into next.
Running N. Elsweyr last night dragons were dying in 30-40 seconds. That's about normal during the event.
It will begin dying down later next week, but yeah, gonna be nuts for awhile.

Best advice is become familiar with the spawn areas and camp in the area, just wait. Boring I know.

For those on PC I'd also HIGHLY recommend getting World Events Tracker (https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2459-WorldEventsTracker.html)
It will help a lot with timing dragon spawns, also works for Harrowstorms, dolmens, etc.
Sometimes it can be a little buggy. Like when you first zone in, it make take one or two dragon spawns for the timers to sync. But overall it's been a great little tool.

@ZOS_Kevin It's worth a mention maybe for the future that during the event the dragon's health gets a big boost, or their DR gets a big increase so they last a bit longer. Mentioning it bcuz I saw several ppl in chat last night suggesting increasing health.
There were many newer-sounding players who were there to experience the event but either bcuz of slow mounts or not knowing the spawn areas they couldn't make the fights in time. Heck, I have a maxed mount and know all the shortcuts to spawns and still can't make it to many fights before the big guys drop dead.

Stinkyremy

Why would they not increase spawn rates on the event damn it

DMuehlhausen

No it doesn't. Easiest answer today.

ZOS_Kevin

Hi All, thanks for your feedback here. We'll pass this thread along to the dev team as some of the early feedback for the event.

@Tenthirty2, thanks for the additional insight from your time in-game yesterday. That perspective is helpful to give context. Appreciate it.

Taggund

They are a huge time waster (especially with what appears to be a slower spawn time in N. Elsweyr), and I did them both the first day, and I may do them tomorrow when I have time. Otherwise, I'll avoid and do the other dailies.

BretonMage

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

The dailies in the Reach and Western Skyrim were lowered from three mobs required to one a while back, it is time to do the same with these two zones. Seriously, I doubt many people have tried the dragon dailies since zone release or during non-events and it's just tedious. During events it's even worse.

I do the dragon dailies often, and they are great, even before the event. There are usually people there (especially at S. Elsweyr) unless it's during a quiet time, say 5am on a Monday or something. If they reduced it to just one kill needed, it would reduce the population doing them. They're some of the busiest world events in ESO, it would be folly to change them.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I’d be happy if the spawn rates were increased. Ideally, they should be like Dolmens such that there is always one coming in if there isn’t one already on the ground, at least during the event. Yesterday, I had fully intended to murder Dragons all night long, but after spending so much time re-zoning trying to FIND Dragons that had

1. Spawned
2. Somewhere I could reach before they were killed
3. In the zone I needed to progress the daily quests

I was sufficiently frustrated and bored I called it quits as soon as the quests were done.

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

Heck, I have a maxed mount and know all the shortcuts to spawns and still can't make it to many fights before the big guys drop dead.

Also ran into this, and additionally had a couple load screens freeze me in place such that I missed a few I otherwise could have tagged at the tail end of the fight and gotten credit for. I usually only have that problem during Trials and in busy areas of Cyrodiil.

Arunei

At the very least they need to either drastically reduce spawn timers on Dragons or give them more health. Heck maybe even do both. It's frustrating to not be able to reach a Dragon before it's nuked and it's a huge waste of time to wait at one spawn area.

Mesite

I leave a character in the area In the north. I log on to see if there is any dragon and anyone there fighting it. If there isn't I log off and play on another character. If there is then I join in.

Mithgil

I don't really bother with the Dragon dailies during the event, only killing a dragon for a specific quest or Endeavor. If I do, I'll go with Southern Elsweyr as it's much easier to move and get onto the dragons compared to Northern. The other dailies give the tickets and I tend to choose the WB dailies as there's always enough people and you don't have to wait long.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for your feedback here. We'll pass this thread along to the dev team as some of the early feedback for the event.

@Tenthirty2, thanks for the additional insight from your time in-game yesterday. That perspective is helpful to give context. Appreciate it.

It is nice that you forwarded this problem. This is something that we have brought up each time there is an event in Northern Elsweyr. In fact as I recall the reason Southern Elsweyr had faster spawn rates when it was released was from player complaints about the Northern dragons. So thanks for forwarding this problem hopefully we will see some positive action this time.

To the OP: I don't bother with the dragons in Northern Elsweyr. Instead to get my ticket I run the daily delve or world boss quest which I can finish in less time than it takes for a single dragon to spawn. If I want or need dragon kills I go to Southern Elsweyr where they spawn more frequently and are more convenient to get to from wayshrines.

DirtyDeeds765

It's fine. You've just gotta be quick. Open your treat boxes and then immediately rush to the next dragon.

@DirtyDeeds765

SeaGtGruff

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

had a couple load screens freeze me in place such that I missed a few I otherwise could have tagged at the tail end of the fight and gotten credit for.

@WhiteCoatSyndrome, I also ran into the problem of being delayed by lengthy load screens, but here's a trick I figured out that might help if you're on Windows.

The next time you take a wayshrine, or travel to someone, or just log in on a character and get a load screen that seems like it is never going to go away, try pressing Alt-Tab to bring up a different window on top of the ESO game screen-- I think typically it will be the ESO launcher window. What I've found is that within a few seconds of doing this, the load screen goes away and the game screen appears behind the launcher window as expected. At that point I just click anywhere on the game screen to bring it back to the top and make it the active window again.

Now, I can't say for sure that doing this is what's making the load screen go away, because there's always the possibility that it was about to go away on its own anyway. However, it "works" so reliably for me that it's difficult to write it off as coincidence. But naturally I have no way of knowing how long the load screen would have continued to just sit there if I hadn't used Alt-Tab, so maybe it is just some kind of coincidence. If it is more than just coincidence, I can only guess that something about having the launcher window (with its scrolling advertisements and announcements) on top and active is nudging the game as it were, possibly because some data packets it's waiting for are being sent when one announcement is being replaced by the next.

You can also try this proactively-- that is, take a wayshrine and press Alt-Tab as soon as the load screen appears, rather than sitting there and waiting to see how long the load screen is going to stay there.

jle30303

I would like to add the following observations:

Apart from the fact that the spawn time is a lot longer in Northern Elsweyr than in Southern Elsweyr, there is the issue of convenience: TWO of the Dragonscour spawning grounds are quite a considerable distance from wayshrines.

The northern one is right by the Star Haven wayshrine.

The southwestern one... A couple of the landing grounds are just about within striking distance of the SW wayshrine. Others, well, aren't, and getting there from The Stitches is really not very practical thanks to the fact of there being just so many chasms, bridges and forced detours.

And as for the southeastern one... Don't even think about getting there in time. Neither the Hakoshae nor Tenmar Temple wayshrines offer a good way up to it, proximity on the map doesn't mean a thing when there's no way up the cliff. If there's an event on, either you're there and camping it, or you miss it. You might JUST be able to get from one of its landing sites to the other, if it lands at a different one to the one you're at.

(Of course, things are slightly different if you own Moon-Sugar Meadow house and can use it as a teleport, right on the southern edge - and right by a pair of convenient routes up to *both* the southwestern and southeastern plateaus.)

Alternatively, when there *isn't* an event on, almost nobody bothers going to either of the southern dragons in Northern Elsweyr, only the northern one sees much action (I've seen it get killed, spawn and respawn three or four times while the southern ones were sitting on their plateaus untouched.) Which means that if the southern dragons HAVE spawned, and you go there, chances are you'll definitely get there in time to fight it, but you'll be alone when you do, and die horribly because for most players it takes a zerg to kill a dragon.

Whereas... in Southern Elsweyr, both dragons have reasonably convenient nearby wayshrines, and they spawn considerably more frequently.

To be honest? I think there just aren't enough wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr, and with all the chasms and cliffs, the place is an absolute nightmare to navigate around. There could do with being at least one other wayshrine on the southern edge near Merryvale Farms and Moon-Sugar Meadow house.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

@SeaGtGruff Thanks, I’ll try that!

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan

jle30303 wrote: »

I would like to add the following observations:

Apart from the fact that the spawn time is a lot longer in Northern Elsweyr than in Southern Elsweyr, there is the issue of convenience: TWO of the Dragonscour spawning grounds are quite a considerable distance from wayshrines.

The northern one is right by the Star Haven wayshrine.

The southwestern one... A couple of the landing grounds are just about within striking distance of the SW wayshrine. Others, well, aren't, and getting there from The Stitches is really not very practical thanks to the fact of there being just so many chasms, bridges and forced detours.

And as for the southeastern one... Don't even think about getting there in time. Neither the Hakoshae nor Tenmar Temple wayshrines offer a good way up to it, proximity on the map doesn't mean a thing when there's no way up the cliff. If there's an event on, either you're there and camping it, or you miss it. You might JUST be able to get from one of its landing sites to the other, if it lands at a different one to the one you're at.

(Of course, things are slightly different if you own Moon-Sugar Meadow house and can use it as a teleport, right on the southern edge - and right by a pair of convenient routes up to *both* the southwestern and southeastern plateaus.)

Alternatively, when there *isn't* an event on, almost nobody bothers going to either of the southern dragons in Northern Elsweyr, only the northern one sees much action (I've seen it get killed, spawn and respawn three or four times while the southern ones were sitting on their plateaus untouched.) Which means that if the southern dragons HAVE spawned, and you go there, chances are you'll definitely get there in time to fight it, but you'll be alone when you do, and die horribly because for most players it takes a zerg to kill a dragon.

Whereas... in Southern Elsweyr, both dragons have reasonably convenient nearby wayshrines, and they spawn considerably more frequently.

To be honest? I think there just aren't enough wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr, and with all the chasms and cliffs, the place is an absolute nightmare to navigate around. There could do with being at least one other wayshrine on the southern edge near Merryvale Farms and Moon-Sugar Meadow house.

I initially had trouble with the 3 dragon grounds in N Elsweyr, but once I worked out the order in which the dragons visit them, it was easy enough, and I'm getting to each ground in time to join in killing the dragon at least 95% of the time.

FeedbackOnly

Absolutely not, we are getting pre made group finder later this year

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Quackery

jle30303 wrote: »

I would like to add the following observations:

Apart from the fact that the spawn time is a lot longer in Northern Elsweyr than in Southern Elsweyr, there is the issue of convenience: TWO of the Dragonscour spawning grounds are quite a considerable distance from wayshrines.

The northern one is right by the Star Haven wayshrine.

The southwestern one... A couple of the landing grounds are just about within striking distance of the SW wayshrine. Others, well, aren't, and getting there from The Stitches is really not very practical thanks to the fact of there being just so many chasms, bridges and forced detours.

And as for the southeastern one... Don't even think about getting there in time. Neither the Hakoshae nor Tenmar Temple wayshrines offer a good way up to it, proximity on the map doesn't mean a thing when there's no way up the cliff. If there's an event on, either you're there and camping it, or you miss it. You might JUST be able to get from one of its landing sites to the other, if it lands at a different one to the one you're at.

(Of course, things are slightly different if you own Moon-Sugar Meadow house and can use it as a teleport, right on the southern edge - and right by a pair of convenient routes up to *both* the southwestern and southeastern plateaus.)

Alternatively, when there *isn't* an event on, almost nobody bothers going to either of the southern dragons in Northern Elsweyr, only the northern one sees much action (I've seen it get killed, spawn and respawn three or four times while the southern ones were sitting on their plateaus untouched.) Which means that if the southern dragons HAVE spawned, and you go there, chances are you'll definitely get there in time to fight it, but you'll be alone when you do, and die horribly because for most players it takes a zerg to kill a dragon.

Whereas... in Southern Elsweyr, both dragons have reasonably convenient nearby wayshrines, and they spawn considerably more frequently.

To be honest? I think there just aren't enough wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr, and with all the chasms and cliffs, the place is an absolute nightmare to navigate around. There could do with being at least one other wayshrine on the southern edge near Merryvale Farms and Moon-Sugar Meadow house.

I was going to post about the wayshrine issue but you beat me to it. Yes, there should be more wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr because it's a royal pain to get around in the zone. At the very least 3 more wayshrines are needed. It's unreasonable to have us ride 5-10 minutes to get to the location we want at the center of Northern Elsweyr.

rpa

N elsweyr geometry is desiged to be inconvenient for some reason. People have been complaining about that as long as the zone has existed. Apparently wayshrines are so expensive its better to leave zone dead out of events than add some to center of map. (It's too late anyway. That kind of thing should be fixed in 2 weeks from zone dropping.)

Treeshka

Did not read everything but back in the day when Skyrim released, Harrowstorm quest was requiring three to be finished. They lowered it to one. Same should be for Elsweyr dragon hunting quests.

On the other hand you can get both Reach and Skyrim Harrowstorm quests and complete it with only one Harrowstorm since it counts for both regions. When it comes to Elsweyr dragons hunting quests, similar approach does not work.

rpa

Anyway if you already have not, get the Sugar Bowl Suite inn room. It will not get you any faster from wayshrine to N. Esweyr dragon but it get you faster to wayshrine after a kill for free because its at spitting distance of one. Fast travel outside of any home you own is free which is one of the best updates ever.

PunkAben

I find it more annoying that respwan time for boss is longer at event or not like other bosses.
At a event we should have normal spawn time!

Sarannah

Don't think the quest needs to be lowered to three, but there should be many more wayshrines in northern elsweyr as it is hard to navigate with all the cliffs. And northern elsweyr is very large, so for that reason alone it would need more wayshrines. At the very least there should be a wayshrine in the middle of each of the three dragon landing sites.

Due to being hard to navigate/travel through northern elsweyr I very much dislike the zone only for that reason. And only go there if I really have no other choice.

Snamyap

I like questing, and always try to get all the questing achievements for zones. One guess which is still not finished after almost four years. It's just so much hassle but I'll go ahead and drag myself through it this event. 18 more to go.

katanagirl1

I think the harrowstorm requirement was reduced because some harrowstorms would frequently get bugged in a state where they were still up but had no enemies, so they reduced the number required for the daily to 1.

Now that neither of these zones is highly populated, it might be time to lower the number of dragons as well. You can get 3 dragons fairly easily in SE Elsweyr but not in NE. Just to make it easier for non-events in the zone or to compare to Greymoor maybe the number should be lowered.

RevJJ

Quackery wrote: »

jle30303 wrote: »

I would like to add the following observations:

Apart from the fact that the spawn time is a lot longer in Northern Elsweyr than in Southern Elsweyr, there is the issue of convenience: TWO of the Dragonscour spawning grounds are quite a considerable distance from wayshrines.

The northern one is right by the Star Haven wayshrine.

The southwestern one... A couple of the landing grounds are just about within striking distance of the SW wayshrine. Others, well, aren't, and getting there from The Stitches is really not very practical thanks to the fact of there being just so many chasms, bridges and forced detours.

And as for the southeastern one... Don't even think about getting there in time. Neither the Hakoshae nor Tenmar Temple wayshrines offer a good way up to it, proximity on the map doesn't mean a thing when there's no way up the cliff. If there's an event on, either you're there and camping it, or you miss it. You might JUST be able to get from one of its landing sites to the other, if it lands at a different one to the one you're at.

(Of course, things are slightly different if you own Moon-Sugar Meadow house and can use it as a teleport, right on the southern edge - and right by a pair of convenient routes up to *both* the southwestern and southeastern plateaus.)

Alternatively, when there *isn't* an event on, almost nobody bothers going to either of the southern dragons in Northern Elsweyr, only the northern one sees much action (I've seen it get killed, spawn and respawn three or four times while the southern ones were sitting on their plateaus untouched.) Which means that if the southern dragons HAVE spawned, and you go there, chances are you'll definitely get there in time to fight it, but you'll be alone when you do, and die horribly because for most players it takes a zerg to kill a dragon.

Whereas... in Southern Elsweyr, both dragons have reasonably convenient nearby wayshrines, and they spawn considerably more frequently.

To be honest? I think there just aren't enough wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr, and with all the chasms and cliffs, the place is an absolute nightmare to navigate around. There could do with being at least one other wayshrine on the southern edge near Merryvale Farms and Moon-Sugar Meadow house.

I was going to post about the wayshrine issue but you beat me to it. Yes, there should be more wayshrines in Northern Elsweyr because it's a royal pain to get around in the zone. At the very least 3 more wayshrines are needed. It's unreasonable to have us ride 5-10 minutes to get to the location we want at the center of Northern Elsweyr.

Agree on the wayshrines! For reference, High Isle has 15 wayshrines. Blackwood has 12.

Galen, which is supposed to be a small island, has 7 - the same amount as Northern Elsweyr.

Dr_Con

I know i repeat this opinion but I don't entirely mind that there are few wayshrines in N. Elseweyr, however I do think that respawn points should be closer to dragon spawn areas so when people die to the dragons it isn't a long walk back. It's unfortunate that respawn points and wayshrines are one and the same in this respect.

In N. Elseweyr, the dragons always go to the same areas , whereas in S. Elseweyr they go to one of like 4 or 5 spots. One thing they could do is up the spawn rate in N. Elseweyr, especially for this event, however it just takes 5-10 minutes to do them all (depending on when they spawn and if you get 3 in a row or not).

Darkstorne

Yeah, this is good feedback.

I've found myself simply not doing these dailies for the exact reasons the OP mentions. Three is too many when there's no event since the zone is so quiet, and during an event they die before I reach them. I just pick the other daily options for this event and ignore the dragons entirely, which isn't a great sign.