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Why wasn't Piercing Javelin spear animation changed same time Puncturing Strikes animation changed?

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SaffronCitrusflower
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In my mind it doesn't make sense to change the animation for puncturing strikes without also making the same animation change to piercing javelin. For both skills it's the templar using their class specific spear, just in a different way. So why didn't they also make piercing javelin a thrown version of a nighthollow stave as well?

I'm not saying they should change the animation for piercing javelin, that would be just as horrible as the change to puncturing strikes. It's just that both these templar skills use the same spear just in a different way. So why change the templar class identifying spear in one situation but not the other? Piercing javelin is just the thrown version of the same spear as is used for puncturing strikes....or at least it should be.

They really just need to change the puncturing strikes animation back to the original templar spear as opposed to the nighthollow stave flailing around, and just change the timing of it.

I just can't get over the idea that templars are now using a glowing version of a nighthollow stave as a spear for one of their class identifying skill animations. Why? Just why? The change doesn't even fit with the other class identifying skill animations now.
Edited by SaffronCitrusflower on September 23, 2022 7:14PM
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    Shhh...don't give them ideas.
  • Four_Fingers
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    Please no.
  • danno8
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    The new Piercing Javelin:

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  • SaffronCitrusflower
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    danno8 wrote: »
    The new Piercing Javelin:

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    LOL, yep, if they were being consistent, that's about what the animation for blazing spear would look like.

    The point was that the animation change to jabs doesn't respect the class identifying spear animation that has always been exclusive to Templars. Templars had their own magical spear. And now they have a nighthollow stave for jabs but still have their class identifying spear for piercing javelin.

    The change they made isn't even consistent within the class.

    They really, really need to change the jabs animation back to what it was and just change the timing.

    As it is now it makes it look like zos is just kinda flailing around and making random changes with no direction or familiarity with their own games class identity. ...kinda like what it looks like when you use jabs now.
  • xthrshx
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    My guess is this question will never be addressed, the animations will not be made consistent, and jabs will never look good again.
  • Baconlad
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    I havnt used sweeps since summerset so these changes don't bother me too much XD.

    Now if they do change javelin and blazing spear to this...I might be upset
  • Aardappelboom
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    I don't play Templar but since it's TES and lore and roleplaying is such a big deal, I agree that it's a shame the skills don't have any consistency within their class skill set.

    I think the skill animations in general are often not up to par with other animations in the game. I was really excited when they said they changed a few animations but the results are so lackluster and feel kind of lazy.

    If I look at my skill set and then take a stroll around the beaches of High Isle and see those sea creatures jumping out of the water, I really can't help but think they could do a lot better than what they did with jabs and rapid strikes.
  • UnabashedlyHonest
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    SizanLopkniht wrote: »
    In my mind it doesn't make sense to change the animation for puncturing strikes without also making the same animation change to piercing javelin. For both skills it's the templar using their class specific spear, just in a different way. So why didn't they also make piercing javelin a thrown version of a nighthollow stave as well?

    I'm not saying they should change the animation for piercing javelin, that would be just as horrible as the change to puncturing strikes. It's just that both these templar skills use the same spear just in a different way. So why change the templar class identifying spear in one situation but not the other? Piercing javelin is just the thrown version of the same spear as is used for puncturing strikes....or at least it should be.

    They really just need to change the puncturing strikes animation back to the original templar spear as opposed to the nighthollow stave flailing around, and just change the timing of it.

    I just can't get over the idea that templars are now using a glowing version of a nighthollow stave as a spear for one of their class identifying skill animations. Why? Just why? The change doesn't even fit with the other class identifying skill animations now.

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    Please guys, consider reverting the animation change made to jabs, and just adjust the timing of the jabs. At least think about how the templar class identity was perverted by using a nighthollow stave as a templar spear.
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    UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »
    SizanLopkniht wrote: »
    In my mind it doesn't make sense to change the animation for puncturing strikes without also making the same animation change to piercing javelin. For both skills it's the templar using their class specific spear, just in a different way. So why didn't they also make piercing javelin a thrown version of a nighthollow stave as well?

    I'm not saying they should change the animation for piercing javelin, that would be just as horrible as the change to puncturing strikes. It's just that both these templar skills use the same spear just in a different way. So why change the templar class identifying spear in one situation but not the other? Piercing javelin is just the thrown version of the same spear as is used for puncturing strikes....or at least it should be.

    They really just need to change the puncturing strikes animation back to the original templar spear as opposed to the nighthollow stave flailing around, and just change the timing of it.

    I just can't get over the idea that templars are now using a glowing version of a nighthollow stave as a spear for one of their class identifying skill animations. Why? Just why? The change doesn't even fit with the other class identifying skill animations now.

    @ZOS_Kevin

    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    @ZOS_RichLambert

    Please guys, consider reverting the animation change made to jabs, and just adjust the timing of the jabs. At least think about how the templar class identity was perverted by using a nighthollow stave as a templar spear.

    Agreed
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  • Ariordin
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    I have been saying the exact same thing as OP since U35 hit Beta.

    WHY have they broken the Aedric skill line visual appeal? It makes no sense....

    Jabs, Javelin, and Shards all share(d) a matching animation style, giving the templar a very cool identiy of having a 'third' holy weapon with the skill line. It was my favorite thing about templars...

    The new animation stands out like a sore thumb. Please either

    A) Match all three skills with a new 'templarish' animation (not one using a necro staff)
    b) Revert Jabs to its former glory.

    Play around with the stats and timing all you like... but keep them visually in sync!
  • Thecompton73
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    How they ever spent time and money needlessly changing animations when the stuck in combat bug is still a thing after YEARS of being broke is what really blows my mind.
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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    I don't mind the change, though it would be nice if we could pick what weapon model we wanted to use, I like to use the Imperial Champion staff model.

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    Edited by phaneub17_ESO on September 26, 2022 7:42AM
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    It’s pretty funny that countless players instantly chose the Imperial Champion staff as the most holy spearlike motif, but the best ZOS could come up with was some vampire necromancer garbage.
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    Yeah, javelin remaining the same, Isobel having the old animation, guards having old skills, vampiric motif chosen for a Templar class, all of this gives me a sloppy vibe from the dev team, ngl.
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  • shinry
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    At this point do you guys think anyone with sway at ZOS will listen to the majority opinion of the templar playerbase and consider pushing to revert or adjust jabs after U35?
  • SaffronCitrusflower
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    shinry wrote: »
    At this point do you guys think anyone with sway at ZOS will listen to the majority opinion of the templar playerbase and consider pushing to revert or adjust jabs after U35?

    well, if you have to ask....

    Still, I felt it was worth the effort to at least make the case. I don't think ZOS listens to it's customers since years now. But there is a really solid case for reverting the jabs animation to something that makes sense, so I did my best to present that case even though I'm highly confident it will fall on deaf ears.
  • SaffronCitrusflower
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    Oakenaxe wrote: »
    Yeah, javelin remaining the same, Isobel having the old animation, guards having old skills, vampiric motif chosen for a Templar class, all of this gives me a sloppy vibe from the dev team, ngl.

    This kind of disconnect makes it seem like there is a lot of employee turnover going on at ZOS and the new people don't have any idea what the previous people doing their jobs were thinking or trying to achieve.
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    psst, olorime still uses the old templar jabs on the shade of z'maja

    I mean- uh, they're completely unique to that character. Welkynar Jabs.
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  • UnabashedlyHonest
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    I tagged kevin and the mods in this thread hoping for a reply. Hoping that they would at least acknowledge how they didn't stick with the class specific spear animation for templars when they made the change to jabs. Reverting the animation to at least give templars back their class identity spear animation would be easy and very sensible. I'm just talking about reverting the animation, not the timing or the damage or anything else. Just saying that all templar spears should have the same base animation.
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