Buff or Nerf Oakensoul

ArcVelarian

Leave Oakensoul as it is

Balance PvE and PvP separately.

JonnAndCo

Leave Oakensoul as it is

If they must change something, replace Major Heroism with something equivalent. Anything else will be disappointing.

merpins

Leave Oakensoul as it is

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Remove the major heroism & courage buffs or make it inactive in areas of that use battle spirit.

It doesn't need a nerf in PVE, and if you remove courage or berzerk, it'll be replaced by Sea Serpent's Coil.
If you make it completely inactive in PVP, then the people that need the ring will be SOL in PVP.

Best bet, either remove Heroism while in PVP, or just remove herosim entirely. But again, it doesn't need a pve nerf: builds that use the ring do 20-30% less DPS than optimal builds even with Heroism in PVE.

merpins

Leave Oakensoul as it is

ArcVelarian wrote: »

Balance PvE and PvP separately.

this. It's fine in PVE, but overtuned in PVP. the ring pretty much summarizes the fact that PVP and PVE needs to be balanced separately.

merpins

Leave Oakensoul as it is

JonnAndCo wrote: »

If they must change something, replace Major Heroism with something equivalent. Anything else will be disappointing.

They could remove heroism and it wouldn't hurt the ring too bad. PVE doesn't need a nerf, and it would lower the DPS of the ring in PVE if it's removed which would sting a bit. It should just be balanced separately in pve and pvp honestly, but if they did remove it, it doesn't really need anything to replace it. But it would be funny to be replaced with major expedition lol.

Aardappelboom

Leave Oakensoul as it is

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Aardappelboom wrote: »

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

leave it alone.

the other pattern is there will always be people complaining that something is op. nerf this and it will be something else - it is constant.

If you watch the pattern over the years... you recognize this as stronger than the other mythics they previously nerfed or changed. Malacath and pale order are still useable, so is the torc.

They overtune these things to sell them. This time, they over did it with the lead grind on an item that was warned to be too much from pts testers.

I saw this pattern again and decided to pass on it this time. This must be a power budget outlier in no proc campaigns. It's made waves in the GH campaign. Turn Heroism into Slayer. Pvp players have used trial gears with it before if they liked the gear enough.

I've seen class buffs, including the sorc buff recently thate are way more OP then this ring, the ring works a bit too good with certain combinations but that's a class problem, not a mythic problem.

I tried the ring and it works pretty well in PVP, it makes things easier but I really miss a second bar.

You loose a backbar set and 5 skills, including a second ultimate for flexibility, that's a pretty big sacrifice.

No you haven't. There is math involved here that proves you have not seen class buffs that exceed what Oakensoul does.

Well of course there's math involved. but I do admit that using OP might have been a bad choice of words, to be clear, I'm not a fan of any nerfs in PVP (to oakensoul or any class) but let me explain why I said what I said.

What I mean is that dual bar builds can still put out a lot (more) damage while maintaining plenty of defense and healing, especially after recent buffs, like sorc and DK before it (and still) which allow for builds and playstyles that perform a lot better when compared to Oakensoul.

After using it for this short period, and I have to admit that I still need time to experiment. But I still feel that while the set makes playing a lot easier, you sacrifice important skills that make for more strategic gameplay, for me Oakensoul is hit or miss, more of a go in hard and hope you win kind of gameplay. And yes, mathmatically you get alot out of this ring but in the end there's a lot more to the PVP equation than just math, combined with moveability, added healing/shielding and certain passive combinations classes are definitely performing (some would say overperforming, hence the use of OP) way better than using Oakensoul in certain builds. And while that is as it should be, it's a stretch to say that Oakensoul is OP.

I had to give up a stun, a defensive ultimate two healing skills and major fracture to have just enough of everything and make it work.

So yeah, It's good, you get a lot of buffs but it's not the best thing in the game, any good dual bar player still has plenty of advantages, not to mention groups of PVP "experts". So I say just leave it.

But to be honest, why I really hope it stays the way it is, and why I'm a bit bummed by your reply. Is that this ring might
bring in a few players that get as excited about PVP as I am, for the last couple of years PVP has been dominated by hybrid tanky/healing builds that still hit hard when nescessary. It's truly dominated, both in game and on these forums by an elite group of diehard players that have a very clear idea of how PVP should be.
(and to be clear, I'm not saying there is any toxicity, this is a great community but there is a certain view on PVP that is hard to break through). And to be honesr, it often sucks for beginners, these builds were practically immortal unless you knew what you were doing. This ring, while frustrating for me as well at times (I still prefer dual bar), breaks the standard gameplay of the last couple of updates, and I like that.

kypranb14_ESO

Buff Oakensoul

I picked the comedic option.

AvalonRanger

Other

Please stop patching up basic game flaw by mythic gear.
It's a amateur game design. :'( Keep it more professional work.

TaSheen

Leave Oakensoul as it is

AvalonRanger wrote: »

Please stop patching up basic game flaw by mythic gear.
It's a amateur game design. :'( Keep it more professional work.

So I guess if you find it unprofessional, perhaps you should not be playing the game?

PDarkBHood

Leave Oakensoul as it is

Make it a ring of strategic importance. I may be over emphasizing its importance, but why not. I really like many of these suggestions. It is obvious that we can nerf Oakensoul without really nerfing Oakensoul. As stated in other post, add penalties to the Oakensoul ring (fine, reduce major heroism to minor heroism, and add Major Slayer and Major Aegis, other than that keep it as-is). And make the penalties grow exponentially and independent of groups. For example, if 4 players are wearing Oakensoul within a 250 meter radius it looses its luster, and applies a 10% reduction of its abilities to these players. If 5 players are wearing Oakensoul within a 250 meter radius you apply a 40% reduction. The damage would go up for each additional player wearing Oakensoul within the radius by 10%. And these penalties and the radius doubles in PVP to a point if there are too many players are wearing Oakensoul, the ring will have no power within a 500m area. You can even create a lore around the ring. The Oakensoul ring is so powerful, that it cancels it own power when it is near other Oakensoul rings. You get the idea, and these numbers can be increases or decreased. Crazy idea(s), but it is better than nerfing the ring outright when so many people are benefitting from it.

If we include penalties in wearing the Oakensoul ring and enforce these penalties irrespective of which side the player is on, it then become an additional strategy. You are now forced to have a certain number of players to wear the Oakensoul ring in PVP in order to mitigate the 'potential of Oakensoul' on the other side and all within the 500 meter radius.

mochizx

Leave Oakensoul as it is

1. it's balanced in pve
2. it needs adjustment in pvp

solution: balance the ring around the battle spirit, stop punishing solo pver or ppl that rely on this ring to participate certain contents and stop people abusing this mythic in pvp for certain builds.

Ingenon

VaranisArano wrote: »

What I'd like to see is irrelevant.

What's going to happen if ZOS follows their recurring habit is that Oakensoul will be joining Thrassians Stranglers, Ring of the Pale Order, Malacath's Band of Brutality, and Harpooners Wading Kilt in the "Club of Mythic Items who got Nerfed once their Chapter wasn't Brand New."

I mean...it's a pattern now.

What I'd like to see is ZOS commit to balancing Mythic Items right the first time, instead of releasing Items only to nerf them an update or two later when it turns out the PTS warnings were correct.

But that would mean less sales from people who want those exclusive Mythic Items for the two-three months where they're powerful, so it won't happen.

I agree that this is a recurring pattern. Put OP Mythic Item in newest chapter as an incentive for folks to buy the chapter, and then nerf the OP Mythic Item an update or two later. ZOS, please stop doing this, and find another way to get folks to buy the newest chapter.

Sarannah

Leave Oakensoul as it is

Keep oakensoul as it currently is on live, all major buffs!

Just disable mythics in PvP completely, or this crap will happen on the next new mythic again and again. This balancing around PvP also means mythics can't actually be as they are named: Mythic! These items are supposed to be more powerful, yet it is only PvP which destroys this entire branch of items again and again! Which takes all the fun out of having or even getting these items.

PvP is negatively impacting an entire branch of items, this should never happen!

Dawnblade

Leave Oakensoul as it is

Since it is mostly a one-trick pony, very strong for sure, but not an auto "I WIN" button, and since they put it behind a paywall and an obnoxious grind, it should stay as it is for the foreseeable future.

At most, disable or remove some majors in PVP CP-off campaigns.

I think a lot of the 'hate' are from those that don't want or can't buy High Isles for whatever reason (I don't like the paywall either but it is what it is), those that got beat by someone using it, and those 'leet' players with full meta builds and gold gear that see it as bringing 'lesser' players closer to themselves in power.

BXR_Lonestar

Leave Oakensoul as it is

Leave it as is. If it needs a nerf, make it so that some of the more problematic buffs are deactivated when Battle Spirit is active so that it is not a problem in PVP.

barney2525

Other

Buff or Nerf or Leave it as is ....

The Answer is .... Yes

OsUfi

Nerf Oakensoul

Either Battlespirit or nerf.

I deffo fall into the category of needing Oakysoul. I'm old, my reactions have always been bad, I can't follow simple rotations to save myself. But holy heck, this thing makes me feel like a god swatting flies everywhere.

Bekkael

Buff Oakensoul

Buff all the things! I miss being godlike by the time I reached endgame in normal RPGs, so let's have a taste of that for PVE!

I also think they should create a separate mythic item/s that are designed specifically for PVP; that way everyone can have nice things.

Dysturbed

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

nerf/disable it in pvp

This .. Leave it alone for pve so us older people that have problems with our hands get the benefit to help us play.

MEBengalsFan2001

Other

ADarklore wrote: »

I would hope that after all the struggles people went through to actually GET this ring, that they wouldn't nerf it... but this is ZOS, it's what they do. They buff an item when it comes out, and then nerf it a month or two later after people have spent HOURS, if DAYS, of their lives just trying to acquire it. Besides, hearing the stories of people who are disabled and have truly been helped by this ring, I would hope that for once they'd do the right thing and leave it alone.

Struggle to get it? Are you seriously stating this? It took me 1 day to get my scrying/excavation skill to level 7. It took me less than 3 hours to get all the leads and get my ring. Not sure what you mean by struggle?

The ring needs to be adjusted. It is to strong in PVE and PVP.

Dem_kitkats1

Other

Remove Major Heroism and Courage and replace it with Aegis/Slayer to keep it relevant in PvE

joerginger

Leave Oakensoul as it is

"Leave that thing alone" in PvE and do whatever with it for PvP through Battle Spirit.

Living_Tribunal

No mythics in pvp.
Done.
Problem solved.

jtm1018

Buff Oakensoul

Give it all the major buffs and remove all the minor buffs.

dem0n1k

YES! Remove all mythics from PVP please!



(I didn't buy the mythic chapter) LOL

WinterHeart626

Leave Oakensoul as it is

BalticBlues wrote: »

OAKENSOAL - THE MOST OP ITEM EVER - PURE PAY-TO-WIN

• OAKENSOAL GIVES SOLO PLAYERS THE BUFFS OF A RAID TEAM.
• No need anymore to pause attacks for re-buffs
• No need anymore to have a proper rotation
• Ultimate is ready superfast
• Even the original Malacath-Ring (later nerfed) looks pale against Oakensoal.

Devs, what were you thinking?
Quotes from Deltia (from attached video):

• "Oakensoal is ABSOLUTELY [...] INSANE in PvP"
• "Like a WALKING GUN"
• "SUPER GOD MODE in PvP"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkvlF5mecg

[/quote]

I’m just going to pick on the “SUPER GOD MODE IN PVP” part.

I wore the ring in pvp, I certainly did NOT have god mode, because in truth, I actually SUCK at pvp.
Where the “GODMODE” comes in, is when experienced pvp players utilise it to face roll and stomp.
Pvp is always like this- new thing comes out, it’s awesome> pvp players obtain it and use it> pvp players who don’t have it, or don’t want to get it end up pub stomped because adaptation goes out the window due to new shiny> small minority cries for nerf> nerf happens> PVE players get done up the duff.

I swear, we could strip pvp players down to loin cloths, and arm them with sticks, with no skills, no buffs, no anything. Just a stick. And some one out there will cry “THAT STICK IS OVERPOWERED IT NEEDS NERF”!!! Because they’re getting steamrolled by a player who’s more experienced.

EdmondDontes

Nerf Oakensoul

PvP players are not the problem. Stop it.

WinterHeart626

Leave Oakensoul as it is

EdmondDontes wrote: »

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

OAKENSOAL - THE MOST OP ITEM EVER - PURE PAY-TO-WIN

• OAKENSOAL GIVES SOLO PLAYERS THE BUFFS OF A RAID TEAM.
• No need anymore to pause attacks for re-buffs
• No need anymore to have a proper rotation
• Ultimate is ready superfast
• Even the original Malacath-Ring (later nerfed) looks pale against Oakensoal.

Devs, what were you thinking?
Quotes from Deltia (from attached video):

• "Oakensoal is ABSOLUTELY [...] INSANE in PvP"
• "Like a WALKING GUN"
• "SUPER GOD MODE in PvP"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkvlF5mecg

I’m just going to pick on the “SUPER GOD MODE IN PVP” part.

I wore the ring in pvp, I certainly did NOT have god mode, because in truth, I actually SUCK at pvp.
Where the “GODMODE” comes in, is when experienced pvp players utilise it to face roll and stomp.
Pvp is always like this- new thing comes out, it’s awesome> pvp players obtain it and use it> pvp players who don’t have it, or don’t want to get it end up pub stomped because adaptation goes out the window due to new shiny> small minority cries for nerf> nerf happens> PVE players get done up the duff.

I swear, we could strip pvp players down to loin cloths, and arm them with sticks, with no skills, no buffs, no anything. Just a stick. And some one out there will cry “THAT STICK IS OVERPOWERED IT NEEDS NERF”!!! Because they’re getting steamrolled by a player who’s more experienced.

PvP players are not the problem. Stop it. [/quote]

Not ALL pvp players are the problem. It’s the minority who cry that things are busted therefore scream for nerfs.
The ring was in a good spot for PVE.

jaws343

Nerf Oakensoul

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

OAKENSOAL - THE MOST OP ITEM EVER - PURE PAY-TO-WIN

• OAKENSOAL GIVES SOLO PLAYERS THE BUFFS OF A RAID TEAM.
• No need anymore to pause attacks for re-buffs
• No need anymore to have a proper rotation
• Ultimate is ready superfast
• Even the original Malacath-Ring (later nerfed) looks pale against Oakensoal.

Devs, what were you thinking?
Quotes from Deltia (from attached video):

• "Oakensoal is ABSOLUTELY [...] INSANE in PvP"
• "Like a WALKING GUN"
• "SUPER GOD MODE in PvP"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkvlF5mecg

I’m just going to pick on the “SUPER GOD MODE IN PVP” part.

I wore the ring in pvp, I certainly did NOT have god mode, because in truth, I actually SUCK at pvp.
Where the “GODMODE” comes in, is when experienced pvp players utilise it to face roll and stomp.
Pvp is always like this- new thing comes out, it’s awesome> pvp players obtain it and use it> pvp players who don’t have it, or don’t want to get it end up pub stomped because adaptation goes out the window due to new shiny> small minority cries for nerf> nerf happens> PVE players get done up the duff.

I swear, we could strip pvp players down to loin cloths, and arm them with sticks, with no skills, no buffs, no anything. Just a stick. And some one out there will cry “THAT STICK IS OVERPOWERED IT NEEDS NERF”!!! Because they’re getting steamrolled by a player who’s more experienced.

PvP players are not the problem. Stop it.

Not ALL pvp players are the problem. It’s the minority who cry that things are busted therefore scream for nerfs.
The ring was in a good spot for PVE.

You do realize that, when talking about a set on PTS (which is where PVP players were already saying this set would be completely broken), the majority of players who "cry" for nerfs are literally the players who intend to use the sets to dominate with.

They are attempting to pre-nerf themselves because they actually know how combat in the game works and how to successfully use the set to take advantage of that. They are the only players who even attempt to have ZOS reign in sets before they can abuse them.

Then, those sets go live as is, and the rest of the players come out of the woodwork and complain that they are too strong. But the players who are using them already raised that red flag and were ignored.

Toxic_Hemlock

Other

Other...

Separate the game modes = leave it as it is in PvE, reduce it to the current PTS in PvP.

Job done go home and have a beer!