The NERF ON DRAGON KNIGHTS AND SORCERES ARE TOO BIG on PVP

HuanShai

I understand that bow's sorcerer stamina is very strong, but spoiling the class is another way.
Dragon Knights after the last patch in combustion are already quite nerfed, their only strong modality is in the two-bar version, we are going on the path that classes are becoming unfeasible.

UnassumingNoob

Dks seem stupid strong still. I see more of them than any other class.

MetallicMonk

Dk is insanely strong still, sorcerer is one of the weakest classes that is just crutching on broken/bugged sets and a completely overtuned ability in crystal weapon.

Aces-High-82

UnassumingNoob wrote: »

Dks seem stupid strong still. I see more of them than any other class.

On live that is I assume. Looking at U35 perma corrosive and whip over tuned dmg gone I predict a slide in favor of NBs (roller/gank) as of the actual pts. The better for me.... more squishys hehe

acastanza_ESO

Strong agree about sorcerer, not entirely sure about DK though, DK has been very strong for a long time. It needed some nerfs, I thought it would have been ok after last patch, but the oakensoul nonsense made it hard to objectively assess.
That said, Templar being nerfed is what I'm really looking forward to. Their jabs spam nonsense has gone on too long.

Firstmep

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Strong agree about sorcerer, not entirely sure about DK though, DK has been very strong for a long time. It needed some nerfs, I thought it would have been ok after last patch, but the oakensoul nonsense made it hard to objectively assess.
That said, Templar being nerfed is what I'm really looking forward to. Their jabs spam nonsense has gone on too long.

Nearly everyone's damage is going way down in pvp.
Nightblades and necros are probably the only ones who haven't been hit with a big damage nerf.
As for templar, the way I play stamplar isn't getting hit as hard, I tend to line up burst rather than spam jabs ad nauseum, but nightblades are going to run rampant with jabs damage getting reduced so much.
I predict more and more people will flock to procsets once more, to try to make up for the missing damage.

WoppaBoem

Yes the dragonknights will be hit so hard he will become my crafter again. Their dots should not be nerfed and have a 2 second tick rate. The dots get a nerf in general and also their passive for dots being nerfed on top of that plus 2 seconds. Their duration does not matter in PVP make them 6 seconds still good because they need to be refreshed to proc the whip. And the whip now costing stamina en magica is going to be very annoying. It was nice to have had a few patches again now they will be gone in the closed hurt by ZOS nerf hammer once more.

Kory

Brokensoul just needed Major Heroism and Major Force removed. Don't know why they have to be extra with these changes and nerfs. People were gaining ult too fast and crit damage was absurd for a simple playstyle. All well, was hoping it retained it's power and worth in both pve and pvp.

edit: posted this in the wrong thread but whatever lol

MashmalloMan

Bit late to the party.

Come Monday, whatever we get is 99% likely to go live. Doubt anything we say today would even make a difference within the next 24 hours. I've lost all optimism at this point.

Unfortunately, didn't look like enough people were fighting for their classes which probably leads ZOS to thinking everything's okay. I imagine most people checked out after patch 1, even more so by patch 3 when all hope was lost. I don't really blame them.

ESO_Nightingale

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Bit late to the party.

Come Monday, whatever we get is 99% likely to go live. Doubt anything we say today would even make a difference within the next 24 hours. I've lost all optimism at this point.

Unfortunately, didn't look like enough people were fighting for their classes which probably leads ZOS to thinking everything's okay. I imagine most people checked out after patch 1, even more so by patch 3 when all hope was lost. I don't really blame them.

unfortunately, i agree. there's only 1 day left of work for zos, and they're likely flat out with getting the new build ready. i doubt there's any time for new changes tomorrow beyond what they already had planned.

ToRelax

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Bit late to the party.

Come Monday, whatever we get is 99% likely to go live. Doubt anything we say today would even make a difference within the next 24 hours. I've lost all optimism at this point.

Unfortunately, didn't look like enough people were fighting for their classes which probably leads ZOS to thinking everything's okay. I imagine most people checked out after patch 1, even more so by patch 3 when all hope was lost. I don't really blame them.

I think it just isn't easy to fully predict how a class will do following what will undoubtedly amount to a large shift in the meta. There would have to be quite a lot of people interested in testing for several weeks, and that doesn't really happen outside of big content updates (including adding of skill lines and such).

Beffagorn

Honestly, the 2s tick rate pretty much killed stam DK dots in pvp given that most classes either have a way to mitigate or cleanse dots entirely with little if any opportunity cost for doing so.

If anything the changes just reinforces the objectively unhealthy and cancerous builds that rely entirely on Corrosive Armor spam. The Oakensoul nerf will make it happen less often and the need to find new sources of major heroism will tackle some of it's damage, but the problem still remains until Oakensoul loses it's heroism entirely.

ZoS, as always, identifies a problem within the game and applies a solution that has the opposite effect of what they desire it to accomplish, often with a myriad of side effects for builds that didn't need nerfs. Although in this case I strongly doubt any of the nerfs were made to deal with Corrosive Armor spam.

IZZEFlameLash

Mara's Balm is also pretty much anti-DK set, so it isn't just the nerfs to DoTs that DKs or any other classes' DoT builds have to worry about. We are in for probably the worst PvP meta in this game's history.

Falcon_of_light

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

WoppaBoem

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

olsborg

Any meta that doesn't include dots or ~3, especially endowed proccsets is a good meta these days, the next patch meta will undoubtedly be better then currently.

olsborg

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

ThirdEye_PULSE

For PVE i think DK will still be competitive. Hard to say how will do in pvp but i dont see how it will secure kills with DoTs being that much weaker and needing to build for extra sustain to use whip and still have stam for dodgeroll and break free. Wont be able to build for dmg as much needing a lot more sustain.

Any class that doesnt need DoTs for pressure in PVP will be okay. So yeah, haunting curse was also a nerf for magsorc pvp without pets. A nerf magsorc doesnt need. Just needed crystal wep tuned down a bit.

Guessing NB will be king next patch. Where the rest will fall is anyones guess. Have high hopes maybe warden will be viable if i cant play my sorc or dk. Also seems stamden is in the best spot to abuse the new pvp set Maras. So that probably means warden will get nerfed next patch along with the set... you know, current sorc treatment due to savage werewolf.

ThirdEye_PULSE

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

They lost stun from spammable for a 100% crit every 4 seconds from u35. Slight nerf.

WoppaBoem

olsborg wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

I know-ish that falcon got many comments removed and his discussion closed yesterday because he went total commando about NB losing stun was very funny. I will be back to my warden once more when my magdk will be completly useless again. Who know next patch will be better for me as they keep dark convergence I hardly play anyway. This game is about fighting face to face and lets skills game knowledge and builds clash win but now its oke pull I survive but the guy next to me he does not oke so many bombs procs going off and its bye bye, logout do something else.

MashmalloMan

WoppaBoem wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

I know-ish that falcon got many comments removed and his discussion closed yesterday because he went total commando about NB losing stun was very funny. I will be back to my warden once more when my magdk will be completly useless again. Who know next patch will be better for me as they keep dark convergence I hardly play anyway. This game is about fighting face to face and lets skills game knowledge and builds clash win but now its oke pull I survive but the guy next to me he does not oke so many bombs procs going off and its bye bye, logout do something else.

They were banned.

CharlieFreak

olsborg wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

Come on now. There are clearly more NBs than anything else out there. The evidence being that for every templar or dk you engage with, 1-4 NBs will mysteriously appear out of nowhere to pile on. The great majority of NBs are not solo ganking, but rather helping take down players who are already engaged with someone else.

NB is by far the easiest class to play, mainly due to the ability to pick and choose fights, and disengage from them in a way that only sorc can match.

MashmalloMan

CharlieFreak wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

Come on now. There are clearly more NBs than anything else out there. The evidence being that for every templar or dk you engage with, 1-4 NBs will mysteriously appear out of nowhere to pile on. The great majority of NBs are not solo ganking, but rather helping take down players who are already engaged with someone else.

NB is by far the easiest class to play, mainly due to the ability to pick and choose fights, and disengage from them in a way that only sorc can match.

Fair, but I find NB's to be the most punishing too. The same people you're talking about that can pick and choose fights are the same people that have no idea what to do their gank is countered, they just panick roll. They've built themselves so far into burst damage that they have no survivability or sustain.

Also, having a lot of a class that stealth easily and pick people off in a burst combo is a newer player's fantasy. People typically love the idea of that so I can definitely understand why more newer players would want to play NB in pvp. I know I did when I started playing ESO. I wouldn't say thats a great metric to judge off of. Playstyles like that are more common coming from other RPG's imo, especially ES titles.

High risk, high reward. I wouldn't say they're easy to play because they have the opportunity to avoid or engage in combat.

CharlieFreak

MashmalloMan wrote: »

CharlieFreak wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

NB is not the easiest to play at all, Magdk and Magplar are insanely easy to play well, hence why there are so f many of them in cyrodiil.

Come on now. There are clearly more NBs than anything else out there. The evidence being that for every templar or dk you engage with, 1-4 NBs will mysteriously appear out of nowhere to pile on. The great majority of NBs are not solo ganking, but rather helping take down players who are already engaged with someone else.

NB is by far the easiest class to play, mainly due to the ability to pick and choose fights, and disengage from them in a way that only sorc can match.

Fair, but I find NB's to be the most punishing too. The same people you're talking about that can pick and choose fights are the same people that have no idea what to do their gank is countered, they just panick roll. They've built themselves so far into burst damage that they have no survivability or sustain.

Also, having a lot of a class that stealth easily and pick people off in a burst combo is a newer player's fantasy. People typically love the idea of that so I can definitely understand why more newer players would want to play NB in pvp. I know I did when I started playing ESO. I wouldn't say thats a great metric to judge off of. Playstyles like that are more common coming from other RPG's imo, especially ES titles.

High risk, high reward. I wouldn't say they're easy to play because they have the opportunity to avoid or engage in combat.

Yes, all good points. I started that way too. It's a very appealing class for people new to pvp or eso pvp.

I prefer a more brawler playstyle and don't play my nightblade anymore, but I do sometimes miss having the ability to simply streak off onto the horizon or disappear when things get too hot. Nothing worse than seeing a solo guy standing on a resource flag and jumping on him, and surprise surprise (not), there are two nightblades there too, and yet now you're committed.

robpr

Molten Whip costing stamina probably killed that morph, DKs probably gonna use another spammable with whip being a passive 300 sd/wd. Other than that they are mostly fine.

Kinda sad to see pushing NB to gank builds only even further with Concealed buff and Dark Cloak nerf.

Vetixio

DKs and Stamblades will still be very strong especially with Brokensoul. Magicka and Stam Sorcs haven't been good for a while (with the excpetion of Bowsorc which was because of Crystal Weapon stacking and Savage Werewolf cheese those 2 things have been rightfully nerfed.) Looks like another Mag/Stam DK and Stamblade proc set meta so basically the meta hasn't really changed from live.

boi_anachronism_

WoppaBoem wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Nope, dk and sorcs are just faceroll and this nerf are 100% justified and need to be much biger.

I believe NB's are the easiest class to play with the most OP ultimate, Escape tool and damage. They even get a stun of their spammable. NB's have to brought done all the ganker has been enough.

Absolutely not. What are you pointing to? Their bow proc which is both easy to avoid and easy to avoid the multi light or heavy attacks to proc it? Their sub par cc maybe? The fact that if they hit one snare they are effectively dead in the water? Their cloak which falls off from literally everything? You gotta be a good player to make nb work in both pve and pvp. You can be a crap templar in both and still hit harder. I got friends that are great nb main players and have been for a while who barely crack 100k with a stellar rotation and yet can casually hit 110k on a temp alt that they barely touch. I can run 1 stam skill with a mag build but not a spammable so yeah stam has some options. Mag has cloak and all it takes is inner light and one javlin and you dead. It is objectively a harder class to play.