Crystal weapon nerf discussion

duckdown

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

NoSkiilz

It’s worse than a regular spammable for PvE (damage wise), I’d wager the same for PvP

YandereGirlfriend

NoSkiilz wrote: »

It’s worse than a regular spammable for PvE (damage wise), I’d wager the same for PvP

No comment on PvE since I haven't done that seriously in ages but in PvP this skill was absolutely over-tuned and completely toxic in the current meta.

WreckfulAbandon

Youre implying that changes will be made in future PTS updates based on feedback from players

Mr_Stach

I would be careful what you ask for, we asked them to increase the duration of Arctic Blast to 10 Seconds, they did and they also increased the duration of all other DoT Abilities to 20s.

You may get what you ask for, but not how you expect

Didgerion

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

NoSkiilz wrote: »

It’s worse than a regular spammable for PvE (damage wise), I’d wager the same for PvP

No comment on PvE since I haven't done that seriously in ages but in PvP this skill was absolutely over-tuned and completely toxic in the current meta.

A class is supposed to have one overperforming skill to compensate for the lack of other skills.
I see nothing wrong for Crystal Weapon being slightly overturned while class healing and ultimates being undertuned.

Now stamsorcs has nothing to work with, they are back to square one on finding skills in other skill lines but the class ones.

xylena_lazarow

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

No comment on PvE since I haven't done that seriously in ages but in PvP this skill was absolutely over-tuned and completely toxic in the current meta.

Heavy damage from 41m range can be pretty obnoxious but the current Bow Sorcs can't instakill and are extremely fragile, not nearly the worst offender. Don't worry, now the entire class has been nuked from the PvP meta.

Tannus15

Crystal weapon is bad now.

It's not just the damage nerf, it's the combination of the bound armament nerf and the dot duration increase. There are not enough skills to alternate with crystal weapon now to take take advantage of the double hit mechanic. this means you need to run 2 spammables so you can cast the 2nd one when you've got nothing else to do.

The result of which is that you're better off just using a different spammable and crystal frags.

Crystal weapon would now be questionable to use if it wasn't nerfed with the change to rotations.

J18696

I dont think this skill justified a nerf at all from its live counterpart maybe a small dmg reduction when used with range weapons nothing more than that

duckdown

Zos is testing with pve mob thts why its crystal wep is op. Try to test in current live server with high mmr battleground. And use stat set not proc set and melee stam sorc. Then u can tell us if crystal wep is op or not.

universal_wrath

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

Youre implying that changes will be made in future PTS updates based on feedback from players

They do listen to feedback, except their responses are far off mark and too far behind. For example, storm atronavh changes, me and other players suggested some of these changes like a year ago. Basically as follows, base skill and morphs all have synrgy affect 4-6 people instead of 1 person including caster. Charged atronach morph does more AOE attacks than it does single target, or change it to mobile air atronach.

Now PTS changes, synrgy affect in 12m radius, charged atronach only does AOE attacks, greater atronach 30% more damage, atronach skill and morphs duration reduced to 15 secs.

We asked for simple changes, but devs always like to add their zos touch and make things worse.

renne

Didgerion wrote: »

A class is supposed to have one overperforming skill to compensate for the lack of other skills.

"Supposed to"? Where does it say that?

universal_wrath

renne wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

A class is supposed to have one overperforming skill to compensate for the lack of other skills.

"Supposed to"? Where does it say that?

That is what makes one thing that makes classes unique. Overpowered skill that is exclusive to one class for unique gameplay or gameplay that revolve around that skill.

Weisstag

Why does it have to have 2 charges is what I don't understand. Keep the damage as it is but revert it to one charge per cast. duhhhh

auz

I agree. It wasn't overpowered when it was a single charge. Just change it back.

Didgerion

renne wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

A class is supposed to have one overperforming skill to compensate for the lack of other skills.

"Supposed to"? Where does it say that?

That's what I observed with the most of the classes. Most of them has something very strong that helps the class to stand out.

Holycannoli

What does stam sorc have now for sorcerer skills? Crit Surge and Hurricane? Crystal Frags maybe in place of Weapons?

It's back to being a Crit Surging weapon skill spammer.

Mr_Stach

Holycannoli wrote: »

What does stam sorc have now for sorcerer skills? Crit Surge and Hurricane? Crystal Frags maybe in place of Weapons?

It's back to being a Crit Surging weapon skill spammer.

Depression. Sorcs special thing is Depression. It used to just be a Warden thing but now you have it too I guess.

katorga

Crystal weapon now takes two GCD to deliver the same damage that other classes' skills do in one GCD.

It is tied to light attacks which are completely nerfed.

Dead skill.

JustAGoodPlayer

duckdown wrote: »

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

It is skill in psijick skill line - why sorcs skill have to be 2 times better ?

Didgerion

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

duckdown wrote: »

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

It is skill in psijick skill line - why sorcs skill have to be 2 times better ?

It was slightly better but definitely not 2 times better.
Elemental Weapon is a skill that is used only by the classes that doesn't have a good spammable.
Have you seen a NB to use Elemental Weapon over Surprise Attack?
Or have you seen a DK using that over Whip?

Did you read the balance notes?, that's how they balance sorc spammable:
Crystal Weapon: this ability now does 130% of a ranged spammable attack.

Why not balancing all spammables in the game using that formula then?

danno8

Didgerion wrote: »

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

duckdown wrote: »

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

It is skill in psijick skill line - why sorcs skill have to be 2 times better ?

It was slightly better but definitely not 2 times better.
Elemental Weapon is a skill that is used only by the classes that doesn't have a good spammable.
Have you seen a NB to use Elemental Weapon over Surprise Attack?
Or have you seen a DK using that over Whip?

Did you read the balance notes?, that's how they balance sorc spammable:
Crystal Weapon: this ability now does 130% of a ranged spammable attack.

Why not balancing all spammables in the game using that formula then?

130% over the two attacks, so 65% per LA. Awful.

duckdown

Please man just make crystal wep effect melee and revert the change. It will be dead skill if it goes live.

acastanza_ESO

duckdown wrote: »

Please man just make crystal wep effect melee and revert the change. It will be dead skill if it goes live.

No no no, a thousand times no. MagSorcs NEED Crystal Weapon on a Destro light attacks to be effective AT ALL. Any other "burst" we have is straight up awful damage, or so tied to RNG we're dead before we can line one up. CW is only overperforming on BowSorcs.

drzycki_ESO

duckdown wrote: »

Please man just make crystal wep effect melee and revert the change. It will be dead skill if it goes live.

Don't make it melee range but don't kill it either. The problem with bow Sorcs was because of Savage Werewolf. Don't punish bow users because of an armor set.

Didgerion

danno8 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

duckdown wrote: »

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

It is skill in psijick skill line - why sorcs skill have to be 2 times better ?

It was slightly better but definitely not 2 times better.
Elemental Weapon is a skill that is used only by the classes that doesn't have a good spammable.
Have you seen a NB to use Elemental Weapon over Surprise Attack?
Or have you seen a DK using that over Whip?

Did you read the balance notes?, that's how they balance sorc spammable:
Crystal Weapon: this ability now does 130% of a ranged spammable attack.

Why not balancing all spammables in the game using that formula then?

130% over the two attacks, so 65% per LA. Awful.

No it is 130% per light attack. That's 260% per two light attacks. But that's not the point. They came up with a new metrics now. I dare them to publish the damage of all the skill in Light Attack units then.

danno8

Didgerion wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

JustAGoodPlayer wrote: »

duckdown wrote: »

Zos please make crystal weapon only effect melee range and revert the damage. Its already hard to land LA melee in PVP. The problem is range attack auto targetting that makes crystal wep OP in the hands of those bowsorc.

Now with 41% damage nerf i bet nobody will use this piece of crap anymore.

It is skill in psijick skill line - why sorcs skill have to be 2 times better ?

It was slightly better but definitely not 2 times better.
Elemental Weapon is a skill that is used only by the classes that doesn't have a good spammable.
Have you seen a NB to use Elemental Weapon over Surprise Attack?
Or have you seen a DK using that over Whip?

Did you read the balance notes?, that's how they balance sorc spammable:
Crystal Weapon: this ability now does 130% of a ranged spammable attack.

Why not balancing all spammables in the game using that formula then?

130% over the two attacks, so 65% per LA. Awful.

No it is 130% per light attack. That's 260% per two light attacks. But that's not the point. They came up with a new metrics now. I dare them to publish the damage of all the skill in Light Attack units then.

Ughh ZoS terminology strikes again.

Anyhow, yeah it's very weak compared to Wrecking Blow or Crushing Weapon.

francesinhalover

just replace it with crystal frags, you can call it dark frags, just have it be instant, costs stamina and does less dmg but with some armor pen, there ya go, better than crushi cough cough i mean crystal weapon.