ZoS, please explain how weaving works

Vex.1337

Vevvev wrote: »

Vex.1337 wrote: »

Now my question is why aren't light attacks on the 1-second global cooldown?

Much more interesting, and if they were put on the global cooldown nobody in their right minds would use them unless they got super massive buffs. And then you'd only use them if they somehow overpowered an ability, and if they overpowered an ability that ability shouldn't even exist.

I don't think light attacks shouldn't be that important, any of your other 10 named abilities placed on your bars should do more dmg than a light attack, they are also heavily tied to ultimates.

AdricEdwistyr

Vex.1337 wrote: »

I don't think light attacks shouldn't be that important, any of your other 10 named abilities placed on your bars should do more dmg than a light attack, they are also heavily tied to ultimates.

The skills (and other things) cumulatively produce much more damage then LA. But if you compare each ability, LA is often (not always depending on the class) the 1st source of damage, for a good weaving player at least. Like 10-15k for a night blade.

exeeter702

Tigertron wrote: »

Players like Masel have documented it in the past and I believe some of that is still here.

There is a GCD. (Global. As in all abilities. LA is an ability) It’s 1 second. You can queue up one more skill to fire off after the GCD ends. It is the last skill you hit before about 800ms from the skill that started the GCD. (200 ms to queue it and other delays. Hitting it after this time will just start it with its own GCD)

Hit LA. GCD starts
~500ms to 800ms later hit a skill ability
Skill Ability is queued to fire after GCD ends of the LA.
200-500ms later your skill ability fires starting a new GCD.
500ms later queue a LA to fire after skill.
Repeat.

Congratulations. You are weaving LA and skill. This give you a bigger DPS than just LA or just skill. As long as the skill is spamable. Meaning it’s instant cast.

If you are on PC you can use combat metrics log to prove all this yourself. Mesel had a fantastic YouTube video showing how it worked exactly. He took it down as it was old and some of it was no longer relevant which I guess would cause confusion.

Light attacks do not trigger the GCD. They obey it. This is by design. It was not an accidental oversight that players could perform a light attack before each skill.

Those that were around when this game was just coming out of beta should remember VERY well how allergic ZOS with labeling this game as an MMORPG, and actively took measures to distance the game from the genre and to deliver it as much as possible as online skyrim. This is why genre staples such as floating combat text, buff timers, cast bars, GCD indicators, among other things, were never a priority early on and kept under the hood, despite all of these aspects being very much core to the games design.

"Having a governing cool down on ability use?! In an elder scrolls game?! We cant go and tell people that!"

This was absolutely the temperature of the games early marketing and why they shied away from such subjects for so long. To this day there is still no GCD indicator or cast/channel bars in game without the use of addons. Think about that for a moment.

exeeter702

Vex.1337 wrote: »

As a new ESO player, I also find this very confusing and I wish it would be fully explained and supported by the game tutorial and interface.

To do it properly I think you need an addon that tracks your global cooldown and as soon as you're off the GCD you do a light attack which needs to be immediately followed by an instant ability, at least that's how I understand it works.

Now my question is why aren't light attacks on the 1-second global cooldown?

Because if they were on the GCD independently, you would have to chose between an ability use or a light attack. Light attacks dont trigger the GCD because they are intended to be used before every ability, the later of which does trigger the GCD. Light attacks obey the GCD because you arernt supposed to be able to fire off 2 LAs per ability use within the GCD.

Vevvev

AdricEdwistyr wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Vex.1337 wrote: »

Now my question is why aren't light attacks on the 1-second global cooldown?

Much more interesting, and if they were put on the global cooldown nobody in their right minds would use them unless they got super massive buffs. And then you'd only use them if they somehow overpowered an ability, and if they overpowered an ability that ability shouldn't even exist.

I'm not sure. Don't forget that LA proc weapon enchantments and build up ultimates.

Weapon abilities proc enchantments to, and you only need 1 LA/HA every 8 seconds.