Can appearance change please be free?

Magenpie

jlmurra2 wrote: »

I use to have this issue. The best solution I learned was to make new characters on the PTS, then play them in various areas in game to see them in varying lighting, and try on several outfits. Appearance tokens are free on PTS, so tweaking appearances is much easier.

Oh my word this is such a good tip! Thank you!

FeedbackOnly

How about Christmas month daily rewards have this?

jlmurra2

Arunei wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

I use to have this issue. The best solution I learned was to make new characters on the PTS, then play them in various areas in game to see them in varying lighting, and try on several outfits. Appearance tokens are free on PTS, so tweaking appearances is much easier.

The only problem is people playing on console and Stadia don't have access to the PTS, nor do people who don't have the space to install it. Plus there's the fact that if you want to tweak an existing character, you can only do it if your region is saved to the server.

It's a great tool to use for people who have access to it. But considering how bad the lighting is for character creation and how different characters look between creation and the actual game...we really should at least have a grace period where we can change things for free. Maybe for two or three days? Especially since certain things are very easy to forget to change, like a character's voice.

Yes, PC users often have advantages over all others.

I know from my experience that character creation can be very frustrating. Unfortunately its shortcomings seem much too lucrative to change.

jlmurra2

Magenpie wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

I use to have this issue. The best solution I learned was to make new characters on the PTS, then play them in various areas in game to see them in varying lighting, and try on several outfits. Appearance tokens are free on PTS, so tweaking appearances is much easier.

Oh my word this is such a good tip! Thank you!

Happy to share.

I hope it saves you a lot of crowns.

Sevalaricgirl

Wait a minute, what do you think this is World of Warcraft? ZOS would never do change it. [SNIP]

rpa

Just buy crowns for gold (give somebody gold to gift you appearance change token in return).
No idea what exchange ratio is because I don't participate in that but I think it's well over 1000:1 crown at PCEU.

TheGreatBlackBear

Fallout 76 another Bethesda MMO which is actually perceived to be even more predatory actually lets you change appearance for free as often as you want. When you're worse than FO76 that's a bad sign lol

francesinhalover

rpa wrote: »

Just buy crowns for gold (give somebody gold to gift you appearance change token in return).
No idea what exchange ratio is because I don't participate in that but I think it's well over 1000:1 crown at PCEU.

Its 2500/1 average on pc eu
2000/1 min.

Kiralyn2000

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Fallout 76 another Bethesda MMO which is actually perceived to be even more predatory

...since when? It doesn't have a required sub, and it doesn't have any "content" DLC. (admittedly, new content comes out super slow). Yeah, it's got lots of cosmetics, but it's season pass gives an amount of cash shop currency + other cosmetics. And no-one actually needs the silly Repair Kits/Scrap kits/Lunchboxes that the shop sells, playing the game throws piles of them at you. There are no "crown crates".

Only really comparable thing to ESO is the whole "sub for Craft Bag / Scrap Box" thing.


(ditto on the WoW comparisons - it's a required-sub game. They tend to do some things differently than f2p/b2p games. The WoW barbershop was only added in v3, and expanded to facial features in v6. They don't have quite as many character creation sliders/options as newer MMOs do - actually, looking at the wiki, there's just three options for each race/gender: hair style, hair color, <facial feature>.)
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I certainly think that there should be an in-game barber for changing your hair, especially since they sell additional hairstyles.


But. . .

or increase a bit a arm size because of a weirdly made motif

. . . I'm not really sure the Appearance Change system was designed (or priced) expecting people to do that level of tweaking. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bit extreme?


(I'll admit that I've never used Appearance Change in a game with a paid system. If I don't like how a character looks when I get out of the original creation screen, I'll delete & start again, but that's it. Even in games where you can do it incredibly easily - like Star Trek Online or City Of Heroes, where every "outfit slot" included your character slider settings and making changes cost effectively nothing - I don't make changes often.)

BretonMage

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

or increase a bit a arm size because of a weirdly made motif

. . . I'm not really sure the Appearance Change system was designed (or priced) expecting people to do that level of tweaking. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bit extreme?

I admit I've spent an embarrassing amount of crowns tweaking my one character. Sometimes even after playing with my character for hundreds, even thousands, of hours, I'd realise something's just not quite what I had in mind for her eyes or brows or whatever, and it would really bug me till I get it fixed. And obviously since it's a character I've grown attached to (not to mention the progress I've made with her), I'd rather just spend the crowns than delete and restart.

And obviously ZOS knows this about us. I do wish they'd give bigger discounts on the appearance change tokens, or give us a freebie every once in a while.

Kiralyn2000

BretonMage wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

or increase a bit a arm size because of a weirdly made motif

. . . I'm not really sure the Appearance Change system was designed (or priced) expecting people to do that level of tweaking. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bit extreme?

I admit I've spent an embarrassing amount of crowns tweaking my one character. Sometimes even after playing with my character for hundreds, even thousands, of hours, I'd realise something's just not quite what I had in mind for her eyes or brows or whatever, and it would really bug me till I get it fixed.

Huh. Well, ok then.

And obviously since it's a character I've grown attached to (not to mention the progress I've made with her), I'd rather just spend the crowns than delete and restart.

Yeah, I'd only do the "delete and restart" thing for a brand new character that hadn't done anything yet.

barney2525

Yeah, this is a huge issue.

Ever new character I make, once I put it in game I get a good look at it. If there Is some detail I dont like, no matter how minor, I delete it and start over. (The name wipes from the system immediately so the next incarnation is still the 'same' character)

As for motifs, If I am considering buying a new one, I get a good look at it - either through the Outfitter (which allows to me look at how well dyes apply to it) or if I am just looking at cheap stuff at a Trader, I look at it through the character outfits before I buy (cant see different dyes that way though )

NotaDaedraWorshipper

SkadiMZ wrote: »

This is just one of the many examples of why I would be embarassed to recommend ESO to anyone. I can only speak from my personal game experience, but ESO has the most predatory micro transaction practices I've come across. I can't tell you how many times I've made a character to only see it looks way lighter/darker/shorter/fatter/has an oddly large arm once I've seen it in game. There should at least be an option to preview the character in the world instead of some dimly lit study with the absolute worst freaking lighting.

If you think ESO has the most predatory micro transactions then you have not seen a lot of those.

shadyjane62

In WoW they have a barbershop. Best thing ever!

francesinhalover

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

SkadiMZ wrote: »

This is just one of the many examples of why I would be embarassed to recommend ESO to anyone. I can only speak from my personal game experience, but ESO has the most predatory micro transaction practices I've come across. I can't tell you how many times I've made a character to only see it looks way lighter/darker/shorter/fatter/has an oddly large arm once I've seen it in game. There should at least be an option to preview the character in the world instead of some dimly lit study with the absolute worst freaking lighting.

If you think ESO has the most predatory micro transactions then you have not seen a lot of those.

what other AAA game has them then?

Shihp00

how are some people still defending them for this? 10 dollars to adjust my nose? Are ya'll ok? L0L

BretonMage

Have to admit, I'm souring on the Crown Store with U35 coming up. To date, my attitude was: I don't mind spending a little on ESO+ or cosmetics in the Crown Store if I feel like I'm paying for an entertaining game. But eh, if they're going to take away my fun, then I'd feel a little ripped off spending on anything.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

Fallout 76 another Bethesda MMO which is actually perceived to be even more predatory

...since when? It doesn't have a required sub, and it doesn't have any "content" DLC. (admittedly, new content comes out super slow). Yeah, it's got lots of cosmetics, but it's season pass gives an amount of cash shop currency + other cosmetics. And no-one actually needs the silly Repair Kits/Scrap kits/Lunchboxes that the shop sells, playing the game throws piles of them at you. There are no "crown crates".

Only really comparable thing to ESO is the whole "sub for Craft Bag / Scrap Box" thing.


(ditto on the WoW comparisons - it's a required-sub game. They tend to do some things differently than f2p/b2p games. The WoW barbershop was only added in v3, and expanded to facial features in v6. They don't have quite as many character creation sliders/options as newer MMOs do - actually, looking at the wiki, there's just three options for each race/gender: hair style, hair color, <facial feature>.)
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I certainly think that there should be an in-game barber for changing your hair, especially since they sell additional hairstyles.


But. . .

or increase a bit a arm size because of a weirdly made motif

. . . I'm not really sure the Appearance Change system was designed (or priced) expecting people to do that level of tweaking. Am I the only one who thinks that's a bit extreme?


(I'll admit that I've never used Appearance Change in a game with a paid system. If I don't like how a character looks when I get out of the original creation screen, I'll delete & start again, but that's it. Even in games where you can do it incredibly easily - like Star Trek Online or City Of Heroes, where every "outfit slot" included your character slider settings and making changes cost effectively nothing - I don't make changes often.)

You're not alone thinking it's extreme. I often get a bit puzzled whenever this topic is brought up. Not only is it compared to games which are quite different, or it's things like WoW which has not only mandatory sub but it was a feature added much later and character creator there is much more limited. A lot of mmos have that you need to pay to change your character.

But I'm also very picky when making my characters and will delete and remake them when creating them until I'm pleased with their look. Usually test costumes I'm likely to use and some styles to see how they look in those. I know they won't look great in every style, because of all the morphing and such they have, but I just don't use those styles on that character or I don't mind some slightly thinner or thicker arms for the time they do.
It happens that I sometimes much later find something that bugs me a bit about a character and I can't let it go. Then I will use a race or appearance change to change it (still have a free race change token left). But before I change it I will do a test character to see it looks right (PTS is good for those with full character slots) or it's just small changes.

Changing hair, adornments, markings etc I don't need to think about because I bought the cosmetic packs of those things. Even with some "barber" I'd still get those because they are just so pracitical. Doesn't cost a thing and I can change it on the spot.

It would be nice if they added a hair colour cosmetic pack, though. To go along with all the other ones. And I've thought and requested for a long time that getting appearance tokens and such would be a great daily rewards every now and then.
And yes, a lot of stuff on the CS is too expensive, but when it comes to them I think things like outfit slots are far worse than appearance tokens.

psychotrip

SkadiMZ wrote: »

This is just one of the many examples of why I would be embarassed to recommend ESO to anyone. I can only speak from my personal game experience, but ESO has the most predatory micro transaction practices I've come across. I can't tell you how many times I've made a character to only see it looks way lighter/darker/shorter/fatter/has an oddly large arm once I've seen it in game. There should at least be an option to preview the character in the world instead of some dimly lit study with the absolute worst freaking lighting.

Almost like it's designed this way on purpose to get you to spend more. But that'd be crazy, right?

Sparxlost

make them available in the seal shop for a lot of seals and rarely in daily login rewards??????????