Two Galen leads in treasure maps??

salander7

So, two leads so far drop in Galen zone Treasure Maps in Galen's antiquities. One of them is for the Eldertide Shoulders outfit style, the other one is Petrified Bark Tree Tablet, from the Barkroot Blessing Skin.

I understand the shoulders one. Not a motif in this zone, so I guess this is kind of the same vibe. Although I haven't got it myself, I guess they're not a style page or motif that you can buy, so it feels worse than a motif.
But the skin... it feels like a big [snip] you. You need farm all the 9 fragments in different bosses (some buggy ones included), nodes, dungeons, daily reward coffers (which feel awful, but I guess they force players to keep playing on a daily basis, so that works for you), only to find the remaining one has a chance of dropping in Treasure Map chests. And it can drop either the skin part, or the shoulders. Not that you can buy the lead directly anyone, so it comes to gambling 1-10M gold, or even more if your luck is bad. Prices will drop, but I doubt they'll go under 300k/each for a couple of months

Afaik, there is no way to farm Treasure Maps from a certain zone (which is also something that has been asked for years now). Personally I've spent quite some time on this DLC, getting all leads, farming vents mainly, and best I've got is 1 tresure map from Galen in 3 days of playing quite intensively.

This is terrible game design on a so obvious level that I can't believe this wasn't intended to *** off people. And the worse thing is you're not even making anything from it as a company. If you sold the maps in crown store, I would somehow understand, but not even that.

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MafiaCat115

Strongly agree. I hate when there are leads locked behind treasure chests since it is RNG at every step; getting a treasure map, it being for the right zone, and getting a lead from the chest. Add another chance if it is an Ancestral lead and hoping that it is the right page that you need.

I feel like this system needs to change. Maybe have it be any chest in the zone has a chance of giving the lead, but the treasure map chests are much more likely to give the lead.

RevJJ

The last fragment for the skin drops from Galen treasure maps?

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It seems like every update they are trying to outdo the previous one in terms of annoying places to get a lead. It honestly feels like they are trolling players sometimes.

It always reminds me of the Eddie Murphy sketch about the ice cream truck driving an extra block just to see how fast he could make the kids run.

tsaescishoeshiner

Is there a full motif that drops from leads in Galen treasure maps?

If not, I think the price will adjust way lower than the maps that drop motif leads.

MafiaCat115

RevJJ wrote: »

The last fragment for the skin drops from Galen treasure maps?

@RevJJ Yeah, the "Petrified Tree Bark Slab". If you're like me, you'll get anything but that lead in the chests Definitely agree that each patch seems to make getting antiquities more annoying. https://eso-hub.com/en/antiquities/leads/petrified-tree-bark-tablet

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Is there a full motif that drops from leads in Galen treasure maps?

If not, I think the price will adjust way lower than the maps that drop motif leads.

@tsaescishoeshiner No full motif, just the lead mentioned above and the Eldertide shoulder set, found here https://eso-hub.com/en/antiquities/leads/eldertide-shoulders I hope that you're right about the price falling lower than say The Deadlands or The Reach.

Djennku

Do we know if it's from just treasure map chests, or any chests in the zone?

MafiaCat115

Djennku wrote: »

Do we know if it's from just treasure map chests, or any chests in the zone?

@Djennku I'm fairly confident that it is treasure map chests. Yesterday a friend and I opened around 40-50 overworld chests ranging from Novice to Master, no leads for the Slab, nor the Eldertide Shoulders. Contrasted to the second map chest I opened giving me the Shoulders. I know RNG can be fickle, but I have not heard of either lead coming from an overworld chest.

SeaGtGruff

This is hardly the first time that an Antiquity lead has dropped from a treasure map.

I know I'm very different from most of the other players in this game, but I prefer to find leads whereever and whenever I find them, without knowing ahead if time which leads are in which zones and what activities they drop from. It's a lot more fun that way. I don't get why players complain about how grindy the game is, but then spend so much time grinding for things they feel must be obtained as soon as possible. You can choose to play that way, or you can choose to not play that way.

TaSheen

I'm feeling as if the devs have gone all "OMG they've all got the latest and greatest mythic" only a couple of days in. So they've started making some of the leads so difficult to get everyone'feeling like it isn't ever going to happen. Eh, between the crab boss and the High Isle vents, I'm sort of leaning that way myself when it comes to Oakensoul. And I still have one to get on my third account EU main when she gets to CP 160 (not all that soon at this point).

So the "triple overhead of RNG" for this makes a strange kind of sense to me (not fun, not cool, but not exactly unexpected).

salander7

Petrified Tree Bark Tablet

RevJJ wrote: »

The last fragment for the skin drops from Galen treasure maps?

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It seems like every update they are trying to outdo the previous one in terms of annoying places to get a lead. It honestly feels like they are trolling players sometimes.

It always reminds me of the Eddie Murphy sketch about the ice cream truck driving an extra block just to see how fast he could make the kids run.

Petrified Tree Bark Tablet drops from the Galen Treasure chests. A friend spent 8M on maps, around 1M each. Once the source is well known, and given the demand, I wouldn't be surprised if the map price skyrockets, because there is not enough possible supply for the demand it has/will have, at least for months.

I can't understand how they don't consider the "supply" for a lead drop as a factor upon deciding the source

salander7

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

This is hardly the first time that an Antiquity lead has dropped from a treasure map.

I know I'm very different from most of the other players in this game, but I prefer to find leads whereever and whenever I find them, without knowing ahead if time which leads are in which zones and what activities they drop from. It's a lot more fun that way. I don't get why players complain about how grindy the game is, but then spend so much time grinding for things they feel must be obtained as soon as possible. You can choose to play that way, or you can choose to not play that way.

It is the first time one lead required for a 10 part antiquity drops from treasure maps. And maybe I'm wrong but I'd say no other lead drops exclusively from treasure maps, beside the motifs. And those are tradeable.
The main difference is that it went from paying gold to take away the RNG to paying gold just to get a RNG chance. And that the other 9 pieces are a waste of time if you're not buying the maps.

I'm not sure how expensive blackwood or deadlands maps were upon release, but I don't think they were over 1M gold as Galen ones are. And if I had to guess, I'd say they'll go up in price.

It is great that you enjoy finding things whenever and all, but it's a lot more fun that way for you. As you said, you're probably very different. I think a big part of the community likes to set goals to themselves, and prog towards them. And while you could find the leads whenever, enjoying that, if they put this lead somewhere more logical or available, a big part of the community may not enjoy having to pay 10M over chances for a lead, specially when demand is higher than offer, or people not being able to spend 10M in maps.
So as you can choose to play your way, you could choose not to. But no one is telling you to do so, so please, refrain from doing so if it's the best thing you can add.

CGPsaint

Having leads drop from zone specific treasure maps is just downright lazy, and poorly thought out, and is one of the reasons why players doubt that the devs actually play their own game. There's nothing fun about not being able to obtain a lead because there's no way to farm specific treasure maps, followed by a minuscule chance to get a lead, followed by a minuscule chance for the lead to be the lead that you're looking for. I feel like they were trying to make treasure maps more relevant and leaned a bit too hard into that endeavor...

RevJJ

CGPsaint wrote: »

Having leads drop from zone specific treasure maps is just downright lazy, and poorly thought out, and is one of the reasons why players doubt that the devs actually play their own game. There's nothing fun about not being able to obtain a lead because there's no way to farm specific treasure maps, followed by a minuscule chance to get a lead, followed by a minuscule chance for the lead to be the lead that you're looking for. I feel like they were trying to make treasure maps more relevant and leaned a bit too hard into that endeavor...

I’ve collected 9/10 leads for the skin. Knowing now that the last one drops from a Galen treasure map makes me regret putting any effort into the other ones because I won’t play treasure map lottery to get the last one. Nice job ZOS.

Tenthirty2

Good gods, Galen treasure maps are going to be selling for hundreds of thousands on traders >.<

TBH I'm not that upset bcuz seeing the skin I think it's... rather ugly?
Like not at all motivated to go after it, so I'm grateful it's one thing I can cross off the list.

It does suck for those that do want it tho. Chests are already a bit of trouble to come by. And in a zone that small with so many ppl trying to farm chests? Pfft, no thanks.

Dragonredux

Huh figured it was just usual new content fare on why the price was so high. Didn't know it was connected to a skin. Might use it on my Warden tank provided I don't get screwed by RNG. Certainly won't be farming this, I'll save my sanity.

SeaGtGruff

salander7 wrote: »

So as you can choose to play your way, you could choose not to. But no one is telling you to do so, so please, refrain from doing so if it's the best thing you can add.

Nowhere in my comment did I tell anyone what to do or not do, so I don't know what you're asking me to refrain from doing-- unless you mean refrain from pointing out that you have a choice?

If you're happy with the consequences of your choices in the game-- in this case, being stressed out and upset, spending millions of gold on treasure maps for a specific zone, etc.-- then that's what matters.

But if you are unhappy, then you might consider making different choices.

And yes, that's the best thing I can add to the discussion, and I think it's a pretty reasonable contribution.

Cazador

Honestly I can tolerate this one since it's not a full motif relying on treasure map rng.

MasterSpatula

It has been repeated pointed out to them since the Ancestral Reach motif came out that putting leads in zone treasure maps is outrageous and cruel game design, yet they continue.

But at least it sounds like there's only one this time, not 14 that drop completely randomly. Less bad is still bad, though.

Katheriah

Tenthirty2 wrote: »

Good gods, Galen treasure maps are going to be selling for hundreds of thousands on traders >.<

I sold one for 750k in minutes. Not complaining.

agelonestar

Yeah, I was farming the Galen leads until I realised where some of them drop. Treasure Map Chests, plus Wayrest Sewers 2. I just don’t get it.

Medicate

MasterSpatula wrote: »

It has been repeated pointed out to them since the Ancestral Reach motif came out that putting leads in zone treasure maps is outrageous and cruel game design, yet they continue.

But at least it sounds like there's only one this time, not 14 that drop completely randomly. Less bad is still bad, though.

there are even 3 leads in the treasure map chest by now and i dont get it anymore. We know zos is pretty lame with the leads, but put them behind this insane rng is really hardcore ***.
there is no way to grind it and its really frustrating to see the same bad design choices over and over again

salander7

MasterSpatula wrote: »

It has been repeated pointed out to them since the Ancestral Reach motif came out that putting leads in zone treasure maps is outrageous and cruel game design, yet they continue.

But at least it sounds like there's only one this time, not 14 that drop completely randomly. Less bad is still bad, though.

Cazador wrote: »

Honestly I can tolerate this one since it's not a full motif relying on treasure map rng.

Imo, the style page is alright, it's basically as another motif, you can buy and sell the pages straight, so idk, okay on that.

The worse part for me is the skin, and the fact that you need another 9 pieces that are worthless without the map lead, which means either being incredibly lucky twice (first finding a map, second getting lead on first try), or spending big amounts of gold just for a chance of getting the skin lead lead.

Motifs are separate chapters, and can be sold/bought straight. In this case, you can't buy it straight, because you can't buy the lead, or skin.
In motifs, you can buy the chapter you want, no RNG involved. Here you may need to pay 1M, 30M or god knows how much, depending on your RNG.

barney2525

I have 2 Galen maps I haven't done anything with since I haven't been to Galen yet and they don't show a TTC price, so I didn't think I could sell them.

flizomica

So.. are there any ways at all to farm Galen maps, or at least have a higher chance of getting them? The last lead I need for the skin is from the maps.

MasterSpatula

salander7 wrote: »

Motifs are separate chapters, and can be sold/bought straight. In this case, you can't buy it straight, because you can't buy the lead, or skin.
In motifs, you can buy the chapter you want, no RNG involved. Here you may need to pay 1M, 30M or god knows how much, depending on your RNG.

Not if you actually care about codex entries, and plenty do.

Treeshka

I once bought more than hundred High Isle Treasure maps for entire fourteen codex entries for motifs. Putting leads into these creating pressure points in game if you ask me. Like how many people are actually happy to pay a million gold to a treasure map and on top of that it is not guaranteed that you will get a lead. I would personally pay though if it is guaranteed chance.

Hapexamendios

There should be a one lead per zone limit on leads from treasure maps imo.

Neriala

Just bought "for fun" a treasure map for Galen for 750,000g; inside the chest was nothing good. RNG was not with me.
So ZOS you really should rethink about this...the possibility to get an antiquity should be there for all...with prices atm around 1,000,000g for one map only the richest one could afford this and even the richest one will not buy several maps just to find trash inside, if it would be a guaranteed drop it might be ok, to get it, complete it and forget about it. But the situation is far away from it.
And the best thing is that 2 different leads are available from treasure map chests...pls ZOS rethink..increase the drop rate of the treasure maps or put the leads somewhere else, there are so many places where you could hide it, so everyone who wants this leads will get it without getting headache cause of frustration and reaching a state of poorness. Thank you.

ApoAlaia

I'm trying to see the silver lining in the fact that we don't have a full motif to 'unearth' this time like with The Deadlands.

Ancient Daedric goes fantastic with the theme, it truly is an abomination.

Snamyap

ApoAlaia wrote: »

I'm trying to see the silver lining in the fact that we don't have a full motif to 'unearth' this time like with The Deadlands.

Ancient Daedric goes fantastic with the theme, it truly is an abomination.

Got an ancient daedra maces motif this morning. TTC has it around 500k for PC/EU. Pondering whether to use or sell atm. Don't really need the money, but I'm probably never going to complete that book either. Silliness.

TheOriginalMrT

flizomica wrote: »

So.. are there any ways at all to farm Galen maps, or at least have a higher chance of getting them? The last lead I need for the skin is from the maps.

i've heard some say they drop from dragon events in bags. might be easier to farm them instead. havent tested it myself though.