People resigning in the last few seconds of ToT

NeKryXe · June 2022

So they spent lots of hours in maintenance today and the damn bug on ToT not counting a resign as a loss, that have been exploited by most players for two weeks, remains. Impressive! First ToT game I played after the maintenance I got to deal immediately with one of those losers exploiting this bug. It still takes dozens of victories to get 1 victory that counts on the daily quest. This is horrendous! It's ruining the game.

Oddemus · June 2022

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

NeKryXe · June 2022

Oddemus wrote: »

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

I said "in last few seconds".

In the beginning it doesn't make much difference. At my account, and most (as I know) when someone quits it doesn't count on the daily quest. So, since it becomes known, many players quit right before the winning player reaches 40, so it doesn't count. It's now happening a lot. Sometimes you spend 20 minutes in the game and when it's almost over, the loser quits and nothing is counted on the daily quest.

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

NeeScrolls · June 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

Incorrect. They actually did something --> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans ...but it remains to be seen whether or not the fix was ENOUGH (yet) .

So far, you are the only person to report (on the forums) that today's hotfix isn't working properly. It would be nice to get a bit more feedback from other players before declaring sarcasm & venom toward @ZOS_ Devs imo.
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virtus753 · June 2022

NeeScrolls wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

Incorrect. They actually did something --> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans ...but it remains to be seen whether or not the fix was ENOUGH (yet) .

So far, you are the only person to report (on the forums) that today's hotfix isn't working properly. It would be nice to get a bit more feedback from other players before declaring sarcasm & venom toward @ZOS_ Devs imo.

That link seems to describe the opposite problem: that players are forcing their *opponents* to forfeit somehow. This complaint is that people waiting until the last minute to forfeit take the “win” credit away from the winner, not that they make the imminent winner forfeit.

SteamKitten01 · June 2022

NeeScrolls wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

Incorrect. They actually did something --> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans ...but it remains to be seen whether or not the fix was ENOUGH (yet) .

So far, you are the only person to report (on the forums) that today's hotfix isn't working properly. It would be nice to get a bit more feedback from other players before declaring sarcasm & venom toward @ZOS_ Devs imo.
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If you read the link on the ban/hotfix, it has nothing to do with people forfeiting when they are losing but is rather about some sort of exploit where people could force THEIR OPPONENT to forfeit, guaranteeing themselves a win.

Ingenon · June 2022

I think the exploit they hot-fixed earlier today is related to this: "We recently discovered an exploit involving Tales of Tribute where performing certain actions would guarantee a win by forcing your opponent to forfeit."

I think the OP is talking about something different. Folks resigning after playing for many minutes, and when they are behind in the score. And the OP is saying the game does not count a resign as a loss.

I'm fine with the game allowing folks to resign in the first few seconds of a game, without it being counted as a loss. I'm not fine with playing for 20 minutes and being ahead in the score, as the OP has posted, and having my opponent resign, and the game doesn't count the resign as their loss.

NeeScrolls · June 2022

Ingenon wrote: »

I think the OP is talking about something different. Folks resigning after playing for many minutes, and when they are behind in the score. And the OP is saying the game does not count a resign as a loss. .

hmm ok, my mistake then.

wolfie1.0. · June 2022

Ingenon wrote: »

I think the exploit they hot-fixed earlier today is related to this: "We recently discovered an exploit involving Tales of Tribute where performing certain actions would guarantee a win by forcing your opponent to forfeit."

I think the OP is talking about something different. Folks resigning after playing for many minutes, and when they are behind in the score. And the OP is saying the game does not count a resign as a loss.

I'm fine with the game allowing folks to resign in the first few seconds of a game, without it being counted as a loss. I'm not fine with playing for 20 minutes and being ahead in the score, as the OP has posted, and having my opponent resign, and the game doesn't count the resign as their loss.

There needs to be a way to concede the win of the opponent and have it count both ways.

Most of the time it's probably not people trying to exploit, it's most likely just someone wanting to move on to the next game.

In every competive card game tournament I have played, online and in person, a resignation of a player counts as a lose for the person that conceded the match and a win for the other player.

Oddemus · June 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

Oddemus wrote: »

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

I said "in last few seconds".

In the beginning it doesn't make much difference. At my account, and most (as I know) when someone quits it doesn't count on the daily quest. So, since it becomes known, many players quit right before the winning player reaches 40, so it doesn't count. It's now happening a lot. Sometimes you spend 20 minutes in the game and when it's almost over, the loser quits and nothing is counted on the daily quest.

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

I've been disconnected several times toward the ending of games. Perhaps they are being disconnected? Others have been facing issues with d/c or blank boards, too. I have a thread opened in the ToT forum section.

NeKryXe · June 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Most of the time it's probably not people trying to exploit, it's most likely just someone wanting to move on to the next game.

I can understand when it's taking too long and someone wants to move on. In those cases usually the players send a message in chat assuming the loss and asking to finish it fast. There's no problem with it. But right in the last round, sometimes when we even reached 39... it's just exploiting the bug to punish the winner. Anyway, we only can blame Zos. As you said, "a resignation of a player counts as a lose" [...] "in every competitive card game tournament". That's for sure. And even after PTS and three weeks reporting this, which is ultra easy to fix... it's pathetic to see this problem still going on and no know report about the will to fix it.

We should need to win just 3 times to complete the Dueling Tributes quest, but as it is now, we need to win sometimes about 30 times.

NeKryXe · June 2022

Oddemus wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

Oddemus wrote: »

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

I said "in last few seconds".

In the beginning it doesn't make much difference. At my account, and most (as I know) when someone quits it doesn't count on the daily quest. So, since it becomes known, many players quit right before the winning player reaches 40, so it doesn't count. It's now happening a lot. Sometimes you spend 20 minutes in the game and when it's almost over, the loser quits and nothing is counted on the daily quest.

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

I've been disconnected several times toward the ending of games. Perhaps they are being disconnected? Others have been facing issues with d/c or blank boards, too. I have a thread opened in the ToT forum section.

Most of the time we can perfectly understand why a player quits. And this is not something happening now. It's happening since the bug got known.

Finedaible · June 2022

How's them PTS-tested preorders coming along? lol.

ZOS_Icy · June 2022

Greetings,

This thread has been moved to the Bug Reports section, as it is better suited there.

Thank you for your understanding.

NeKryXe · June 2022

ZOS_Icy wrote: »

Greetings,

This thread has been moved to the Bug Reports section, as it is better suited there.

Thank you for your understanding.

Is this going to be fixed?

Gaebriel0410 · June 2022

So that's why my opponents started to resign on the last turn once I reached Rubedite rank.

I managed to win three matches when reaching that rank, but each opponent resigned at the last turn, I noticed my ranking didn't go up either because of that, so I thought it was a bug with the ranking system itself as well.

So whenever i played since then I just played unranked for my daily, just so it registered as a win if I won.
But yeah resigning really should count as a loss for the player who resigns.

NeuroticPixels · June 2022

Yeah. I made my own thread about this a few days ago. People conceding is getting really popular, and making the ToT pvp daily nearly impossible to complete.

MreeBiPolar · June 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

Oddemus wrote: »

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

I said "in last few seconds".

In the beginning it doesn't make much difference. At my account, and most (as I know) when someone quits it doesn't count on the daily quest. So, since it becomes known, many players quit right before the winning player reaches 40, so it doesn't count. It's now happening a lot. Sometimes you spend 20 minutes in the game and when it's almost over, the loser quits and nothing is counted on the daily quest.

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

Did it even occur to you that people might not be aware that resigning won't count as a win to the other player and just concede the match when they see they are clearly losing to not waste time -- as it is pretty customary in every single card game?

Marginis · June 2022

So that's why I still have 0 wins on my record even though I've never lost a competitive match...

NeKryXe · June 2022

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

NeKryXe wrote: »

Oddemus wrote: »

People resigning right away is them exploiting a bug?

I ask because someone got into a game with me and quit right away. I thought it was a d/c unloaded screen.

As I typed this, my opponent actually just left.... 10-0.. This one did count as a win while that other one didn't.

I said "in last few seconds".

In the beginning it doesn't make much difference. At my account, and most (as I know) when someone quits it doesn't count on the daily quest. So, since it becomes known, many players quit right before the winning player reaches 40, so it doesn't count. It's now happening a lot. Sometimes you spend 20 minutes in the game and when it's almost over, the loser quits and nothing is counted on the daily quest.

This bug has been reported for days intensively and they didn't do anything today to fix it.

Did it even occur to you that people might not be aware that resigning won't count as a win to the other player and just concede the match when they see they are clearly losing to not waste time -- as it is pretty customary in every single card game?

Nope. Not at all. Why would anyone resign before the very last turn and get a penalty of 10 minutes instead of just wait 10 seconds? It doesn't make any sense.

This is how most of my games ends lately. So... Do you really believe that many people leave at this point of the game to not waste a few seconds? Yeah! Right!

DinoZavr · June 2022

Not quite often, but like in 20% .. 30% in my humble experience.
What else would you expect? Fair play? Please, don't be naive.
There are always some players, who feel happier when they skrew others in ANY mmo, ESO included.
I also don't like it, but how do you change random strangers' manners?
Not the ESO issue, but just players' psychology. No countermeasures available, i am afraid.

NeKryXe · June 2022

DinoZavr wrote: »

Not quite often, but like in 20% .. 30% in my humble experience.
What else would you expect? Fair play? Please, don't be naive.
There are always some players, who feel happier when they skrew others in ANY mmo, ESO included.
I also don't like it, but how do you change random strangers' manners?
Not the ESO issue, but just players' psychology. No countermeasures available, i am afraid.

In this case it is an ESO issue, and it's very easy to solve.

They just need to start counting a resign as a loss, like in any other game.

jaws343 · June 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

DinoZavr wrote: »

Not quite often, but like in 20% .. 30% in my humble experience.
What else would you expect? Fair play? Please, don't be naive.
There are always some players, who feel happier when they skrew others in ANY mmo, ESO included.
I also don't like it, but how do you change random strangers' manners?
Not the ESO issue, but just players' psychology. No countermeasures available, i am afraid.

In this case it is an ESO issue, and it's very easy to solve.

They just need to start counting a resign as a loss, like in any other game.

It's odd, because it counts as a Win for ranking, but doesn't register as a win for the daily quest. Seems like a disconnect between the two.

NeKryXe · July 2022

So... this mess continues to happen...

This was my first game today. I was already expecting it, it's always the same thing and ZOS is the only one to blame for not fixing this issue that let losing players to penalize the winners. Some says that it might be a loss of connection. But this time I decided to contact the loser and he was online. Very funny. This might be the only game I ever played that a resignation of an opponent counts as a tie. Really pathetic.

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jaws343 · July 2022

NeKryXe wrote: »

So... this mess continues to happen...

This was my first game today. I was already expecting it, it's always the same thing and ZOS is the only one to blame for not fixing this issue that let losing players to penalize the winners. Some says that it might be a loss of connection. But this time I decided to contact the loser and he was online. Very funny. This might be the only game I ever played that a resignation of an opponent counts as a tie. Really pathetic.

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They should probably lock the ability to concede a match once one player crosses 30 points.

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Vaoh · July 2022

This is a massive issue and the fact it has not been quickly fixed is already bad for the heath of ToT going forward. Have they even acknowledged the leaderboard issues or how conceding works rn?

NeeScrolls · July 2022

Vaoh wrote: »

. Have they even acknowledged the leaderboard issues or how conceding works rn?

Sort of here--> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7638813/#Comment_7638813 ...and also in this sticky thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609214/tales-of-tribute-exploit-account-bans ...but as another player pointed out to me above ^ , that was a somewhat different issue/situation and they (Zenimax) haven't followed-up yet nor elaborated on any future plans/fixes.

However, i'm 100% certain the @ZOS_ Developers are indeed well aware of this thread (they read every single Bug Report & forum thread, even if it doesn't seem like they do) and this specific circumstance mentioned by the OP & others. I'd be shocked if something wasn't done about it next week after USA holiday weekend.
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HelenaTroyania · August 2022

I have been disconnecting so much the past two days I can't even believe it. I went from 11th on the leaderborad to 700 something in about 24 hours. The crash usually happens towards the end of the game when both players have many combos it seems. I don't know what causes the crashes, I have tried everything I could think of. I usually don't crash doing other content so this is extremely frustrating.