A fan of templar and the impact of U35

LordRukia

I only play my templar as healer for veteran challenge modes so while I knew it was bad change, I never used jabs anyway so it doesn't really affect me. I gotta say after testing jabs out last night just out of curiosity, this skill needs nothing short of a complete revert to its original form. It is literal garbage, both in damage and animation. Its actually MORE spammy now than it has ever been and hits like a wet noodle. I really emphasize with anyone who ever used this skill.

As a nightblade whose bane of existence was braindead jab spamming lolplars, bring that skill back.

eovogtb16_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Serious question for people that hate the new jabs, no judging, just curious? Did you LA weave the skill previously? What kind of pace where you capable of for a Dummy parse?

Now, they might have taken a bit too much off the damage, jury is still out on that, but it is a drastic improvement to be able to weave a templars main spammable within the GCD and not lose pace on your rotation.

I had zero issues with weaving jabs before and parsed 120k+, but now there isnt really a point to even slotting the skill when shard spam does more damage and hits more enemies.

endgamesmug

I just mothballed i seemingly crutched on templar, for whatever reason it just doesn't interest me anymore. Loving getting back into nightblade after a few years, the old muscle memory for that is coming back its great.

Ariordin

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

Very little hope is warranted if past is prologue. Fixing this mistake would be admitting the animation change was a mistake. ZOS very, very rarely admits it when they make a mistake.

Yeah this is my fear. I'm trying to provide the Dev's an 'out' by suggesting they can 'update the Aedric skill line abilities'. something to save face but also get us away from this monstrosity of an animation.

MidniteOwl1913

My templar is mostly a healer. I pugged tonight for the first time with U35 dreading the healing nerf, but I landed in one of the easy base-game dungeons. So keeping an eye on the health bars I switch to doing a bit of DPS. Wow! The new jabs are truly terrible! Wet noodle, yup you weren't kidding! I can't even believe how bad it is. What on earth were the devs thinking???

I don't like the animation, but in the end, I don't really care that much about the look. The total loss of function is another matter entirely...

Ttree

OP

What ever you fell in love with, is sadly now gone

Crom_CCCXVI

Templar, DK, NB, Sorc... what is the difference at this point?

Most of the skills that gave these classes any identity are nerfed to worthlessness

virtus753

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Changing the channel time is one thing, but the 20% damage reduction to sweeps was completely unnecessary. Ive spent the 7 years i have played this game mostly praising the devs or giving them the benefit of doubt on these patch notes. The only thing i can remember disagreeing with was the racial passive balancing they did a while back. But this is unjustifiable. A 20% damage nerf to sweeps!? Are you kidding me? I hope the devs at the very least next patch revert the damage nerf on sweeps they implemented.

They nerfed the damage by 21% per hit but also removed one of the four hits per cast. The overall damage loss is a lot greater than 20%, especially for people who could already weave jabs/sweeps with a minimal delay.

Combine that with the 67%+ nerf to Burning Light, as well as the changes to Ritual that they acknowledged were problematic but still have not reverted, and they absolutely gutted templars.

They tried to make up for it with extra damage on the execute. Good luck getting to execute range in a reasonable timeframe without a group, or sustaining that on a stamplar.

nb_rich

(I'm a Veteran PvE player, my comments have nothing to do with PvP)

I feel ya’ll about the templars now. I finally got to experience u35 since I'm playing in playstation and i literally got on as soon as the update was completed, did my random daily and logged off. Haven't been on since lol. I know its not going to be forever and im not one of those people thats going to say im leaving forever or this game is bad, but I can’t get on with my stamplar like this lol. Im scared to hit the trial dummy to see how bad it really got.

First off jabs got so much weaker lol. My jabs be doing no damage anymore but the reason I made a templar was cause I like jabs so I refuse to change it to anything else. To me it feels like jabs/sweeps is what makes a templar and has always been that way so removing that as an option just destroys the whole templar identity. In my opinion for u36 they should make jabs/sweeps stronger then what it was pre patch to make up for the time we have been weak. Then in U37 just put it back to normal (if they want)

Secondly its not even just jabs/sweeps its my whole rotation lol. Some of my skills like barbed trap (i know this is a fighters guild ability but most templars use it) and ritual of retribution got extender timers. This messes up our whole rotations and the skills are so much weaker. For one i sometimes recast a skill early cause my fingers are used to pressing buttons at certain times which doesn’t fix the sustain problem while also getting a huge dps loss as the dps of the extended abilities were lowered to make up for the longer durations. Even if I wait out the whole duration id have to re-cast like 5-6 skills at once since all the timers are either 10 or 20 seconds, nothing in between those two

Lastly not everyone (like myself) has gold to gold out another set of jewelry. Every long time templar knows they have a gold set of Deadly Strike jewelry and for most of us we do not take that off lol. If you decide to take jabs/sweeps off may as well take deadly off with it. On PS5 to gold out one piece of jewelry costs about 350k on a good day. That is a little over 1 million gold for 3 pieces of jewelry 😩. I barley have 200k right now and a lot of people are broke in eso especially on console. Keep in mind this is to go from purple jewelry to gold, if you need to go from blue to purple first then add another 190k to that 1 million. I know people say its not much difference from purple to gold jewelry, but when you are used to having gold jewelry and then look at purple you know you need it gold. Blood thirsty goes from somewhere between 270-290 to 350 damage and you gotta times that by 3, or infused is a 10% difference from purple to gold jewelry so you need it gold lol.

Templars will be fixed though just be patient. These templar posts have been going around since patch dripped so you know they are being seen.

OnThaLoose

I feel like my Templar, my main class since 2014, has been ruined. Puncturing sweeps has been completely gutted, people are now using blazing spear as a more effective spammable. Think about that for a second ZOS......

But even after all the nerfs, and the DOT changes, the neutering of burning light passive, I still planned on playing my Templar.

But now? I can't, I just can't. The animation is SOOOO bad, I am having the worst time with this skill. I miss so many light attacks trying to weave this *** animation it's ridiculous. I do not understand why this change was made, 8 years into the life of this game.

If we go back a few years, I remember sweeps animation was something like 1.8 seconds. They wanted to speed it up, so it was easier to weave, which worked out and the skill was fine. Why couldn't they do the same here? Why was the whole damn animation changed?

Zos needs to revert this now. Not to mention, they're copying the nighthollow staff style for the animation, which is a daedric/vampire motif, which templars, according to lore, "Templars are bastions of order and justice. A templar’s wrath is formidable; they pride themselves on steadfastly resisting occult forces, be they mage, daedra, or undead." Makes no sense.

Please ZOS, revert the changes to puncturing strikes and its morphs.

rexagamemnon

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Changing the channel time is one thing, but the 20% damage reduction to sweeps was completely unnecessary. Ive spent the 7 years i have played this game mostly praising the devs or giving them the benefit of doubt on these patch notes. The only thing i can remember disagreeing with was the racial passive balancing they did a while back. But this is unjustifiable. A 20% damage nerf to sweeps!? Are you kidding me? I hope the devs at the very least next patch revert the damage nerf on sweeps they implemented.

They nerfed sweeps, jabs AND power of the light, all three of the main damage dealing skills templars use. They really, really nailed templars with U35. Templars were nerfed into oblivion with U35. And on top of the nerfs, they made the jabs animation a dorky flailing motion with a glowing Nighthollow staff. What were they thinking?

Who knows what they were thinking. I refuse to believe that they said to themselves “everyone will love what we do to templar”
All we can do at this point is hope they revert the changes made in u35 to templar. But i wouldnt hold my breath either. Right now im playing the game far less, and im not making crown store purchases anymore until then.

Austacker

I'm honestly at a loss on what to do with my Templar and ESO as a whole now.

I've been playing since release on Xbox and Templar was my main from day one with a focus on healing as my prime spec.

I've ridden the rough waves of 'don't need healers in ESO', but I've stuck with it and whilst it's been a frustrating ride at times, I'm still here and I do the job well enough to get by.

It's the solo / overland type of build I'm honestly at a loss for on where to go next.

The one bar Oakensoul build felt good before the nerfs but now it's pretty lacklustre I have to admit.

I might try just a heavy attack build, but I hear it's best for other classes at the moment.

I'm a solo player and I only play the one class... so I just need a replacement option to do my solo / overland content and actually enjoy it

Right now with the Jabs nerf, I'm not enjoying it.

I genuinely do understand why now we're seeing many players quit ESO in recent times.

Ariordin

Austacker wrote: »

I'm honestly at a loss on what to do with my Templar and ESO as a whole now.

I've been playing since release on Xbox and Templar was my main from day one with a focus on healing as my prime spec.

I've ridden the rough waves of 'don't need healers in ESO', but I've stuck with it and whilst it's been a frustrating ride at times, I'm still here and I do the job well enough to get by.

It's the solo / overland type of build I'm honestly at a loss for on where to go next.

The one bar Oakensoul build felt good before the nerfs but now it's pretty lacklustre I have to admit.

I might try just a heavy attack build, but I hear it's best for other classes at the moment.

I'm a solo player and I only play the one class... so I just need a replacement option to do my solo / overland content and actually enjoy it

Right now with the Jabs nerf, I'm not enjoying it.

I genuinely do understand why now we're seeing many players quit ESO in recent times.

My solution was to take a break for U35 and see if its worth it coming back with the next update. Game has been letting me down. No use playing it when its in a bad state like this. Will be watching for the U36 closely to decide when/if to return.

Crom_CCCXVI

Templers don't have Jabs
NB's can't Snipe or Gank
DK's Talons, Wings, and Heavy Attacks useless
Sorcs- 1 mine at a time, lol.

Why even have classes?

Austacker

Ariordin wrote: »

My solution was to take a break for U35 and see if its worth it coming back with the next update. Game has been letting me down. No use playing it when its in a bad state like this. Will be watching for the U36 closely to decide when/if to return.

I don't think I'll be that extreme in what I do from here. ESO is one of the main games I play on Xbox and I play it pretty much daily since it was released.

I still have my Oakensoul Magplar build for solo content, but it's so lack luster now it's really not fun anymore.

Whilst I did think about doing a heavy attack build, I haven't seen a single 'Templar heavy attack' build out in the wild yet. Heavy Attack got a buff for sure... but not at all for Templar it seems...

I honestly only need a solo build as I am not in a trial guild & don't play with anyone else online, I just need something that feels like you're not slapping a dinosaur with a pool noodle...

I know the Devs read the feedback here and I have to tell you guys that okay, throwing out the nerf hammer on the jabs builds is fine if that's your vision

The problem is, you haven't actually offered the Templar faithful any real viable alternative.

This is why Templar players are so lost, frustrated and annoyed at the moment.

jerj6925

I don’t know why developers hate the templar so much, this class has received so much our right hate in the form of nerfs from developers it’s just obvious at this point they don’t want the class in the game.

How can I say this? PVE generally speaking for difficult content, you don’t take a templar unless you are trying to increase the difficulty or helping a friend who does not play another class. Why choose a templar for DPS when other classes simply can do it so much better? Why choose a templar for healing when other classes can simply do it so much better? Seriously what does a templar bring to a group that no other class does that can’t be done without? Yes, I have met people who say we take templars into trials all the time... just not the vet trials if it can be avoided.

PVP? When has a templar ever tanked 20+ people on their own while at the same time killing players in that group? I have seen wardens, sorcerers, Necromancers, and Dragon knights do it all the time, I mean they are allowed to be like a raid boss in PVP requiring so many people to kill them BUT!!!! That’s not overpowered according to developers. When has a Templar ever been used to instantly kill 5, 10, 15, 30+ people instantly? If they were able to do so the abilities would have been obliterated with an emergency patch but not the night blade or the necromancer, look how long they have been able to do that and I watched them do it all last night even though I see claims it’s not happening... as much?? So still happening, I guess? Oh, I guess when 15+ people get bombed they were dumb for being too close to one another… but strange that was not the case with Hrothgar’s chill when players were too close together that was just the armor doing all the work they said.

Developers have no issue beating the templar abilities or function into junk (so many templar abilites have gone unused) and don’t seem to worry about overdoing it because they would rather error on the side of caution??? but hells bells not the issue with the other classes.

Why don’t they just end the class and be done with it. Seriously people have been asking if they will release a new class so just end the Templar that developers hate so much and release a brand new one that perhaps they and players will enjoy.

markulrich1966

Austacker wrote: »

I'm honestly at a loss on what to do with my Templar and ESO as a whole now.

I've been playing since release on Xbox and Templar was my main from day one with a focus on healing as my prime spec.

I've ridden the rough waves of 'don't need healers in ESO', but I've stuck with it and whilst it's been a frustrating ride at times, I'm still here and I do the job well enough to get by.

It's the solo / overland type of build I'm honestly at a loss for on where to go next.

The one bar Oakensoul build felt good before the nerfs but now it's pretty lacklustre I have to admit.

I might try just a heavy attack build, but I hear it's best for other classes at the moment.

I'm a solo player and I only play the one class... so I just need a replacement option to do my solo / overland content and actually enjoy it

Right now with the Jabs nerf, I'm not enjoying it.

I genuinely do understand why now we're seeing many players quit ESO in recent times.

Heavy attacks are not really bound to a class, especially since oakensoul (since it grants empower).
I do not use oakensoul, still like heavy attack builds.
It is very benefitial (using lightning staves) to have major sorcery and empower.
On a templar you get empower from solar barrage, for sorcery you could use entropy or a set like dreugh king slayer.
DKs have both buffs from molten armaments, sorcerers have major sorcery from critical surge, not certain if they can get empower from skills.

I currently am playing around with such builds, currently seem to get good results like this:
Magsorc: Queens Elegance (gives empower) + Torugs Pact (sergeants mail not yet tested)
Magplar: Dreugh King Slayer + Torugs OR Sergeants mail
MagDK: Sergeants Mail or Mothers Sorrow + Torugs Pact

Sergeants Mail is a little special. Since U35, it no longer grants 2400 damage to heavy staff attack, instead it adds up to 4 stacks of 630.
So your first 2 attacks feel somewhat weak, while the last 2 are pretty strong.
This means in delves you might not be able to 1-shot enemies with a heavy staff attack, so a combination like Mothers Sorrow + Torugs might allow more fluent gameplay. But against worldbosses it would be more efficient, as here the stacks can add up often, so you benefit from the high damage of the last 2 stacks.

As I said, I'm still testing myself, so this is not my final recommendation.
Using infused lightning staves with flame glyphs, my favourite currently the MagDK. With oakensoul any class should be fine.