Prior Therric Arms Packs is way too flashy

spartaxoxo

M0ntie wrote: »

Just ran a trial with several people with this style and it is absolutely horrible. The noise when people bar swap is very distracting.
For goodness sake at least turn that off during combat and tone down the colour.

100% would have bought this because it looks great, but not buying it and will ask others not to run it in trials/dungeons while it is so intrusive.

I bought it but I'll try to remember to take it off during any pug trials.

Hotdog_23

Coatmagic wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

I can definitely see an option implemented to tone down effects in settings, so that players with sensitivity to flashing lights can turn them down, especially in low light environments. This is a very important accessibility option, I think, and while PC players have tweaks to achieve something along these lines, console players have no option but to endure (older consoles also can get a lag problem with a lot of flashy effects, for that matter, so an accessibility option would be a double win).

Where are these tweaks on PC because I'd sure like to use them.

Beating a very dead horse. If you do a search you will see all the past requests for ways to turn down/turn off effects.
It wasn't written into the original code, and afaict, they have no (easy) way to implement it.
Over the years I've tried various things, nothing works.. even turning my screen to grey abolishing all definition, the games flashy effects come through (on top?) bright and clear. It's obnoxious.

*The developers do not care because they keep adding more even with all the pleas.

Play on a 75-inch TV and these bright flashes are just too much. Really hope this one of the things they add to the code rewrite they are in the process of doing right now.

Stay safe

BalticBlues

ZOS, please be aware that for some people Flashing Lights can trigger Epileptic Seizures.
This could happen in a trial when many people are using this set.
The set itself looks very nice, but the bar swap effects feel horrible.

https://www.brainfacts.org/diseases-and-disorders/epilepsy/2021/how-do-flashing-lights-trigger-epileptic-seizures-012821

Mik195

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've now seen people with this style and I dislike it even more. It's giving me and others I know headaches with all the flashing and noises.

Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin stop with these kind of effects on things. You're literally causing pain to your players who wants nothing to do with them.

The problem isn't that other people like flashy, it's that the game lacks accessibility options that let people block effects that give them pain. ZOS really needs to introduce a setting for that. I have no problems with lights, but even I find the bright flash when doing Zahari's fill soul gems with daedra excessive. I consider this to be a huge failure on ZOS' part.

Iron_Warrior

This thread is giving me the same vibes as those "nerfing HA sets is discrimation against disabled people" threads. To me it seems like people are bringing up people with health issues to make their points more valid. Honestly if it was not for the boom sound of the set when bar swapping, i wouldn't notice my group using it. The only time that the flashiness is distracting is if you are using it yourself and the camera is extremely close to your character, and at that point it's your fault for buying it. I can't understand how this arms pack is any more distracting than reguluar abilities or a lot of sets with visual effects.

Also IF they decide to change it they have to refund anybody that bought it because for a lot of people the flashiness is the main selling point.

LalMirchi

Mik195 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've now seen people with this style and I dislike it even more. It's giving me and others I know headaches with all the flashing and noises.

Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin stop with these kind of effects on things. You're literally causing pain to your players who wants nothing to do with them.

The problem isn't that other people like flashy, it's that the game lacks accessibility options that let people block effects that give them pain. ZOS really needs to introduce a setting for that. I have no problems with lights, but even I find the bright flash when doing Zahari's fill soul gems with daedra excessive. I consider this to be a huge failure on ZOS' part.

I agree. I think it's time for an option in the settings to turn effects and flashes off ie an accessibility option that only affects what you as a player see. That way people can have their own flashiness but a player can choose not to see them.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

LalMirchi wrote: »

Mik195 wrote: »

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I've now seen people with this style and I dislike it even more. It's giving me and others I know headaches with all the flashing and noises.

Please, @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin stop with these kind of effects on things. You're literally causing pain to your players who wants nothing to do with them.

The problem isn't that other people like flashy, it's that the game lacks accessibility options that let people block effects that give them pain. ZOS really needs to introduce a setting for that. I have no problems with lights, but even I find the bright flash when doing Zahari's fill soul gems with daedra excessive. I consider this to be a huge failure on ZOS' part.

I agree. I think it's time for an option in the settings to turn effects and flashes off ie an accessibility option that only affects what you as a player see. That way people can have their own flashiness but a player can choose not to see them.

But if people don't want to turn off all effects? Just a few of these extreme ones.

SimonThesis

I love it! A ton of people in my Pvp guild are running it. They should make it brighter and make the effects from swinging weapons last longer imo. I love the colors and how bright it is, I agree the sound is a little loud tho they should have picked a better sound effect.

lunaslide

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

This thread is giving me the same vibes as those "nerfing HA sets is discrimation against disabled people" threads. To me it seems like people are bringing up people with health issues to make their points more valid. Honestly if it was not for the boom sound of the set when bar swapping, i wouldn't notice my group using it. The only time that the flashiness is distracting is if you are using it yourself and the camera is extremely close to your character, and at that point it's your fault for buying it. I can't understand how this arms pack is any more distracting than reguluar abilities or a lot of sets with visual effects.

Also IF they decide to change it they have to refund anybody that bought it because for a lot of people the flashiness is the main selling point.

First, I am one of the people with carpal tunnel syndrome who relies on HA rotations to keep my hands from cramping up. This is not a trivial matter. And it's also not reasonable to say people with these problems just shouldn't play this game. MMOs like this are where players like us go instead of games like Elden Ring and FPS games. I've never bothered to buy those games because I know I'll never be able to play them without serious pain.

Second, people have been asking for help with settings to tone down bright effects pretty much from the beginning, so it's not like they suddenly are trying to spoil fun for people who like this pack. Everquest had a whole page of options for various effects back in 1999. There really is no excuse for their absence in this era.

Third, you don't have to own this set to have it affect you, just be in a dungeon or trial with people who do. This isn't a "Don't like it, don't buy it" scenario. The bang noise is pretty disconcerting especially in headphones, and I'm not usually sensitive to such things.

Finally, I agree with you they should refund it if they change it. But I do think they should change it if they cannot give settings to manage such things. The latter would be the preferable solution so that it's a win for all involved.

I'm going to request a refund myself, I wouldn't feel good using them knowing their effect on others. If enough people do this, they'll change it. Money is the language ZOS understands.

vivisectvib16_ESO

I love how flashy it is but the noise it makes is a bit much. I don't mind that I can hear mine but when you have 4 other people using it in a trial it's super annoying. @ZOS_GinaBruno y'all likely will need to modify this one so that only the user hears the sound and sees the flash of light on their own weapon and no one elses.

SilverBride

The Apex mounts and over the top skins are something I will never use but someone else using them doesn't affect me. But this bright flash and noise that others are describing does affect others negatively and something needs to be done. Either tone these weapons down or put in some settings to decrease or remove these effects. And please, no more bright flashes of light.

Remember, less is more.

Belegnole

I believe that there should be settings to adjust elements in the game that can effect people. That being said, I rather like the flashy stuff in the game.

spartaxoxo

Belegnole wrote: »

I believe that there should be settings to adjust elements in the game that can effect people. That being said, I rather like the flashy stuff in the game.

This is definitely the ideal solution. I love bright sound effects and lights. I always have. Fireworks, glow sticks, flashy video and casino games, etc. I love it all. But I also don't have any negative physical effects from them in general, with only the extremely occasional of a light so bright it hurts my eyes or gives me a headache.

Because I almost never have these effects, they are generally a positive thing for me. But that's not everyone. And there should be accessibility options in games that have this stuff to turn it down or off.

EozZoe1989

thats why you dont buy things from store.. that armour lol .. or others that can be changed,,
free stuff is better, lol
but if enjoy buying from store remember that might chnage or be nerfed,, easy ignore it move on.. lol
why because sometimes nothing going be done about until you talk about it on her on social media and others,.,
if really wnast somthing to be done about somthing then get out there ans work butt of that what i do lol--

Seminolegirl1992

It looks awesome but it hurts my eyes and I have never had issues with anything like that before (meaning I don't have a light sensitivity issue or anything like that).

James-Wayne

Please do not nerf this visual I bought the weapons pack specifically for this!

PurpleScroll

I love both the flash and boom they make. It's why I bought them.

M0ntie

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

I love how flashy it is but the noise it makes is a bit much. I don't mind that I can hear mine but when you have 4 other people using it in a trial it's super annoying. @ZOS_GinaBruno y'all likely will need to modify this one so that only the user hears the sound and sees the flash of light on their own weapon and no one elses.

Agree. This is a good solution. If you're using it you see and hear the effect, but others don't.

NatiiriESO

100% agree with OP. I am light sensitive and this actually hurts me when people are constantly bar swapping. There was a group of players just mashing bar swap with these weapons in Blackwood/Leyawiin yesterday. I dont think it should be removed but just toned down quite a bit.

Jaimeh

I got the weapons because I liked the colours, but I will not be using them on characters that I do dungeon/trial runs with, only for my farmer/thieving/etc. toons, because the flash upon weapon swap is extremely visually intrusive, and would tire my eyes out very fast (no doubt my teammates' eyes as well). I wish they gave us an option to toggle effects on styles on/off, it would be a great quality of life feature @ZOS_Kevin.

KaGaOri

Ran cradle of shadows with someone using this pack's staff. That bright flash was only thing I could see for two or three seconds each time they swaped bars. Not exactly comfortable in vet dungeon with ground AoEs and mechanics to keep eye on. Love design of the weapons, but the effects are bit too much. Won't be buying it, since couldn't imagine using it in most situation.

While the draw / bar swap effect is the worst offender here, would prefer if the redish-black effect on them had opacity tuned down a bit too, so details on the weapons are more visible when drawn out. They're gorgeous and it's a shame to not see them most of the time. Thoughts?

tim77

i think there must be a setting, maybe in the quality type.
I checked it with a mate, and while i hardly see the flashy thing, on his video it was a bit.... brighter.

Need to ask him if i can show his video for comparison, but here is mine with little effect:

https://youtu.be/XIcpWNDeM2s

PlagueSD

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Dang weapons is like setting off a flash bang. On its own it may not be so bad, but if you got the weapons on both bars it's an issue. I even came across some guy in Mournhold last night doing exactly that and he looked like a strobe light.

The flash effect either needs to be toned down or removed because this is a seizure risk.

Edit: let me clarify, not talking about the effects on the weapons, I'm talking about the bright flash the occurs when you pull the weapons out/bar swap.

Nope, leave it. That's how I tell I'm on my main bar. I see the flash-bang, I know it's time to unload my DPS. I feel sorry for the players that choose to double bar that motif...

vivisectvib16_ESO

M0ntie wrote: »

vivisectvib16_ESO wrote: »

I love how flashy it is but the noise it makes is a bit much. I don't mind that I can hear mine but when you have 4 other people using it in a trial it's super annoying. @ZOS_GinaBruno y'all likely will need to modify this one so that only the user hears the sound and sees the flash of light on their own weapon and no one elses.

Agree. This is a good solution. If you're using it you see and hear the effect, but others don't.

Shouldn't be difficult to implement either since they already do it with several skills, plus hiding companions from other players in certain towns.

Xinihp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFguikGWRxA

The initial flash may be a bit much, and we probably shouldn't hear the sound from other people. However, the rainbow tracer effect is pretty awesome!

Fennwitty

I previewed it in the store and noticed the bright white flash every time you 'draw' the weapon.

Huge nope right there, lost a sale.

At this point -- with literally YEARS of asking for less flashing lights in the game -- it feels like someone at ZoS is intentionally trying to antagonize people with light sensitivity, and won't be happy until something hits social media.

@ZOS_Kevin, @ZOS_GinaBruno please for the love of the divines STOP INTENTIONALLY ADDING STROBE LIGHTS TO THE GAME. It's a real annoyance and also a health risk.

BretonMage

KaGaOri wrote: »

While the draw / bar swap effect is the worst offender here, would prefer if the redish-black effect on them had opacity tuned down a bit too, so details on the weapons are more visible when drawn out. They're gorgeous and it's a shame to not see them most of the time. Thoughts?

Yes, the design details are very nice and it's really unfortunate they're obscured by the black aura. I had mentioned in a previous that I didn't like the black aura, but I think even if one did like it, the aura is overdone, especially for the staff, which just looks like a black blob.

phairdon

Add this mount as an addition to the arms pack

Xinihp

phairdon wrote: »

Add this mount as an addition to the arms pack

I prefer the "kicks lightning bolts when you jump" unicorn from the Rainbow Bright video I posted on page 2. :P

Marginis

Iron_Warrior wrote: »

This thread is giving me the same vibes as those "nerfing HA sets is discrimation against disabled people" threads. To me it seems like people are bringing up people with health issues to make their points more valid. Honestly if it was not for the boom sound of the set when bar swapping, i wouldn't notice my group using it. The only time that the flashiness is distracting is if you are using it yourself and the camera is extremely close to your character, and at that point it's your fault for buying it. I can't understand how this arms pack is any more distracting than reguluar abilities or a lot of sets with visual effects.

Also IF they decide to change it they have to refund anybody that bought it because for a lot of people the flashiness is the main selling point.

1 - This isn't the combat effectiveness of a set, unless we're talking about setting off flashbang grenades for a tactical advantage. This is about a cosmetic only. And just because you don't have a problem with it, doesn't mean nobody else does.

2 - ZoS allowing players to turn off certain visual effects for themselves doesn't get rid of the visual effects for the players who bought the pack. ZoS would be under no obligation to refund them any more than they would be obligated to refund a non-combat pet that doesn't load in properly for anyone but yourself. If anything, they are more obligated to refund this pack right now, because the weapon switch flash is not properly shown to the player before equipping, meaning that the player right now isn't necessarily knowing what they're getting into, buying the pack.

3 - If the reason someone buys something like this is to annoy other players or cause them to have health issues by flashing it over and over, those are not the type of people ZoS should listen or cater to.

I mean, I bought the pack. I like it. I think the flash is even kind of a nice cue in combat to know that my weapons actually switched. But not everyone shares that opinion. I also, knowing the general sentiment here, don't flash the arms out of combat or when I don't need to. I also would not have a problem if the flash were removed or toned down for other players. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if it were removed or toned down for everyone. Because I have empathy and realize that it negatively affects some people, and I care much more about others' well-being than a little extra flash in a videogame.