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No nerf for sorceror king orgnum/maormer deck?!?!?!
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Everyone I have spoken to agrees that it basically ruins the game if someone picks it.
The patron ability is WAYYYY too strong, and the only counter is somehow drawing a tithe on like, turn 4, and have an extra 6 gold to spare. So you need 9 gold and terrific luck, otherwise you lose.
There may not be much data on it because it is the last to unlock (and not easy to unlock), but it is completely toxic and ruins Tales of Tribute as a game.
Almost only feasible nerf: slash the benefits of the patron in half. There is no need to combo a deck with this deck. Every turn is just 'hit the patron'.
The patron ability is WAYYYY too strong, and the only counter is somehow drawing a tithe on like, turn 4, and have an extra 6 gold to spare. So you need 9 gold and terrific luck, otherwise you lose.
There may not be much data on it because it is the last to unlock (and not easy to unlock), but it is completely toxic and ruins Tales of Tribute as a game.
Almost only feasible nerf: slash the benefits of the patron in half. There is no need to combo a deck with this deck. Every turn is just 'hit the patron'.
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AJA✭✭✭Completely agree. Playing against it is literally not even a card game anymore, its a button spam game.5 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭Behold the new age of PvP nerf threads.
Honestly, the rest of it is fine imo. There are counters and synergies for everything, but this deck....
this deck has only one real counter, and it's nearly impossible to do before the game is over. It's a staring match over who flips the patron first.
The fix isn't the cards or anything, it's not complicated at all.
The patron action just needs to be toned down (a lot).
If someone picks this deck, it completely ruins the game, and I've yet to meet someone who thinks otherwise.
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✭Maormer supremacy! In all seriousness I haven't gotten into the card game yet, so I hope they balance things out cause once I get this deck I'm always going to pair it with whatever deck is active just for the aesthetics xDEdited by Artim_X on July 25, 2022 9:43PM(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭The deck serves its purpose, it makes for a fast game with a little bit of a chance to beat the flip of a coin.
I lost 2 out of 3 in a row last night but those 3 games didn't take me an hour to play.
If I changed anything it would be that if you hold favor it either gave you the free card or decreased the number of cards to create a point but not both.
That alone would stop the need to chase the spam.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭The deck serves its purpose, it makes for a fast game with a little bit of a chance to beat the flip of a coin.
I lost 2 out of 3 in a row last night but those 3 games didn't take me an hour to play.
If I changed anything it would be that if you hold favor it either gave you the free card or decreased the number of cards to create a point but not both.
That alone would stop the need to chase the spam.
Well, in making it a short game, it effectively invalidates the rest of the game. The game becomes: tithe, gold, exchange for writ of coin... and that's about it.
It turns an otherwise fantastic game into an absolute joke. People claim red is luck based. This deck is complete luck, and creates a different game that almost no one wants to play.2 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭Actually, the best way it can be summed up is being able to hit the purple patron over and over and over, and receive even better benefits, that increase exponentially1
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Iron_Blurr✭✭✭✭What did you expect them to balance new content in a timely manner??
vRg is still a buggy mess and vDSR trifecta is basically impossible to achieve now.
Everything comes out half baked.
Instead of finishing up the hybridization changes like dual type jewelry damage glyphs or potion hybridization they decided to break the rest of the game.3 -
KeiRaikon✭✭✭The entire Patron ability just needs to be redone. If you have a patron ability that has to be used every single turn then it is fundamentally broken compared to the rest of the games design they even showed that they know its broken because they specifically made the Duke of Crows unable to be spammed every turn.1 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭The entire Patron ability just needs to be redone. If you have a patron ability that has to be used every single turn then it is fundamentally broken compared to the rest of the games design they even showed that they know its broken because they specifically made the Duke of Crows unable to be spammed every turn.
yeah, it's bizarre. I wonder if it just received the least play testing because the play testers didn't want to play it lol.
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I don't pick it in Player matches but I pick Orgnum every time for NPC matches. Once you can win almost every game on an Expert NPC you will get a better feel of when to wait around or when to go ahead and chase it or maybe even start it yourself.
I've lost one match to an NPC since I started playing this way for my dailies.
That said, I still think the favored boon needs to be changed to one improvement or the other and not both. (1 point for every 4 cards and no free card or leave it 1 point for every 6 cards and add the free card)Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭i honestly see the orgnum patron as kind of similar to function as the crow, but you get more points based on how many cards you own
it could just get the crow treatment and only allow you to use it when its neutral or unfavored like the crow patron, therefore no spam
many of the cards in the orgnum deck are already potent enough as isplays PC/NA
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✭✭✭✭Funny enough, I know how broken this is, but I had the opposite effect that got me a win against Nefas lol.
So look at how it works first:- Favoured - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 4 cards you have, earn the +2 prestige card.
- Neutral - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 6 cards you have.
- Unfavoured - pressing it gets you 2 power, no conditions.
Esentially, if a player presses Neutral with not enough cards to hit 18 for a total of +2 power, Unfavoured is better than Neutral.
So in my game against Nefas, he would change it from Neutral to Favoured on his turn, then I'd change it from Unfavoured to Neutral on my turn.
This back and forth gave me +2 power and only gave him +1 power, since the patron costs 3 gold, there was never enough with the 0-2 gold remaining to buy something from the Tavern.
This back and forth happened for 10+ turns between us, the game ended with both of us only having basic cards and power from the patron with me having a 20 point lead to 40 against him.
I'm guessing Nefas thought it was funny, so he just kept "falling" into the same trap on purpose after 2-3 turns. The game was over in 3 minutes.
Edited by MashmalloMan on July 27, 2022 10:28PMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭Also.. this patron was actually nerfed on PTS to no longer provide the free card, but the power scaling remains.
I think it may actually be in a good place now, at least, it should be tested in it's current state before making any judgements. They can't snowball as easy because their 3 gold gets converted into 1-2 power early game, forcing them with no way to stack the 2 prestige cards unless they're also buying from the Tavern and getting lucky.
Edited by MashmalloMan on July 27, 2022 11:00PMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
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Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Also.. this patron was actually nerfed on PTS to no longer provide the free card, but the power scaling remains.
I think it may actually be in a good place now, at least, it should be tested in it's current state before making any judgements. They can't snowball as easy because their 3 gold gets converted into 1-2 power early game, forcing them with no way to stack the 2 prestige cards unless they're also buying from the Tavern and getting lucky.
Well what do ya know, if it sticks I actually got one right. I haven't played on ToT PTS because I haven't been able to get live matches, at least not within 3 minutes or so when I've been on actually trying things out.Edited by Casdha on July 28, 2022 2:03AMProud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%0 -
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✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Also.. this patron was actually nerfed on PTS to no longer provide the free card, but the power scaling remains.
I think it may actually be in a good place now, at least, it should be tested in it's current state before making any judgements. They can't snowball as easy because their 3 gold gets converted into 1-2 power early game, forcing them with no way to stack the 2 prestige cards unless they're also buying from the Tavern and getting lucky.
Well what do ya know, if it sticks I actually got one right. I haven't played on ToT PTS because I haven't been able to get live matches, at least not within 3 minutes or so when I've been on actually trying things out.
You can view your collections, but I tested it on an NPC to be sure
PC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
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Nebs✭✭✭✭That's neat to see that they did give nerfing it a try. I hope that helps a bit. I always felt like Orgnum was the Patron for people who absolutely hated ToT and just wanted the match to end quickly with as little interaction as possible. I hated that. NPCs also place such high value on it that you can get them to ignore all else and just farm brainless matches with them. It really sucks.
I kinda like the idea of it being like the crows, used as power bomb late game, but that might be too 🤞 excluding the additional card makes him suck less.0 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭Iron_Blurr wrote: »What did you expect them to balance new content in a timely manner??
vRg is still a buggy mess and vDSR trifecta is basically impossible to achieve now.
Everything comes out half baked.
Instead of finishing up the hybridization changes like dual type jewelry damage glyphs or potion hybridization they decided to break the rest of the game.
Why so negative? vRG is fine. I've finished my perfected stickerbook 3x or more in there.0 -
spacefracking✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Also.. this patron was actually nerfed on PTS to no longer provide the free card, but the power scaling remains.
I think it may actually be in a good place now, at least, it should be tested in it's current state before making any judgements. They can't snowball as easy because their 3 gold gets converted into 1-2 power early game, forcing them with no way to stack the 2 prestige cards unless they're also buying from the Tavern and getting lucky.
Woah! I've read the patch notes like 3x over and they didn't include this in any of them!! Maybe this will be an improvement? Hopefully. Any nerf at this point to be honest...0 -
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✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Funny enough, I know how broken this is, but I had the opposite effect that got me a win against Nefas lol.
So look at how it works first:- Favoured - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 4 cards you have, earn the +2 prestige card.
- Neutral - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 6 cards you have.
- Unfavoured - pressing it gets you 2 power, no conditions.
Esentially, if a player presses Neutral with not enough cards to hit 18 for a total of +2 power, Unfavoured is better than Neutral.
So in my game against Nefas, he would change it from Neutral to Favoured on his turn, then I'd change it from Unfavoured to Neutral on my turn.
This back and forth gave me +2 power and only gave him +1 power, since the patron costs 3 gold, there was never enough with the 0-2 gold remaining to buy something from the Tavern.
This back and forth happened for 10+ turns between us, the game ended with both of us only having basic cards and power from the patron with me having a 20 point lead to 40 against him.
I'm guessing Nefas thought it was funny, so he just kept "falling" into the same trap on purpose after 2-3 turns. The game was over in 3 minutes.
Yeah I think most people don't understand that it's risky to try and play the spam.
I beat any player who tried the spam. They don't seem to understand I get +2 power and they only get +1 power. It's a slow burn and by the time they realize what they're doing, it's too late.
The best is when you got good gold per turn and can manage to both counter their patron and keep build a deck.
It doesn't need a need a nerf.Edited by CleymenZero on July 28, 2022 6:06PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CleymenZero wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »Funny enough, I know how broken this is, but I had the opposite effect that got me a win against Nefas lol.
So look at how it works first:- Favoured - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 4 cards you have, earn the +2 prestige card.
- Neutral - pressing it gets you 1 power, -1 for every 6 cards you have.
- Unfavoured - pressing it gets you 2 power, no conditions.
Esentially, if a player presses Neutral with not enough cards to hit 18 for a total of +2 power, Unfavoured is better than Neutral.
So in my game against Nefas, he would change it from Neutral to Favoured on his turn, then I'd change it from Unfavoured to Neutral on my turn.
This back and forth gave me +2 power and only gave him +1 power, since the patron costs 3 gold, there was never enough with the 0-2 gold remaining to buy something from the Tavern.
This back and forth happened for 10+ turns between us, the game ended with both of us only having basic cards and power from the patron with me having a 20 point lead to 40 against him.
I'm guessing Nefas thought it was funny, so he just kept "falling" into the same trap on purpose after 2-3 turns. The game was over in 3 minutes.
Yeah I think most people don't understand that it's risky to try and play the spam.
I beat any player who tried the spam. They don't seem to understand I get +2 power and they only get +1 power. It's a slow burn and by the time they realize what they're doing, it's too late.
The best is when you got good gold per turn and can manage to both counter their patron and keep build a deck.
It doesn't need a need.
this, ive definitely done this against an npc
the npc selected rahjin and orgnum, and in one of the first few turns i nabbed a pounce and profit from the tavern, i waited to hit orgnum until the npc started hitting orgnum
with the pounce and profit being a strong +5 gold card i was also able to nab up some other orgnum cards (such as the agent that when doing a combo also adds a card to your deck) and was able to beat out the npcplays PC/NA
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