The audacity- Change our styles?

ShadowWolf44

HaruKamui wrote: »

commenting in case OP posts photos and I get a notif

As I stated on another post- I don't have pictures of outfits I purchased- do y'all take pictures of the motifs you purchase, just in case a game changes them in the future? That would be something new.

However, I may have a shot or two of a "Stags of Zen" outfit- It won't be taken with an angle for modeling it, however. Let me see what I can find on this.

Someone mentioned something about "Texture changes", which would make some sense, but that still changes the outfit, on some of them? Enough to make them very different.

ShadowWolf44

I apologize for not being able to respond, as I've been down sick the past few days. actually, I'm sick most days, some, worse than others. It wasn't expected, or I'd of waited to post.

The look of the "Stags of Zen" has changed, along with a couple of others. Sadly, I do not have pictures of (before & after's", as I had no reason to believe this was going to happen.

One of the things I enjoy doing in the game, is creating kicking outfits- Being sick most days, I can't really do much "end game" content, as, at times, I have to leave the game quickly- so I do other things - in this case, creating outfits. I like to "detail" them, mix, combine, whatever. When I return to the game, and something's changed? I notice.

Another poster mentioned something about "Texture Changes", which would make sense, instead of an entire "outfit change", and it more fits what I'm speaking of.

But that still, drastically in some cases, changes the look from what I paid to get.

I also offered a solution, where they give us a choice to keep the "texture"- (now), or style we chose, or to accept the change they came up with- that would solve the issue.

I MAY have some screenshots of the differences, I will have to look & see, and then figure out how to get those, in here.

I do find it truly sad, that far too many people take a lack of response, as "running from an issue I began" or feel the need to spam-post their boredom from waiting, without thinking that there may have been an issue where a person simple couldn't do so, as in this case.

I mean, if you're going to do that? At least use something like Ted Baxter from Caddyshack, when he said, "Well? We're waiting!" Least then it'd be funny. (yeah, there were a couple...kinda..)

ShadowWolf44

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

OP, are you certain you aren't confused? Most motifs have three different styles, light, medium, and heavy. If the style doesn't look like the one in the preview image, check the other armor weights to see if one of those looks like what you purchased. Your post is very vague and does not mention what styles have been changed. I've purchased plenty of limited time cash shop motifs and style pages and have noticed no difference in any of them.

Or, perhaps you are talking about how weapon style pages no longer glow when sheathed? They used to, but that was nerfed so that the effect is only active when they are drawn. A pity that, because I preferred them all shiny when sheathed as well.

Otherwise, please let us know what style you are talking about and provide reference images. The rest of us would like to be offended along with you, but you've given us nothing to be offended about.

(I'm joking with you, seriously though, I'd like to know.)

Thanks for your response- I don't really have any "Before/After pictures- I may have a couple of screenshots? But I'll need to figure out how to get them in here- something that's been an issue for me in the past.

Someone mentioned "Texture changes"? And that could very well be what this was? But that's pretty much the same thing as changing the outfit, if you look at something like the "Stags of Zen".

I really thought there would be others who noticed this- so I'm wondering if there's some glitch only I have, or if maybe I did something- if I'm the only one experiencing this.

Apologize for late response, as I've been very sick the past couple days, and it came on faster than usual.

Again, thx for the response.

Danikat

You don't need to reply to each post individually, especially if you're saying largely the same things each time you could just make 1 post in response to everyone.

Are you able to describe the changes? At the moment it seems that you're the only one who has noticed so it's difficult for anyone else to comment on what's happened. You might also be able to find examples of the old version (or both versions) on a site like ESO Fashion.

I can see various differences in the images of the Stags of Zen motif on that site, but there's 3 armour weights, different male and female versions, different materials and dyes so without knowing what I'm looking for it's impossible to tell what's due to one or more of those factors or if any of them show the change you're objecting to.

xgoku1

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

Maitsukas wrote: »

• OP makes a forum post.
• Rants about a change done to a style they purchased.
• Refuses to elaborate further.
• Leaves.

Uh, no. I'm sick most days, usually I can respond, but this was a worse one for me, and I've not been able to do much at all in life- let alone respond to a post I made. I apologize for that, as it can't be helped.

I don't really have "Pre-pictures", as I didn't expect changes to something I purchased. But the "Stags of Zen" is one. The Hunters is another one.

I DO have a picture of the original Stags, but it was not taken as a "view" of the armor itself- however it MAY provide some detail as to what I'm talking about. I'll try to get the picture from the game, to post in here.

I don't think Stags of Z'en was changed.

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

Heartrage wrote: »

Op textures settings had reset and now they anxiously wait for the forum post to be forgotten so they don’t have to explain their blunder XD

Yeah, sorry, I've been sick- and wasn't able to make it back to this post- Sorry people get so impatient, and don't consider there may be a legit reason for their absence, instead of someone, "running away".

So, what is this about "Texture settings reset"? That would be an actual explanation I could understand- instead of a bunch of people not offering anything, except that I was unable to respond right away.

They meant that your graphics settings may have changed somehow. Perhaps the Textures settings was lowered.

Arunei

OP I can guarantee that if something was changed, it's either a bug or an accident. The devs literally don't change the appearance of things unless there's an actual glitch with them, after they "updated" the Orc and Redguard motifs way back when.

ArchangelIsraphel

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

OP, are you certain you aren't confused? Most motifs have three different styles, light, medium, and heavy. If the style doesn't look like the one in the preview image, check the other armor weights to see if one of those looks like what you purchased. Your post is very vague and does not mention what styles have been changed. I've purchased plenty of limited time cash shop motifs and style pages and have noticed no difference in any of them.

Or, perhaps you are talking about how weapon style pages no longer glow when sheathed? They used to, but that was nerfed so that the effect is only active when they are drawn. A pity that, because I preferred them all shiny when sheathed as well.

Otherwise, please let us know what style you are talking about and provide reference images. The rest of us would like to be offended along with you, but you've given us nothing to be offended about.

(I'm joking with you, seriously though, I'd like to know.)

Thanks for your response- I don't really have any "Before/After pictures- I may have a couple of screenshots? But I'll need to figure out how to get them in here- something that's been an issue for me in the past.

Someone mentioned "Texture changes"? And that could very well be what this was? But that's pretty much the same thing as changing the outfit, if you look at something like the "Stags of Zen".

I really thought there would be others who noticed this- so I'm wondering if there's some glitch only I have, or if maybe I did something- if I'm the only one experiencing this.

Apologize for late response, as I've been very sick the past couple days, and it came on faster than usual.

Again, thx for the response.

Perhaps check your graphical settings and make certain that they have not been reset by the game. Sometimes, when you do not log in for a while, such things get automatically reset and you have to go in and fix them manually. I have not noticed any differences in the motifs you mention myself.

RisenEclipse

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

Troodon80 wrote: »

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

So please, I'd love to know how you believe you have the right to CHANGE what we purchased, without leaving the option for us to KEEP the look we paid for?

They have the right because you agreed to it.

As described under the End User Licence Agreement:

IMPORTANT. THIS GAME (DEFINED BELOW) AND RELATED SOFTWARE ARE LICENSED, NOT SOLD TO YOU. BY ACCESSING, USING, OR PLAYING THE GAME OR DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING, COPYING, OR USING ANY SUCH SOFTWARE, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT ("AGREEMENT"). IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO ALL OF THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME OR ANY RELATED SOFTWARE.

So from that, we understand and agree that we do not own what we've purchased. Furthermore:

As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.

They have the right to change whatever they please without notice to anyone.

Strange, it says "Game & Software", NOT something I purchased as a specific item, because it was sold as a "Look" I could obtain for myself.

Your comment is no different than stating you agreed to buy a specific car, say a deep blue convertible Porsche "AS IS", from an accredited car dealership online, and they delivered you a lime green & pink VW. OH! They say, but you bought this car "As Is!"

Uh, no, I purchased a deep blue Porsche "As Is", not a lime green VW. I bought the items I did, SEPERATE from the game & their software, with a specific look, style, texture.

If the car dealership had an agreement that said they could change the look and type of car at any time, then that would be more closer to your argument. Although still extremely inaccurate to use.

Game and software is every pixel you see in game. Just because you bought a motif, does not mean you own it. Every item, every house, every thing in the game is owned by ZOS. You just purchase the use of it in your account. But they may change it as they please, when they please. As stated in the agreement. This is the same with every game out there. Although ZOS does avoid changing motif styles or even player houses due to the fact that they don't want to upset players. Hell all those ancestral styles are just updates versions of old styles that they added, rather then change existing styles.

Although we'll need more context for your complaints. Stags of Zen I don't remember getting any updates to it. Or actually, any other styles recently. How long has it been since you last played? Did you check your graphics settings to see if that's the problem? Are you using the right outfit slot? What precisely changed with the outfits? Because honestly OP I'm super confused right now, as no style in recent memory has been given any drastic change that you're describing. So please elaborate :P

kind_hero

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

OP, are you certain you aren't confused? Most motifs have three different styles, light, medium, and heavy. If the style doesn't look like the one in the preview image, check the other armor weights to see if one of those looks like what you purchased. Your post is very vague and does not mention what styles have been changed. I've purchased plenty of limited time cash shop motifs and style pages and have noticed no difference in any of them.

Or, perhaps you are talking about how weapon style pages no longer glow when sheathed? They used to, but that was nerfed so that the effect is only active when they are drawn. A pity that, because I preferred them all shiny when sheathed as well.

Otherwise, please let us know what style you are talking about and provide reference images. The rest of us would like to be offended along with you, but you've given us nothing to be offended about.

(I'm joking with you, seriously though, I'd like to know.)

Thanks for your response- I don't really have any "Before/After pictures- I may have a couple of screenshots? But I'll need to figure out how to get them in here- something that's been an issue for me in the past.

Someone mentioned "Texture changes"? And that could very well be what this was? But that's pretty much the same thing as changing the outfit, if you look at something like the "Stags of Zen".

I really thought there would be others who noticed this- so I'm wondering if there's some glitch only I have, or if maybe I did something- if I'm the only one experiencing this.

Apologize for late response, as I've been very sick the past couple days, and it came on faster than usual.

Again, thx for the response.

Hey, I understand this might be hard for you, especially if you feel sick. I wish you good health.

I know that little things like this can matter much when dealing with real life issues.

Here you can see how the motif looked when it was launched:
https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/category/database/miscellaneous/style/stags-of-zen/

I am not sure what changed. TBH, I am not very excited about the motifs in this game, especially the ones released in the past few years. For me, it's like the devs ran out of imagination. We get most of the same styles regardless of where the current DLC takes us.

EnerG

Heartrage wrote: »

They’re making every motif bright rainbow colored for pride month /s

I know we'd get a mountain of hateful ppl using their anonymity to spout vitrial for it.... But *** if this doesnt make my lil gay heart happy to think about. MORE RAINBOWS!!

FantasticFreddie

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

I apologize for not being able to respond, as I've been down sick the past few days. actually, I'm sick most days, some, worse than others. It wasn't expected, or I'd of waited to post.

The look of the "Stags of Zen" has changed, along with a couple of others. Sadly, I do not have pictures of (before & after's", as I had no reason to believe this was going to happen.

One of the things I enjoy doing in the game, is creating kicking outfits- Being sick most days, I can't really do much "end game" content, as, at times, I have to leave the game quickly- so I do other things - in this case, creating outfits. I like to "detail" them, mix, combine, whatever. When I return to the game, and something's changed? I notice.

Another poster mentioned something about "Texture Changes", which would make sense, instead of an entire "outfit change", and it more fits what I'm speaking of.

But that still, drastically in some cases, changes the look from what I paid to get.

I also offered a solution, where they give us a choice to keep the "texture"- (now), or style we chose, or to accept the change they came up with- that would solve the issue.

I MAY have some screenshots of the differences, I will have to look & see, and then figure out how to get those, in here.

I do find it truly sad, that far too many people take a lack of response, as "running from an issue I began" or feel the need to spam-post their boredom from waiting, without thinking that there may have been an issue where a person simple couldn't do so, as in this case.

I mean, if you're going to do that? At least use something like Ted Baxter from Caddyshack, when he said, "Well? We're waiting!" Least then it'd be funny. (yeah, there were a couple...kinda..)

Stags of Zen did not change their appearance.

Some things that could have happened:

You accidentally turned off your outfit and are seeing default armor

You accidentally equipped a costume or disguise

Your actual graphic settings changed and now you don't recognize the outfit-- you just need to go into your settings and adjust them to your liking to fix this.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

I've used Stags of Z'en on my bosmer almost since the motif was released and it has not been changed.

LurgidBean

I wonder if OP had been using the Fang Lair medium or heavy belt to hide the knee pads on the outfit they noticed the changes. ZOS recently ninja messed with the styles somehow, because there IS a significant visual change for some outfits, despite people ITT saying it never happens anymore.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/607270/why-the-change-to-fanged-lair-medium-belt-please-put-it-back-the-way-it-was-pretty-please

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/607174/new-chapter-destroyed-my-necromancer-fashion

Svaeshtari

EnerG wrote: »

Heartrage wrote: »

They’re making every motif bright rainbow colored for pride month /s

I know we'd get a mountain of hateful ppl using their anonymity to spout vitrial for it.... But *** if this doesnt make my lil gay heart happy to think about. MORE RAINBOWS!!

Mine tooooooo hahahaha

ShadowWolf44

LurgidBean wrote: »

I wonder if OP had been using the Fang Lair medium or heavy belt to hide the knee pads on the outfit they noticed the changes. ZOS recently ninja messed with the styles somehow, because there IS a significant visual change for some outfits, despite people ITT saying it never happens anymore.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/607270/why-the-change-to-fanged-lair-medium-belt-please-put-it-back-the-way-it-was-pretty-please

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/607174/new-chapter-destroyed-my-necromancer-fashion

This is what I'm trying to look into atm. One person mentioned something about "Texture Changes", which is kind of what I'm seeing- They may not have changed the total outfit, NOT what I was meaning to say- But there have been texture changes and other pieces of the outfit altered .

Is this just an Xbox thing? What does the "ESO style community" say -which someone else recommended I look into. Could I have changed something by accident on my system. Trying to look into all of this- so it will take some time.

I thought there would be many others who had noticed this as well, IF you are into styling your toons like I am.

Thanks for your response. I'll post generally when I find out more.

ShadowWolf44

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've used Stags of Z'en on my bosmer almost since the motif was released and it has not been changed.

Are you on PC?

Amottica

NeuroticPixels wrote: »

What did you buy? What was changed about it? Do you have any before & after pics?

I was wondering the same thing. One has to go through multiple replies to find out what motif they are referring to.

To OP, I would first suggest an edit to the OP to explain what this discussion is actually about. d I would not expect Zenimax to scroll through the thread to find out if that detail was addressed.

Also, Zenimax will update and improve textures in the game which can have an effect on appearances. Even then, Zenimax owns our characters and everything about them and has retained the right to change things.

I do hope you find peace in all this eventually and enjoy whatever look you settle back on. Good luck.

ZOS_Kevin

@ShadowWolf44 When you are able, could you get some examples of the items in question? We can get those to our team to confirm if they have changed. If anything was changed and it was intentional, we'll follow up with additional information. If it's a bug, then we'll note that and get that fixed.

But please let us know when you are able. I hope you feel better soon!

NotaDaedraWorshipper

ShadowWolf44 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've used Stags of Z'en on my bosmer almost since the motif was released and it has not been changed.

Are you on PC?

Yes.

Jaraal

Arunei wrote: »

OP I can guarantee that if something was changed, it's either a bug or an accident. The devs literally don't change the appearance of things unless there's an actual glitch with them, after they "updated" the Orc and Redguard motifs way back when.

Still waiting for them to release an alternate to the Timbercrow Wanderer costume for those of us who don't like to wear diapers and/or fur trimmed sports bras on our male characters.