Sorc is a dead class. Thanks ZOS.

acastanza_ESO

Hello?

All this patch has done is take away all the good stamina skills that MagSorcs were using to compensate for their absolutely trash tier PVP performance.
Yes, stam sorcerer was over performing and needed to be nerfed but all this has done was make all sorcerers garbage and not worth running.
Now any semblance of reliable burst that we had by stacking crystal weapon and bound armaments with crushing shock has been absolutely destroyed.
There is literally nothing left. We're back to trying to stacking RNG (frags) that can easily be dodged on top of timed Curses that can easily be kited.
No mention of fixes for streak not working either.

As a MAGsorc main, you going to give me a class change token or should I just quit the game?

jaws343

Indirectly, I think this patch actually helps out Shield sorcs somewhat. The lower light, heavy attack damage, paired with the weaker damage per tick dots, really eases some of the pressure a shield will take in combat. Not a lot, but could be enough to make them a bit more useful again.

Tsunahmie

I'm absolutely disgusted with the patch notes for sorcerer.
Yes. Stamsorc needed a nerf.
The problem is that Magsorc was relying on the EXACT SAME SKILLS for any semblance of reliable damage.
What does Magsorc have left?
The light attack changes really hurts Magsorc. Empowered Overloads are only going to do +1k instead of +40%?
Back to Frags with a nerfed and unreliable procc chance, rolldodgeable etc.
Pet changes: No health buff to matriarch. I tested it today in Cyro. It got killed 5 times in 2 minutes vs !1! towerhumper, making it absolutely dire and unusable.
Magsorc right now is already relying on Sets like the CHANGED Ironblood for survivability or rubbish shields....

Maybe it's time to quit the game cause Nightblades got a massive buff and Magsorc already gets oneshot in 90% of the nightblade scenarios

acastanza_ESO

Its really reaching a point where I don't even want to play anymore.

MagSorc is just completely useless, and they insist on making it worse every patch.

SkaraMinoc

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Pet changes: No health buff to matriarch. I tested it today in Cyro. It got killed 5 times in 2 minutes vs !1! towerhumper, making it absolutely dire and unusable.

Matriarch pet is kill on sight in battlegrounds now. It dies so fast.

jwarren68

I agree with what was said. And while you're at it, ZOS, why don't you nerf the pitiful excuse magsorcs have for heals even more? It's ridiculous - [snip]

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Didgerion

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Hello?

All this patch has done is take away all the good stamina skills that MagSorcs were using to compensate for their absolutely trash tier PVP performance.
Yes, stam sorcerer was over performing and needed to be nerfed but all this has done was make all sorcerers garbage and not worth running.
Now any semblance of reliable burst that we had by stacking crystal weapon and bound armaments with crushing shock has been absolutely destroyed.
There is literally nothing left. We're back to trying to stacking RNG (frags) that can easily be dodged on top of timed Curses that can easily be kited.
No mention of fixes for streak not working either.

As a MAGsorc main, you going to give me a class change token or should I just quit the game?

No one asked ZOS to proc Frags of stamina abilities, mag sorc uses no stamina abilities on front bar, except for Crystal Weapon, and afaik Crystal Weapon cannot proc Crystal Frag, or am I missing something?

acastanza_ESO

Didgerion wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Hello?

All this patch has done is take away all the good stamina skills that MagSorcs were using to compensate for their absolutely trash tier PVP performance.
Yes, stam sorcerer was over performing and needed to be nerfed but all this has done was make all sorcerers garbage and not worth running.
Now any semblance of reliable burst that we had by stacking crystal weapon and bound armaments with crushing shock has been absolutely destroyed.
There is literally nothing left. We're back to trying to stacking RNG (frags) that can easily be dodged on top of timed Curses that can easily be kited.
No mention of fixes for streak not working either.

As a MAGsorc main, you going to give me a class change token or should I just quit the game?

No one asked ZOS to proc Frags of stamina abilities, mag sorc uses no stamina abilities on front bar, except for Crystal Weapon, and afaik Crystal Weapon cannot proc Crystal Frag, or am I missing something?

Crystal weapon replaces Crystal Frags since they're both morphs of the same skill. The only frontbar stam skill that it might've been useful to have Frags proc off of was Bound Armaments - which is completely gutted in this patch and not worth running by anyone anymore.

Tsunahmie

Omg don't get me started on the dark conversion changes....
Channeled and interruptable animation
Low healing and not reliably spammable
On a MAGSORC with an already limited STAM pool the ONLY RELIABLE in-class heal now costs more stam than ever.

What about the Rapid Regen changes?
Still need to test this but at first glance it seems ....wierd? Definitely won't be able to use the AoE version anymore due to the 40% nerf....

Also what's with stamclasses getting their Armour buff from Vigour...freeing up a valuable skillslot ....


Should we be running vigour now as well?


Also STAFFs are getting shafted...10% dmge reduction on light attacks just cause ranged? Commom ZoS....we already do less dmge than melee in PvP and in Pve staffs are NEVER gonna be used just due to how close everyone has to stack in trials.... absolute XD


These patchnotes are to quote Ally Law....a madness!

acastanza_ESO

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Omg don't get me started on the dark conversion changes....
Channeled and interruptable animation
Low healing and not reliably spammable
On a MAGSORC with an already limited STAM pool the ONLY RELIABLE in-class heal now costs more stam than ever.

What about the Rapid Regen changes?
Still need to test this but at first glance it seems ....wierd? Definitely won't be able to use the AoE version anymore due to the 40% nerf....

Also what's with stamclasses getting their Armour buff from Vigour...freeing up a valuable skillslot ....


Should we be running vigour now as well?


Also STAFFs are getting shafted...10% dmge reduction on light attacks just cause ranged? Commom ZoS....we already do less dmge than melee in PvP and in Pve staffs are NEVER gonna be used just due to how close everyone has to stack in trials.... absolute XD


These patchnotes are to quote Ally Law....a madness!

Sorcerers already had the worst self-heals in the game. What are they thinking? Why do they hate sorcerer so much?
Seriously, give us anything? The class is literally F tier at this point.

Faulgor

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Omg don't get me started on the dark conversion changes....
Channeled and interruptable animation
Low healing and not reliably spammable
On a MAGSORC with an already limited STAM pool the ONLY RELIABLE in-class heal now costs more stam than ever.

What about the Rapid Regen changes?
Still need to test this but at first glance it seems ....wierd? Definitely won't be able to use the AoE version anymore due to the 40% nerf....

Also what's with stamclasses getting their Armour buff from Vigour...freeing up a valuable skillslot ....


Should we be running vigour now as well?


Also STAFFs are getting shafted...10% dmge reduction on light attacks just cause ranged? Commom ZoS....we already do less dmge than melee in PvP and in Pve staffs are NEVER gonna be used just due to how close everyone has to stack in trials.... absolute XD


These patchnotes are to quote Ally Law....a madness!

Sorcerers already had the worst self-heals in the game. What are they thinking? Why do they hate sorcerer so much?
Seriously, give us anything? The class is literally F tier at this point.

Well, they buffed Lightning Splash.
As for healing, the reduction in DoT tick frequency will also really screw healing from Surge as well. After all the nerfs to crit chance, the skill has also never been adjusted.

jaws343

Faulgor wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Omg don't get me started on the dark conversion changes....
Channeled and interruptable animation
Low healing and not reliably spammable
On a MAGSORC with an already limited STAM pool the ONLY RELIABLE in-class heal now costs more stam than ever.

What about the Rapid Regen changes?
Still need to test this but at first glance it seems ....wierd? Definitely won't be able to use the AoE version anymore due to the 40% nerf....

Also what's with stamclasses getting their Armour buff from Vigour...freeing up a valuable skillslot ....


Should we be running vigour now as well?


Also STAFFs are getting shafted...10% dmge reduction on light attacks just cause ranged? Commom ZoS....we already do less dmge than melee in PvP and in Pve staffs are NEVER gonna be used just due to how close everyone has to stack in trials.... absolute XD


These patchnotes are to quote Ally Law....a madness!

Sorcerers already had the worst self-heals in the game. What are they thinking? Why do they hate sorcerer so much?
Seriously, give us anything? The class is literally F tier at this point.

Well, they buffed Lightning Splash.
As for healing, the reduction in DoT tick frequency will also really screw healing from Surge as well. After all the nerfs to crit chance, the skill has also never been adjusted.

I think the boundless change is the biggest hit for Surge, but I also think, as long as your dots are staggered by 1 second, you should be able to get a crit surge proc once per second still if your crit is right.

AdamLAD

Hello ? Zenimax are you there ? Can we get a buff to Sheilds please ? Maybe an undodgeable frag ? Pretty please ? All in all though Im glad oakensoul got destroyed. Its a buff for me LOL.

Didgerion

Also I started to play a stam

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

Hello?

All this patch has done is take away all the good stamina skills that MagSorcs were using to compensate for their absolutely trash tier PVP performance.
Yes, stam sorcerer was over performing and needed to be nerfed but all this has done was make all sorcerers garbage and not worth running.
Now any semblance of reliable burst that we had by stacking crystal weapon and bound armaments with crushing shock has been absolutely destroyed.
There is literally nothing left. We're back to trying to stacking RNG (frags) that can easily be dodged on top of timed Curses that can easily be kited.
No mention of fixes for streak not working either.

As a MAGsorc main, you going to give me a class change token or should I just quit the game?

No one asked ZOS to proc Frags of stamina abilities, mag sorc uses no stamina abilities on front bar, except for Crystal Weapon, and afaik Crystal Weapon cannot proc Crystal Frag, or am I missing something?

Crystal weapon replaces Crystal Frags since they're both morphs of the same skill. The only frontbar stam skill that it might've been useful to have Frags proc off of was Bound Armaments - which is completely gutted in this patch and not worth running by anyone anymore.

IK, it was a sarcasm lol.
I don't think many magsorcs used Bound Armaments. I for one used Bound Aegis for 8% magica buff.

acastanza_ESO

Title updated after continuing to read the patch notes. Thanks ZOS. You've completely gutted all damage from Sorc. Good job.

Glantir

We had an Formula One car, now we get a Bicycle lol

olsborg

Shields are weak now, HoTs is the way to go, even after these recent changes, but magsorc relies heavily on regeneration from restostaff, and thats getting alot weaker now. Magsorc either needs a class HoT or burst heal(without cast time) or something to make conjured ward much, much better for defence then currently.
A shield will do very little for you if you are low health ie in execute range, a HoT or a heal will bring you out of danger.
I dunno why you nerfed tormentor, nobody i know uses it and i rarely see that morph ever used. Same with the atronach.

WrathOfInnos

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 38% nerf to Bound Armaments mean that the proc deals about the same damage as the average spammable. Actually less per cast because you have to do the zero-damage cast to start the proc, which no longer buffs light attacks for the duration.

xylena_lazarow

Savage Werewolf is replaceable, but they really took a dump on Crystal Wep, Bound Armaments, and Resolving Vigor. What does PvP Sorc even have left at this point? Streak and... ?

washbern

They needed a pvp target dummy

Jaimeh

Wow, so they finally nerfed sorc after 8 years... Tbh coming from someone who played an underperforming spec for years, it doesn't matter: it will pick up in the next updates, and in the meantime good sorcs will still find a way to do decently.

acastanza_ESO

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Savage Werewolf is replaceable, but they really took a dump on Crystal Wep, Bound Armaments, and Resolving Vigor. What does PvP Sorc even have left at this point? Streak and... ?

Negate. Which doesn't even affect the stam skills that most groups are running now. It's a sick joke.
Sorc has nothing left.

Priyasekarssk

I already posted mage sorc is dead 3 years back. No one listened. Zos balance team is completely biased. I would advice to choose Nightblade. I see many zos employees are only playing Nightblade. Ironically I see mage sorc barely do any damage. Until @FENGRUSH playing Stam sorc might be playable. They cannot lose fengrush.
Mage sorc is already dead 3 year’s ago. Nerf of mage sorc and buff of Nightblade is what destroyed pvp population in eso. Especially during imperial city events Nightblade only job is to stomp enemy base with zero telwvars. Zero risk . High reward.

[snip] I am not sure why and how mage sorc is S tier. In my opinion it’s cannon fodder class. If not negate it has no place anywhere in eso. Stam sorc can put better negate than mage sorc. Especially in pvp it’s not even viable to play. [snip] As end result eso population gone down so hard. In steam population charts it’s not even in top 50. In mmo population it went down below 10. Even games released before eso have healthy population. It’s barely a dead game with no redemption in sight.

I would suggest level a Nightblade , other class. Mage sorc is dead 3 years back. Now it’s already in mourning stage. All fun elements of the class removed. Mage sorc skills are bugged and never fixed for several years. Even now mage sorc viable to play only because of unintentionally they buffed crystal weapon to bring back some streamers for stam sorc.

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fizzylu

Tsunahmie wrote: »

Also STAFFs are getting shafted...10% dmge reduction on light attacks just cause ranged? Commom ZoS....we already do less dmge than melee in PvP and in Pve staffs are NEVER gonna be used just due to how close everyone has to stack in trials.... absolute XD

The 10% damage reduction on ranged light attacks is complete nonsense. I've said for awhile now that being "range" is a lie. With the flat speed/mobility players can get, the amount of gap closers, and with hybridization melee builds have even more access to range abilities themselves.... being a "ranged" build, especially a magicka one, really doesn't give you any sort of advantage so such a nerf specifically to ranged light attacks is just entirely [snip]

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katorga

Dead class.

So is necro.

AdamLAD

Some "good sorcs" will now not be good. Even some God Sorcs will drop down a tier if they haven't already. Both stam and mag. I think zenimax has finally gotten Sorcerer to where they want it.

Tannus15

crystal weapon is dead as is.

firstly it nerf is huge. if you're not getting 2 hits per cast then you're in trouble.
secondly all the dot duration increases means there are less things to do apart from the spammable, so there are less opportunities to something other than crystal weapon spam
thirdly bound armaments is nerfed into the ground and it no longer provides a good passive to light attack damage
fourth with BA sucking you really want frag proc back, which you can't get with CW obviously

the additional flow on affects of this patch is that spammable cost is the most important part of your build. the dot duration increase means you're casting more spammables than every before, so you really want to match your armour type to your spammable for cost reduction.
this means if you want to run medium armour you really want a stam spammable and vice versa for magicka builds
this means the medium armour sorc you want a stam spammable and CW now sucks so crushing weapon i guess?

Tsunahmie

AdamLAD wrote: »

Some "good sorcs" will now not be good. Even some God Sorcs will drop down a tier if they haven't already. Both stam and mag. I think zenimax has finally gotten Sorcerer to where they want it.

Malcolmx quit Magsorc with High Isle btw and he is one of the absolute best.
With these changes, his builds are absolete as well because they relied on Stamina skills due to how dogturd mag versions are

SpiralStorm4

Sigh...Just...Sigh!!

I used to have a slight-And I do mean SLIGHT-confidence in my Stam-Sorc setup. I was even considering trying to take on a world boss ALONE, with only my Matriarch and a companion at my side. I guess I better think twice about it now, huh?

Mr_Stach

Warden's Say Hi, Welcome to the dead club

shadyjane62

Templars will join you in the grave, so dig wider.