Week 1: What is the WORST monster helm set bonus?

Dr_Con

As stated in the hall of fame topic, I will also be doing the worst monster helm/shoulder set bonus. Keep in mind this is the first and second bonus being collectively the worst.

IF you do not have a forum account, but still wish to participate and have an in-game account, you may mail your submissions/ideas to me at @Dr_Con on PC/NA and I will post the mail on your behalf for people with active forum accounts to vote. No forum account = no vote.

I will post all set suggestions in a follow-up topic on 9/16/22-9/17/22.

if your submission is not included in the poll of the following topic due to the forum limit of 10, people will still be allowed to write in their vote and it will be in the honorable mentions section. I am trying to not exclude anyone from participating

Winning sets from < this topic > are not eligible for entry unless the sets are reworked

The community will vote on what they think the worst set bonus is over the weekend of 9/16, and I will publish the results at my earliest convenience.

Rules:

• To enter you need only post a screenshot or a link to the current set's values from eso-sets.com or eso-hub.com (I am not requiring others to go to external websites, but I leave it here as an option for those who decide to use links rather than the easy to use screenshot feature) or mail me in-game your idea and I will post your idea on your behalf. I reserve the right to edit the set suggestions if they are out of date at my own discretion without notice so the values reflect current 160 CP values.
• 1 submission per person per week
• The first person to post the set gets credit for posting it, if you mail me in-game with your submission but someone posted it first, I have to go with the person who posted it on the forum first.
• Each post should either be in support or disapproval for either the topic or another submission (but do not target the users please!)
• If you want to add to the prize pool you may do so at your own volition
• The winning person must designate a recipient (with the @) for the prize money, which will be in gold. It does not have to be your own account
• You can ask friends to vote for your idea in the following topic, but in the spirit of the purpose of this topic I encourage all people to vote based on the best choice of what they think the worst set is as of that moment so they can be featured in the topic where I track all the winners from each week.

(this is not sponsored by Zenimax and the reward money will come from me, @Dr_Con)

EF321

You can close this thread already:

Kirawolfe

"I swear to God I'll pistol whip the next guy who says 'Flesh Fortress.'"

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

Troll King



Cons

• 925 health recovery = 462.5 health/s is an extremely weak heal in PvE
• 925 health recovery * 0.5 Battle Spirit = 462.5 health recovery = 231.25 health/s is an extremely weak heal in PvP
• Only procs < 50% target health
• The 1pc bonus is better than the 2pc

Necrotech_Master

EF321 wrote: »

You can close this thread already:

hey this would actually work good for those NB tanks that cant move due to dark cloak change

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

You can close this thread already:

hey this would actually work good for those NB tanks that cant move due to dark cloak change

Decent set for troll tanks in PvP that don't need to use Chudan for bar space. Lord Warden still better imo.

Gaebriel0410

For me it's Kra'gh without a doubt, though my nomination is probably fairly unusual since it's not because of its stats.

My problem with the set is that I think it looks absolutely hideous and a character randomly spawning magic dreugh limbs thematically makes no sense in the setting. I wouldn't use it even if I were paid for doing so.

I had a similar problem with many of the early monster sets, since most of them had "edgy / dark" effects. Lich crystals, daedra summons, poison, bile, blood, skeleton transformations, etc. Same with the undaunted skill line tbh.

And while on one hand I like a good 2pc set for my char builds, on the other hand I also want to stick to a certain theme with my characters. Which meant it heavily restricted my choice of monster sets, since (I assume like most players) I have more "good" characters than "evil" ones.

So I am really really glad that nowadays they've introduced a lot of monster sets that have more neutral visuals for their effects.

Aelorin

Infernal Guardian.
Does anybody use this one ?

https://eso-sets.com/set/infernal-guardian

vgabor

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Troll King



Cons

• 925 health recovery = 462.5 health/s is an extremely weak heal in PvE
• 925 health recovery * 0.5 Battle Spirit = 462.5 health recovery = 231.25 health/s is an extremely weak heal in PvP
• Only procs < 50% target health
• The 1pc bonus is better than the 2pc

This one is actually quite useful for healers in very specific situations in vet hm trials where you as healer has to outheal heavy healing debuff, like vSS hm ice cage healer or in vCR+3 for the execute baneful mark. (ie: the healing debuff on someone reduce your healing but not the health recovery and an example in vSS hm ice cage with the 90% healing debuff the troll king boosted health recovery actually heals more than a tick from your heal over time)

Oreyn_Bearclaw

With most DOTS ticking every other second now, I think Skoria at least needs to be in the conversation, LOL.

Holycannoli

Nazaray https://eso-sets.com/set/nazaray

Snamyap

Gaebriel0410 wrote: »

, since (I assume like most players) I have more "good" characters than "evil" ones.

Oh, sweet summer child. 🦹

Necrotech_Master

Holycannoli wrote: »

Nazaray https://eso-sets.com/set/nazaray

nazaray is like a staple of most good tank builds, especially when combined with turning tide for a very long duration major vulnerability lol

proc turning tide, war horn, and boom everyone has a huge dmg boost lol

so there are way way worse monster sets than nazaray lol

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Aelorin wrote: »

Infernal Guardian.
Does anybody use this one ?

https://eso-sets.com/set/infernal-guardian

We did back when the fireballs would go through walls in Cyro...

Necrotech_Master

Aelorin wrote: »

Infernal Guardian.
Does anybody use this one ?

https://eso-sets.com/set/infernal-guardian

with the dmg being reduced on it, its slightly less useful, and im not sure if the "procs cant proc procs" rule reduced what could proc it

hardening enchants and other gear sets which applied dmg shields (hatchling shell) used to proc it too, but i havent tested this in a long while, at least since the proc scaling changes

Tannus15

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Aelorin wrote: »

Infernal Guardian.
Does anybody use this one ?

https://eso-sets.com/set/infernal-guardian

We did back when the fireballs would go through walls in Cyro...

it also used to proc on the shield weapon enchant

EF321

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

With most DOTS ticking every other second now, I think Skoria at least needs to be in the conversation, LOL.

Nothing changed regarding dot ticks:
Target based refers to abilities that stick to a target, such as Fiery Breath or Blade Cloak.
These abilities continue to tick once every 2 seconds.

Static based refers to abilities that are locked to an area after casting, such as Spear Shards or Volley.
These abilities continue to tick once every second.

YandereGirlfriend

EF321 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

With most DOTS ticking every other second now, I think Skoria at least needs to be in the conversation, LOL.

Nothing changed regarding dot ticks:
Target based refers to abilities that stick to a target, such as Fiery Breath or Blade Cloak.
These abilities continue to tick once every 2 seconds.

Static based refers to abilities that are locked to an area after casting, such as Spear Shards or Volley.
These abilities continue to tick once every second.

There are some exceptions: Hurricane and Arctic Blast (and maybe Solar Barrage) were nerfed in the last patch to tick every-other second (joining Blade Cloak, which was nerfed in an earlier patch).

IsharaMeradin

Tremorscale doesn't make sense to me. https://eso-sets.com/set/tremorscale
Just read the description, use a taunt and send out a duneripper to do zero damage and reduce their armor by zero.

It might scale with certain stats but even in game when it should be reading your stats, the tooltip still says zero. At least it does in the sticker book which is the only place I have in-game access to look at it.

So yeah, on the surface, why bother with it...

kevkj

Chokethorn but worse because it's a static AOE heal that is insignificant for PVE and useless in PVP while Chokethorn gives a decent single target heal for PVP.

kringled_1

Thats just a tooltip bug. On my DK tank, purple pieces, I am currently getting tooltips of 4590 damage and 1744 armor reduction. Whether or not that's better than something else is certainly up for debate, but it's not 0.

festegios

IsharaMeradin wrote: »

Tremorscale doesn't make sense to me. https://eso-sets.com/set/tremorscale
Just read the description, use a taunt and send out a duneripper to do zero damage and reduce their armor by zero.

It might scale with certain stats but even in game when it should be reading your stats, the tooltip still says zero. At least it does in the sticker book which is the only place I have in-game access to look at it.

So yeah, on the surface, why bother with it...

Unequiped it says zero.
Equip it and you get the numbers

IsharaMeradin

@festegios Thanks for that. Still if one were looking at the sets to decide on a build they would just see the zeros. It is poor design at least as far as the tooltip goes and for that alone it still gets my vote as one of the worst sets if not the worst. One should not need to equip to see the correct stats for their character.

festegios

IsharaMeradin wrote: »

@festegios Thanks for that. Still if one were looking at the sets to decide on a build they would just see the zeros. It is poor design at least as far as the tooltip goes and for that alone it still gets my vote as one of the worst sets if not the worst. One should not need to equip to see the correct stats for their character.

I can see your argument there, however it’s a solid monster helm when it comes to its actual use so have to firmly disagree with it being one of the worst etc.

For tanks it’s not a ‘god tier’ set, but certainly high up in the rankings.

Tbh, if they tried to fix the value to display for you without equipping they would no doubt cause it to bug completely.

The way they have done mora whisper mythic is best: set says does x to a max value of y, and at the bottom, current value: z far easier to understand.

mocap

i don't think there are bad ms. All of them are useful in some cases.

Personaly i extra don't like Maw of the Infernal when i play tank, but it doesn't mean this set is bad from DD perspective.

upd: some updates ago, Domihaus was worst due to wierd ring damage mechanic. Players called this set "best 1pc set, worst 2pc set"

Jaraal

Shadowrend used to be a decent set, until they nerfed his damage and made him hit like a wet noodle, and when he applied a unique damage debuff. They gave him two seconds of easily obtainable Minor Maim instead. Basically destroyed the set. I never see anyone running it now, and it's a shame, because his visual is one of the coolest in the game.

https://eso-sets.com/set/shadowrend

Dragonredux

I remember when this set got double nerfed via damage and uptime. Now it's even worse considering the buff/debuff changes bringing down Minor Maim and Minor Defile. I think what really brings it down is that it comes from a DLC dungeon that I think people still struggle with (Fang Lair).

Jman100582

Grundwulf gives less resource recovery off the proc than just running 1 baron thirsk 1 magma incarnate

AvalonRanger

We have many of way to get self healing or "major brutality".
it is meaningless to increase just damage or healing factor from 2 piece of monster set.
It's wasting for equipment slot. Mythic gear is way to good now.

I use only monster shoulder for buffing up some combat resource.

festegios

AvalonRanger wrote: »

We have many of way to get self healing or "major brutality".
it is meaningless to increase just damage or healing factor from 2 piece of monster set.
It's wasting for equipment slot. Mythic gear is way to good now.

I use only monster shoulder for buffing up some combat resource.

A lot of builds are using monster and a mythic now.

Dr_Con

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

With most DOTS ticking every other second now, I think Skoria at least needs to be in the conversation, LOL.

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
will happily add it- please submit a link or screenshot as per the contest rules.

IsharaMeradin wrote: »

@festegios Thanks for that. Still if one were looking at the sets to decide on a build they would just see the zeros. It is poor design at least as far as the tooltip goes and for that alone it still gets my vote as one of the worst sets if not the worst. One should not need to equip to see the correct stats for their character.

@IsharaMeradin
do you want me to add tremorscale as a nomination still?

Jman100582 wrote: »

Grundwulf gives less resource recovery off the proc than just running 1 baron thirsk 1 magma incarnate

@Jman100582
if you'd like me to add this please submit a screenshot or a link from one of the websites provided