If, IF all players would use Oakensoul 1 bar builds, how much would serverload and latency decrease?

hrothbern

And the subsequent questions are:
How would this compare to the upgrade of the server for PC EU ?

And IF in the same ballpark:
What percentage of players are NOW using Oakensoul ?

And IF not that high percentage:
Was Oakensoul nerfed too much ?!

EDIT: typo

robpr

Oakensoul was a mistake and shouldnt be in the game at all. Makes people extremely lazy. And before "you hate handicapped people!?", no, there are other ways to make game easier for them, like increasing dot timers, autoattacks or toggles, not just showing all possible buffs into an item so they can just press and hold one button for entire fight.

How would this compare to upgrade of the server?
Servers runs 24/7. Their hardware performance deteriorate by about 50% after 5 years. PC EU have almost 10y old hardware and there are a lot of fast ticks checks added to the game (Siphons, Pale Order, Mara's Balm heal, vat destro). Reducing amount of skill cast will do minimal in this case as shown on tests with aoe skill cooldowns we had before. The hardware can't keep up with all the new checks and inefficient codebase.

What percentage of players are NOW using Oakensoul?
From all 5 guilds I am in I know maybe 3 people that actively use it. Some people used it for a bit and went back to 2bar because how boring combat became.

Was Oakensoul nerfed too much?!
My opinion stays the same, shouldn't be in the game at all, but its current iteration is alright. Still should be banned from pvp.

robwolf666

I only use one-bar builds, the only exceptions are my vampire (who has all their vamp skills on the second bar) and my werewolf. And I do well enough in the game - so I don't see why people insist on needing two bars to be "good" at the game.

Jaimeh

I see your low expectations (which are justifiable, given the state of the game), and raise you: imagine having good server performance with everyone using zoo sorcs (god forbid, but wouldn't servers holding under such flappy wings pressure be the dream?)

Sarannah

The unnerfed Oakensoul was a godsend, and we should get many more items like it. I also feel Oakensoul was nerfed WAY too much. Oakensoul made one bar builds, which are the only thing I use, more durable(not stronger). And it made PvP more fun, as it was no longer about bursting players down in 0.2 secs.

Personally I do think using oakensoul takes off some of the serverload, as players don't use backbar buffs, timers, and bar-swapping. Should save about 20% of the calculations per player versus a player who is regular two bar/weaving, due to less calculations. In the grand scheme of things, this is probably not noticable, as for the server itself it is probably less than 0.0001% of a difference. (Most of the things the server is busy with, are not done by players: Spawning mobs, resetting instances, spawning containers, rolling loot, rolling amount of loot, etc)

As I am not really into mythic farming, I am only using oakensoul on two of my builds. My power stayed about the same, but I have more resources to play with. So yes, it was nerfed too much!

PS: Latency isn't a server thing, latency is about how fast/stable your connection to the server actually is.
PPS: Can't comment on the new EU servers, as they are not yet released/installed.

Mesite

I just started scrying again so don't have Oakensoul yet. But maybe next year. There is more chance of me getting Oakensoul than giving up my sorcerer pets.

Living_Tribunal

robpr wrote: »

Oakensoul was a mistake and shouldnt be in the game at all. Makes people extremely lazy.

Lazy?? It's a video game not a job. If people want to play ESO "lazy" let em. I like oakensoul because it makes my playing easier and bar swapping sucks. Plus with this my dps is way higher with much less effort. Give me lazy.

endgamesmug

I wanted to try out this one bar oakensoul with saergents & the set from tempest, ive heard it mentioned so much lately and Ninja seemed pretty happy about so i thought why not ay. Turns out it is quite amusing/fun after all, i cant even believe it to be honest😆. But y'know new experiences an all that 😀

Jeejee

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

BretonMage

robpr wrote: »

Oakensoul was a mistake and shouldnt be in the game at all. Makes people extremely lazy. And before "you hate handicapped people!?", no, there are other ways to make game easier for them, like increasing dot timers, autoattacks or toggles, not just showing all possible buffs into an item so they can just press and hold one button for entire fight.

Is Oakensoul only for HA builds? (Genuine qn).

I don't see how removing barswapping makes one extremely lazy. I mean, you're pressing 5 buttons instead of 10, it's not the hugest difference. Anyway, I would much rather do away with barswapping than increase DoT timers or *shudder* auto-attacks.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

Oakensoul should be 100% free for all players and should be in base game.

Many players can't make rotation
Many players don't care at all with rotation
Many players only wanna have some damage to make content
Many players have to buy Oakensoul
Many players are penalize by ZoS because they dont buy Oakensoul. No rotation, no Money, no damage.... penalized by ZoS.
You will never make HM, because you're not good enought and ZoS know that... Buy it or Forget it.

Snamyap

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

How, exactly, does it ruin the game for everyone else?

Dragonredux

BretonMage wrote: »

Is Oakensoul only for HA builds? (Genuine qn).

Well no, but ever since they put Empower on it and changed how Empower more people have been flocking towards it. My fear is ZoS will nerf HA sets or change Empower (again) because it's more getting more traction because Oakensoul makes it easier.

2 bar heavy attack build still outperforms oaken at least for me anyways.

Jeejee

Snamyap wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

How, exactly, does it ruin the game for everyone else?

It ruins the game if they start optimising the game for handicapped players who want weapon swapping removed, rotations removed, weaving removed, any requirements of effort removed and braindead simplified combat so the hardest content becomes ezmode and no vet hm is an achievement anymore

ice34697

Jeejee wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

How, exactly, does it ruin the game for everyone else?

It ruins the game if they start optimising the game for handicapped players who want weapon swapping removed, rotations removed, weaving removed, any requirements of effort removed and braindead simplified combat so the hardest content becomes ezmode and no vet hm is an achievement anymore

Oakensoul was already nerfed from having pretty much all MAJOR buffs to now mostly MINOR buffs. And the WHOLE purpose of the ring was to give players who either have issues with bar swapping or just can't seem to be able to tackle certain content an opportunity to succeed.

How about this; rather than complain that it's ruining the game, maybe appreciate that one measly item out of hundreds (or thousands) is giving SOME players opportunities that they wouldn't normally get, which in turn is helping them ENJOY the game THEIR way.

You play the game your way in your style, and yet you don't see me complaining about it...so just let me play the game my way in a way that makes the game enjoyable to me.

TaSheen

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

It's practically impossible for me to bar swap with constant 999+ ping. Also can't dodge roll. Lots of things aren't really workable with very high ping. Also no grouping - can you imagine any group putting up with a character with that amount of lag?

As long as I'm using Oakensoul only in my solo play, I can't see how it ruins the game for you.

Holycannoli

Probably not much.

I don't think latency issues are caused by bar swapping. Bar swapping is a symptom of latency, not a cause.

I think latency issues are caused by excessive DoTs + HoTs and the myriad of set bonuses that need to be constantly calculated and kept track of. It's why early on in the game with worse servers Cyrodiil still ran pretty well. We didn't have all these sets and abilities for the server to keep track of.

Zodiarkslayer

Well, playing 1bar doesn't change a bit. There will be lag regardless.

The only way to improve lag is to go into your fritzbox settings (or whatever device you use to connect with the internet) and select stability optimisation settings instead of performance settings. Just know that you trade bandwidth for latency.

However. There was once a theory, that less characters per account improves lag, too. It was observed by many players, especially among the endgame trials community.

But that theory was neither explained, nor could it be proven by experiment. And I know, because I participated in one trying to.

Dragkiris

TaSheen wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

It's practically impossible for me to bar swap with constant 999+ ping. Also can't dodge roll. Lots of things aren't really workable with very high ping. Also no grouping - can you imagine any group putting up with a character with that amount of lag?

As long as I'm using Oakensoul only in my solo play, I can't see how it ruins the game for you.

You dont have 999+ ping. If you did you wouldnt stay connected to the server. Players from Australia, New Zealand, and eastern Asia ping 250-350 to PCNA and have no issues bar swapping and doing the hardest content in the game (granted pvp can be an issue).

wolfie1.0.

One bar builds wouldn't change server load all that much even if done en mass. Mainly because it wouldn't reduce the number of calculations per second that needed to be done nor would it reduce the complexity of those calculations. To put it simply, Oakensoul won't fix server lag if it's the combat system as a whole causing lag. It would take something along the lines of instituting skill activation cool downs, or removing buffs/debuffs before you would probably see a performance boost.

Lumenn

Jeejee wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

How, exactly, does it ruin the game for everyone else?

It ruins the game if they start optimising the game for handicapped players who want weapon swapping removed, rotations removed, weaving removed, any requirements of effort removed and braindead simplified combat so the hardest content becomes ezmode and no vet hm is an achievement anymore

I've yet to see an oak build that does more dps than the "Uber rotation" builds that have perfect ping and work at it. If it helps some(especially those of us with physical issues) do more dmg then great, less crappy dps in pugs and the die hards still get to show off their shiny high numbers. Crab mentality doesn't help anyone, but I guess some people will complain about wheelchair ramps too.

TaSheen

*sigh* You're not sitting here at my computer, connected only by satellite.

At 4 am US MT it runs around 800 - but I'm old, I don't really like being up to play at 4 am.



Standing outside Vivec....

Turtle_Bot

ice34697 wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Snamyap wrote: »

Jeejee wrote: »

Weapon swap is literally 1 button. It blows my mind people have a problem with that. Why should less effort be rewarded with higher dps? It's just wrong in every way. Why should eso be optimised for handicapped people when it ruins the game for everyone else

How, exactly, does it ruin the game for everyone else?

It ruins the game if they start optimising the game for handicapped players who want weapon swapping removed, rotations removed, weaving removed, any requirements of effort removed and braindead simplified combat so the hardest content becomes ezmode and no vet hm is an achievement anymore

Oakensoul was already nerfed from having pretty much all MAJOR buffs to now mostly MINOR buffs. And the WHOLE purpose of the ring was to give players who either have issues with bar swapping or just can't seem to be able to tackle certain content an opportunity to succeed.

How about this; rather than complain that it's ruining the game, maybe appreciate that one measly item out of hundreds (or thousands) is giving SOME players opportunities that they wouldn't normally get, which in turn is helping them ENJOY the game THEIR way.

You play the game your way in your style, and yet you don't see me complaining about it...so just let me play the game my way in a way that makes the game enjoyable to me.

Oakensoul was fine for pve, but it was so overpowered for pvp that it warped the game around it. It wasn't just "giving some players opportunities that they normally wouldn't get", it was literally a case of you were forced to run the ring or you couldn't do anything in pvp.

I agree that it should have kept its power in pve, but it needed heavy nerfs for pvp and many suggestions were given to separate the buffs for pve and pvp so that it would remain a strong option for pve, but those suggestions were all either ignored, discarded or implemented in a different way. So, directing anger over the nerfs to oakensoul towards other players is the completely wrong place to direct it.

Just remember that zos has the final say over what gets implemented into the game, we the players have absolutely zero say over this. We can only provide feedback and suggestions and hope that they get listened to.

NordSwordnBoard

They realized they could make much more profit over buffing this thing and selling it to everyone as a "must-have" instead of selling a smaller number to people who really wanted such a thing. I wonder if Oakensoul was attached to a more profitable chapter would it have been better balanced for long term success?

Vulkunne

robpr wrote: »

Oakensoul was a mistake and shouldnt be in the game at all. Makes people extremely lazy. And before "you hate handicapped people!?", no, there are other ways to make game easier for them, like increasing dot timers, autoattacks or toggles, not just showing all possible buffs into an item so they can just press and hold one button for entire fight.

How would this compare to upgrade of the server?
Servers runs 24/7. Their hardware performance deteriorate by about 50% after 5 years. PC EU have almost 10y old hardware and there are a lot of fast ticks checks added to the game (Siphons, Pale Order, Mara's Balm heal, vat destro). Reducing amount of skill cast will do minimal in this case as shown on tests with aoe skill cooldowns we had before. The hardware can't keep up with all the new checks and inefficient codebase.

What percentage of players are NOW using Oakensoul?
From all 5 guilds I am in I know maybe 3 people that actively use it. Some people used it for a bit and went back to 2bar because how boring combat became.

Was Oakensoul nerfed too much?!
My opinion stays the same, shouldn't be in the game at all, but its current iteration is alright. Still should be banned from pvp.

Completely agree. There was no real vision for it other than to be massively over-powered and they just thru it out there to have fun

The problem with things like Oak is we saw how players desperately clung to it rather than suffering hard core like the rest of us and learning to build, learning to find your buffs thru skills or sets even, when appropriate.

They did everyone a favor at least by nerfing it to shake people loose and start thinking on their own again.

Necrotech_Master

if everyone was forced to use oakensoul, it would be impossible to clear cloudrest lol

Snamyap

Vulkunne wrote: »

robpr wrote: »

Oakensoul was a mistake and shouldnt be in the game at all. Makes people extremely lazy. And before "you hate handicapped people!?", no, there are other ways to make game easier for them, like increasing dot timers, autoattacks or toggles, not just showing all possible buffs into an item so they can just press and hold one button for entire fight.

How would this compare to upgrade of the server?
Servers runs 24/7. Their hardware performance deteriorate by about 50% after 5 years. PC EU have almost 10y old hardware and there are a lot of fast ticks checks added to the game (Siphons, Pale Order, Mara's Balm heal, vat destro). Reducing amount of skill cast will do minimal in this case as shown on tests with aoe skill cooldowns we had before. The hardware can't keep up with all the new checks and inefficient codebase.

What percentage of players are NOW using Oakensoul?
From all 5 guilds I am in I know maybe 3 people that actively use it. Some people used it for a bit and went back to 2bar because how boring combat became.

Was Oakensoul nerfed too much?!
My opinion stays the same, shouldn't be in the game at all, but its current iteration is alright. Still should be banned from pvp.

Completely agree. There was no real vision for it other than to be massively over-powered and they just thru it out there to have fun

The problem with things like Oak is we saw how players desperately clung to it rather than suffering hard core like the rest of us and learning to build, learning to find your buffs thru skills or sets even, when appropriate.

They did everyone a favor at least by nerfing it to shake people lose and start thinking on their own again.

We may have different motivations to play a game...

Cazador

Here's a hot take-
Items/sets being added to the game that help lower skilled/ less physically able people perform better are a good thing.

And to answer the original question o don't really think it would have much impact on server load whatsoever.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if everyone was forced to use oakensoul, it would be impossible to clear cloudrest lol

Why should be people be forced to use oakensoul?
Why should be people make perfect rotation?
Why should be many users, buy razor products just to use Razor Macros and make 130k?!
Noone forced you to nothing. You use what's best for your game play.

Why its ok people with Razor Macros do130k damage, but it's not ok allow players with oakensoul to have same damage?!

Why Macros are more important then who buy oakensoul ?!

jcaceresw

I used it for some days but resource management was a nightmare for me so I went back to my previous two bar build. I just got it because I was trying to clear most of the leads before U35 went live.

BlueRaven

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if everyone was forced to use oakensoul, it would be impossible to clear cloudrest lol

It's the only time I don't use it. I really love it for everything else.

On my main (For example) I want to play an archer.
Not an archer with two bows.
Not an archer that casts spells.

An archer like Legolas in LotR, that type of class fantasy. Oakensoul allows me to do that.

I love it.