To the Devs: Why are there boss fights and sky shards that can only be done/collected with a group?

FlopsyPrince

BoraBora wrote: »

Was recently just questing. Obviously only attacking NPCs. Attacked while doing so. Then I was in a house where you can do those PvE quests for getting Alliance points (doing so because I need those for Horse speed boost as the initial Alliance quest did not give me enough to unlock the passive (nerft??)) Got killed in the building just because I was there. This is so annoying!

Why are there even PvE quests in a PvP zone? Can't I have my PvE instances there? PVP player then can do their conquest the flag, kill <amount x> of other player or play gank and greif the noob, or whatever they think is funny. Yes it is obvious that I have bad experiences with PvP. That's why I prefer PvE or Co-Op play!

You were ganked because you were there.

I ran to the dungeon in IC to redeem a shard and got killed just while running there yesterday. I wasn't attacking anything, just running to the dungeon door so I could redeem the chest ticket. The goal of using me to feed someone else worked well since I got ganked when I was not fighting and not even trying to fight. Someone questing themselves (most likely) had to gank me, though it looked they may have been waiting around the entrance looking for others to gank.

I fortunately managed to sneak in shortly after that. I would have bailed on the effort if the second attempt didn't work.

ZOS thought it would be great to give us PvP-related rewards for a PvE event. Annoying. (I am going to try to collect them for those who may feel they have to tell me to just not use them. Why should I intentionally ignore something like that?)

I do have to think this was the exact point, dragging people into PvP, even though it only gives grist for the mill.

FlopsyPrince

BlueRaven wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

The IC skyshards will be the hard to get ones.

I just grabbed all of the IC shards today on my new character. Level 15, in NoCP, and I was in all heavy armour.

Above ground and in the sewers. I just ran to each one, only fighting when I absolutely had to.

Died a few times, but was pretty easy.

Ah! I did not take the under level 50 instance into account. I was thinking of the above 50 cp servers where opposing faction players are more heavily present.

They made these character-bound, I would assume on purpose, so you cannot collect them on a lower level character....

Snamyap

BoraBora wrote: »

Was recently just questing. Obviously only attacking NPCs. Attacked while doing so. Then I was in a house where you can do those PvE quests for getting Alliance points (doing so because I need those for Horse speed boost as the initial Alliance quest did not give me enough to unlock the passive (nerft??)) Got killed in the building just because I was there. This is so annoying!

Why are there even PvE quests in a PvP zone? Can't I have my PvE instances there? PVP player then can do their conquest the flag, kill <amount x> of other player or play gank and greif the noob, or whatever they think is funny. Yes it is obvious that I have bad experiences with PvP. That's why I prefer PvE or Co-Op play!

Cyrodill is a war zone. It's not a dueling arena were people politely ask one another for a fight. When you enter Cyrodill you can not expect everyone else to follow your "rules". It's like playing rugby and complaining to the referee that someone touched you.
And I say this as someone who doesn't particulary enjoys pvp. But I got all the pve objectives I wanted anyway, sneaking around in detection reduction gear like a scared little kitty.

I_killed_Vivec

First time I went into Cyrodiil I was going to hand in a quest when I saw an "opponent" already at the quest giver. Being of a chivalrous nature I stood to one side in an unthreatening pose until they finished - wouldn't do to shoot a chap in the back when he's busy, don't you know.

When they'd finished they turned round and killed me - spamming crystal frags.

It wasn't the damage that killed me, it was shock at the lack of etiquette

renne

BoraBora wrote: »

Was recently just questing. Obviously only attacking NPCs. Attacked while doing so. Then I was in a house where you can do those PvE quests for getting Alliance points (doing so because I need those for Horse speed boost as the initial Alliance quest did not give me enough to unlock the passive (nerft??)) Got killed in the building just because I was there. This is so annoying!

Why are there even PvE quests in a PvP zone? Can't I have my PvE instances there? PVP player then can do their conquest the flag, kill <amount x> of other player or play gank and greif the noob, or whatever they think is funny. Yes it is obvious that I have bad experiences with PvP. That's why I prefer PvE or Co-Op play!

I'm assuming you were in Bruma, Cropsford or Vlastarus in which case well of course you got attacked. It's a town that can be flipped by different alliances. I'm not sure why people expect to be able to go into a PvP zone where active PvP happens and be immune to being PvP'd. I'm even less sure why they're surprised when it happens. If I was there to flip the town and I saw a player of another alliance dip out of sight into a building I'd certainly think about going after them because otherwise I'd be expecting them to come up and try and kill me while I'm also fighting the flag NPCs. Which is something PvErs have absolutely done in PvP zones, thinking they'll get a cheeky kill while you're distracted by the NPCs and often get one shot as a result.

Also being a PvE player in a PvP location, getting killed by another player is sure going to feel like ganking, but probably a good 98% of the complaints in these kinds of threads actually aren't "ganking" they're just... you dying really quickly because you're on a PvE build which naturally has very little resistances to PvP damage. It's just that you're not built to take the damage. It's not being ganked, it's just dying because you're squishy. It'd be like going into a vet dungeon with no gear or CP and trying to slap your way through it. Possible, but not a great time.

Same with griefing. If you're there to do a quest and you get killed you're certainly going to feel aggrieved by it and want to accuse the player of griefing, but it's not.

renne

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

First time I went into Cyrodiil I was going to hand in a quest when I saw an "opponent" already at the quest giver. Being of a chivalrous nature I stood to one side in an unthreatening pose until they finished - wouldn't do to shoot a chap in the back when he's busy, don't you know.

When they'd finished they turned round and killed me - spamming crystal frags.

It wasn't the damage that killed me, it was shock at the lack of etiquette

To be fair, you can stand there as unthreateningly as you want, if they don't know you're there (or have got a brief, panicky glimpse of you moving around while they're in the dialogue screen) they might have come out of the dialogue with the quest giver (where you're not exactly given a great view of everything around you and your expectation is that you could be killed at any minute), seen a shield of a different colour and reacted instinctively.

It's extremely common to have that and has zero to do with them not "being of a chivalrous nature" or "etiquette".

opalcity

BlueRaven wrote: »

opalcity wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

The IC skyshards will be the hard to get ones.

I just grabbed all of the IC shards today on my new character. Level 15, in NoCP, and I was in all heavy armour.

Above ground and in the sewers. I just ran to each one, only fighting when I absolutely had to.

Died a few times, but was pretty easy.

Ah! I did not take the under level 50 instance into account. I was thinking of the above 50 cp servers where opposing faction players are more heavily present.

There is no under 50 campaign in Imperial City. Just CP or No-CP. At least on ps4-EU.

ToRelax

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

First time I went into Cyrodiil I was going to hand in a quest when I saw an "opponent" already at the quest giver. Being of a chivalrous nature I stood to one side in an unthreatening pose until they finished - wouldn't do to shoot a chap in the back when he's busy, don't you know.

When they'd finished they turned round and killed me - spamming crystal frags.

It wasn't the damage that killed me, it was shock at the lack of etiquette

Most players inexperienced in Cyrodiil, PvEers or otherwise, will be too shocked to properly take in a situation. It takes some security in one's abilities and maybe just being used to dieing in PvP.

BlueRaven

This is not exactly on topic, but all of this reminds me of an incident I had in cyrodiil in the early days of eso.

I was on an AD character in a delve, by myself, going after the skyshard. I had just killed a delve boss that was next to the skyshard when I heard the sounds of combat behind me.

Fearing I would be attacked before I could get the skyshard I hid in a corner. Two DC players came in. They came near the skyshard and stopped. I am not sure if it was because of the freshly killed delve boss or something else, but they went into stealth themselves.

Soon after two EP players came in going for the same skyshard. The dc players attacked them and a big fight ensued. It resulted in two dead ep players, one dead dc player, with the other dc player badly wounded. The wounded player started rezzing their friend without healing themselves first. Fearing I would be found, or more players showing up, I attacked the dc player, killing them.

I snagged the skyshard, stealthed, and got out of there as fast as I could. I like to think I left two stunned and angry dc players, and two laughing ep players behind.

ice34697

jle30303 wrote: »

I have generally seen there to be an informal truce around fishing nodes in Cyrodiil.

Which is to say that, if you're fishing and someone of an enemy faction walks by, they will either join you in fishing (because that was their reason for being here in the first place and they are probably a PVE player looking for the fishing achievement just like you, otherwise they would be near one of the castles where the real PVP happens) or leave you alone until the fishing hole is fished out.

The MOMENT it's fished out, though, beware... I got murdered the moment I finished a fishing hole and started to move to run to another one, by a character who had stood there letting me fish until the first fishing hole was done... and this was an EP character murdering my DC character at the Ocean fishing holes, of which there are only four and they're all right down near the AD base, so I had to ride all the way back at a later time to complete the achievement...

I guess All is Fair in "Fishing" and War

tmbrinks

There's PVP in the PVP zone....

wear some stealth gear, go slowly. Or just accept that you'll die on occasion. There's literally zero penalty for dying in Cyrodiil. And while you lose some Telvar if you die in IC, if you're not farming for it, you don't have any on you to lose.

Really don't understand the problem...

(...and I'm not really into PVP... ever since the 2 friends of mine who did enjoy it a ton left the game due to it's performance. I enjoyed our 3-man group out there)

BoraBora

tmbrinks wrote: »

There's PVP in the PVP zone....

wear some stealth gear, go slowly. Or just accept that you'll die on occasion. There's literally zero penalty for dying in Cyrodiil. And while you lose some Telvar if you die in IC, if you're not farming for it, you don't have any on you to lose.

Really don't understand the problem...

(...and I'm not really into PVP... ever since the 2 friends of mine who did enjoy it a ton left the game due to it's performance. I enjoyed our 3-man group out there)

Well the issue is that beeing killed cost me time because the respawn location was not mecessarily where I had to go next and I could not pot close to the area as the are was taken by another faction.
And as you know Cyrodiil is quite a big map. So it cost me more time than I thought this journey would take and that was annoying. So theres my issue. So understand it or not. I was annoyed.

I understamd that it is PvP and killing on side is not supposed to be against any form of good behavior. Still if I attacl NPCs even if "enemies" are closed by or I just go in the house where the quest giver is located it is clear that I might have other things in mind than PvP.
I did my very best to show no form of aggressiom and if possible I would have walked arround with a huge wite flag do underline my intentions, But there is no such thing in the game.

If I could farm ALL the shards on the maps (or dungeons), or gain the needed alliance points, in a PvE zone I would glady do that. But unfortunatly the developes have decided to put some of the stuff that is also interesting fir PvE player in a PvP zone.

wolfie1.0.

For the cyrodill skyshards simply wait till the next whitestrake event. Or just be patient.

Also good time to get in is when a campaign resets and all of the scrolls go back to spawn. Then ask for a scroll or akyshard attack on the enemy alliance.

Tbh the most annoying skyshards are still the few that are quest locked.

Also ZOS why is there that one skyshard a top that mountain in cyrodill not in the crown store?

jle30303

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Also ZOS why is there that one skyshard a top that mountain in cyrodill not in the crown store?

The skyshard in the Wailing Prison (Soul Shriven in Coldharbour) is also not in the crown store... all the others are, PROVIDED you get an entire zone's worth of skyshards on one character and gain the achievement.

However...

I have never used crowns to buy skyshards on any character. Or skill lines.

Memory_In_Motion

BoraBora wrote: »

Hello!

First of all: Don't get me wrong. ESO is a MMORPG which means playing in a group is encouraged.
But we also know that ESO made the move towards story content for Single players, MAYBE because the developers realized that a big chunk of their customers are fans of the single player Elder Scroll games, so they might like ESO more if it plays and feels a bit more like those games.
And yes, I am one of them. And I just play ESO to have some Elder Scroll content till I wait for the next Solo player Elder Scroll game.
And yes I play ESO with friends, if possible. But as everyone of us has a job and some have a family and kids, it happens that we end up playing ESO solo.

So while playing solo, I experienced that there is certain content that is simply undoable without playing in a group. And I especially mean those bosses that have a game mechanic that makes them only beatable if you play in a group. That Undead Pirate Captain would be one example.
Then I don' understand why some Sky Shards in Cyrodiil are placed in parts of the map that are close to impossible to reach for solo players.
I have especially 2 in mind that are on the territory of the Ebonheart Pact. The only way you could reach them is if the last 2 gates before their "home bases" would be open. And that might be barely the case and would required pretty much a 24/7 observation, to be there at the right moment.
I mean playing solo already has it's "penalties" like you never get through a dungeon as fast as with a group. And using trading guilds is still the fastest way to make some big piles of gold in a short time.
So I would really appreciate it if any content would be doable solo. It would still not take any benefits away from group play!

Sorry if this sounds saur or I issued an unpopular opinion. So don't troll or bash me to hard, ok? ;-)

I'm playing less than 30 days on this account and i have all the skyshards in the game including the ones behind the enemy gates. The trick is to know which alliance is in control when and go in with that alliance in control of the gates to get the shards. For me, aldmeri is the easiest to get all shards on because that's the time when i play they are on the march. So i do them.

Psijics have a skill called precognition that i read in a thread earlier that is used to break free from crowd control. perhaps you should try that?


also i did a web search before going to cyrodil for sneaky sets that empower sneaking. i bought 5 of one set 4 of another and 3 of yet another. i also used a stage 4 vampire to run invisible as it's more reliable at not being detected than plain sneaking but is hard to control in delves to get past some dogs and spiders without getting caught in a fight.

this was like the second wep page listed on my web search https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/514846/so-for-sneaking-are-these-three-the-best-sets-or-are-there-others-thanks/p1

I bought 5 mothers embrace (that's how i found it in guild traders listings), 4 darloc brae, and 3 night terror. spent about 40k and got mostly purple gear and upgraded what wasn't purple. be sure to transmute it to divines if you can and use the serpent mundus stone. On my templar theres a skill that give me 15% regen boost for one minute. Hit it every minute and you'll never run out of stamina hardly but it will pull you out of stealth to execute it.

I'm sure there's other ways to do this also. find one that suits you. And then you too can run around with the title of cyrodil skyshard hunter. (But why isn't there a title for tamriel skyshard hunter?)

just realized there are also legerdemain buffs that help you sneak as well as champion points that also buff sneaking. Look into those also.

Memory_In_Motion

kieso wrote: »

On the bright side there's so many shards now you dont need every single one.

That's just so wrong.... we needs our preciouses...every ones of thems..

FlopsyPrince

BoraBora wrote: »

Hello!

First of all: Don't get me wrong. ESO is a MMORPG which means playing in a group is encouraged.

That is a common misconception.

An MMO means a large number of players are online at the same time. Nothing requires, even in the name, that they play together!

Too many want the "wonderful old days" where you had to group to accomplish anything.

I can't remember who it was, but one of the streamers I watched over the weekend noted that a great many play together during solo play. Being in a world with others is the attraction, not forced grouping!