Stamplar - spring 2022

Rhaegar75

Hey there

I've opened a similar discussion about MagPlars and I'd find it helpful replicating it for all the fellow stamplars out there.

I've dusted mine and i'm planning on using Magma, Markyn, Deadly, Powerful Assault - 2h and sw/sh.
What are you guys using these days?

mmtaniac

I love playing stamplar, i use Balorgh 2x , Wretched vitality main bar 2h ,Daedric Trickery off bar resto staff, Mythic - Markhyn ring of majesty.

Triple stat food, main bar unstoppable poison.

Have 6500 spell damage fully buffed 30000 hp 30000 stam 15000 magicka. 25000 armor.

It's work nice. But i feel stamplar still have something lacking.

PvP_Exploiter

Only play BGs where you require more sustain than CP so

Magma, Rallying Cry DW frontbar, Wretched vitality SnB backbar, Markyn, 1x Trainee

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=441424

gariondavey

^ I feel like bear haunch and WV is overkill. I would use sugar skulls instead, but to each their own
Looks like a nice set up regardless.

Top op - like I mentioned in another thread, deadly, maelstrom 2h, ravager is nice
Ravager front WV back 1 markyn 1 trainee magma is good too

Rhaegar75

After dusting my stamplar I can definitely say I still like it, even with crap gear!

However…….the sustain is truly abysmal especially in no CP: how do you guys go about? Can you manage to use 2 damage sets?

mmtaniac

Sustain is worst thing on stamplar, i play this class as main i use wretched vitality to help with it ,this set is easy to manage on main bar one jab cast give you both buff at same time. We have as templar two passives in Dawns wrath tree that can be easy merged to work similiar to Dragonknight Mountain blessing. This way we can get extra passive slot for something usefull maybe free sustain.

gariondavey

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

After dusting my stamplar I can definitely say I still like it, even with crap gear!

However…….the sustain is truly abysmal especially in no CP: how do you guys go about? Can you manage to use 2 damage sets?

Wood elf + jewels of misrule + serpent stone is all I need for sustain
Alternatively any other race + serpent + WV back bar is sufficient

Rhaegar75

gariondavey wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

After dusting my stamplar I can definitely say I still like it, even with crap gear!

However…….the sustain is truly abysmal especially in no CP: how do you guys go about? Can you manage to use 2 damage sets?

Wood elf + jewels of misrule + serpent stone is all I need for sustain
Alternatively any other race + serpent + WV back bar is sufficient

what do you thin about imperial with the 6% reduce cost?

gariondavey

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

After dusting my stamplar I can definitely say I still like it, even with crap gear!

However…….the sustain is truly abysmal especially in no CP: how do you guys go about? Can you manage to use 2 damage sets?

Wood elf + jewels of misrule + serpent stone is all I need for sustain
Alternatively any other race + serpent + WV back bar is sufficient

what do you thin about imperial with the 6% reduce cost?

Probably really nice. I love bosmer because of speed, stam sustain and being able to be the smallest race (I additionally am the shortest you can be) for smaller hit box in PvP. Bosmer are cute too so there's that!

I will say that 6 percent cost reduction on crescent is probably pretty nutty, especially if you somehow get major or minor heroism.

mmtaniac

Off course you can use things for sustain but still compare this to different class (DK) or others , on different classes you have free sustain. On Sorc you exchange one thing for another, on nb you wait and puf tons of stamina, on dk just jump even on Warden you have it for free Netch is free cost. Necro again free sustain skill. Templar is only class that need to pay for everything. Repetence is crap in this meta no one die.

PvP_Exploiter

gariondavey wrote: »

^ I feel like bear haunch and WV is overkill. I would use sugar skulls instead, but to each their own
Looks like a nice set up regardless.

Top op - like I mentioned in another thread, deadly, maelstrom 2h, ravager is nice
Ravager front WV back 1 markyn 1 trainee magma is good too

Tbf I've swapped serpent to apprentice. Only have 3 skills that cost stam, losing mag rec from food is way worse.

TechMaybeHic

Pariah back, deadly/proc set front, balorg, dubious with all spell damage glyphs/tristat with 1 or 2 Stam rec glyphs. I prefer the later and mix in mag abilities

gariondavey

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Pariah back, deadly/proc set front, balorg, dubious with all spell damage glyphs/tristat with 1 or 2 Stam rec glyphs. I prefer the later and mix in mag abilities

If you have 5 medium, armor master back bar might be a good idea instead of 1 bar pariah!

TechMaybeHic

gariondavey wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Pariah back, deadly/proc set front, balorg, dubious with all spell damage glyphs/tristat with 1 or 2 Stam rec glyphs. I prefer the later and mix in mag abilities

If you have 5 medium, armor master back bar might be a good idea instead of 1 bar pariah!

Yeah I've run that and it didn't feel like I got the mileage out of it I'd hoped. Then you get a bit more on pariah as you go to your backbar to heal and run where you need it most.

Getting real tempted with performance improvements, if they hold; to run another offensive set given I can actually break free and heal

gariondavey

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Pariah back, deadly/proc set front, balorg, dubious with all spell damage glyphs/tristat with 1 or 2 Stam rec glyphs. I prefer the later and mix in mag abilities

If you have 5 medium, armor master back bar might be a good idea instead of 1 bar pariah!

Yeah I've run that and it didn't feel like I got the mileage out of it I'd hoped. Then you get a bit more on pariah as you go to your backbar to heal and run where you need it most.

Getting real tempted with performance improvements, if they hold; to run another offensive set given I can actually break free and heal

Sure, it is reactive I guess. Armor master is preventative though, as the extra defenses would prevent you from getting into as worse a scenario. I don't run any defensive sets, though. Damage damage damage or 1 sustain back bar imo!

divnyi

Ha, I've just swapped my crit gear to plar a day ago because I'm bored.

Backbar masters ice staff, infused + WD. Frontbar Silver Shards for range, Sweeps for melee, Honor the Dead, Javelin with knockback. HP+tri-recoveries food, all stam recovery enchs, Ring of wild hunt, 2x bloodthirsty + 1x swift. L1 vamp for clown form.

I wouldn't say it's meta but that can punch holes in enemy formations really quick.
Probably the most bursty gameplay of all the crit builds I've made before.

geonsocal

my stamplar has always been set up as a hybrid...jesus beam and breath of life are just too much fun not to use...

it works nice with rattlecage, can't remember the monster set and second set on the toon, but I think all 3 sets are offensive...heavy armor and class skills mitigate a bunch of incoming damage...

I addressed sustain by having a stamina bar and a magicka bar setup...just swap bars for continuous sustain...

Digibrax

OMG, too many combinations... What would be the best combo of weapons for stamplar? I don't like the idea for resto backbar.
Two handed + S&B
DW + S&B
DW + Two handed
Or is it all pure individual preference?

Rhaegar75

I'm trying S&B + 2h (quite a classic) - I like it but I need to get the sustain sorted and that's what I'm experimenting with.

Digibrax

I just saw another interesting build with two 2H (main and off hand). That looks even more fun

gariondavey

Digibrax wrote: »

OMG, too many combinations... What would be the best combo of weapons for stamplar? I don't like the idea for resto backbar.
Two handed + S&B
DW + S&B
DW + Two handed
Or is it all pure individual preference?

Resto back bar offers the most to any group

Digibrax

gariondavey wrote: »

Resto back bar offers the most to any group

I rarely do any group content. I mostly play alone, so I am leaning towards more tank builds.

MEBengalsFan2001

mmtaniac wrote: »

I love playing stamplar, i use Balorgh 2x , Wretched vitality main bar 2h ,Daedric Trickery off bar resto staff, Mythic - Markhyn ring of majesty.

Triple stat food, main bar unstoppable poison.

Have 6500 weapon damage fully buffed 30000 hp 30000 stam 15000 magicka. 25000 armor.

It's work nice. But i feel stamplar still have something lacking.

Why weapon damage and not spell damage. The only ability that doesn't get the buff from spell damage is power of light.

Amerises

Minor breach is pretty nice, especially if you're using medium armor and not light, you're short on a lot of pen.

mmtaniac

I mean spell damage. I just do mistake while writing. Weapon damage is impossible to be that high without sacriface something.

TechMaybeHic

Amerises wrote: »

Minor breach is pretty nice, especially if you're using medium armor and not light, you're short on a lot of pen.

Yeah but it's the status effect given by physical damage so you don't really miss it

mmtaniac

Minor breach + Major breach from caltrops + sharpened main bar + 2h mace and lover mundus grant you almost 18k penetration on stamplar , in 4 medium + 3 heavy. Magplar can get different mundus and still have this penetration. I don't care about cp.

Amerises

The chance an ability has to apply a secondary effect, such as burning, chilled, or concussed. These chances are:

Weapon enchants 20%
Single Target Direct Damage 10%
Area of Effect Direct Damage 5%
Single Target Damage over Time 3%
Area of Effect Damage over Time 1%
Light and Heavy Attacks 0%



Relying on it as a Proc from your 2h isn't the most reliable. It's also only a 4 second effect. Nearly all magplar skills don't do physical damage if you don't specifically spec for it.

TechMaybeHic

Amerises wrote: »

The chance an ability has to apply a secondary effect, such as burning, chilled, or concussed. These chances are:

Weapon enchants 20%
Single Target Direct Damage 10%
Area of Effect Direct Damage 5%
Single Target Damage over Time 3%
Area of Effect Damage over Time 1%
Light and Heavy Attacks 0%



Relying on it as a Proc from your 2h isn't the most reliable. It's also only a 4 second effect. Nearly all magplar skills don't do physical damage if you don't specifically spec for it.

This gets to the new question if "what exactly is a Stamplar?" To where I view the answer as depending on what spammable you are using

Amerises

Jabs gives a 5% chance to Proc it. Even backbar plus charged trait and stam glyph, after the bar swap you get 2, maybe 3 full attacks with the 3k pen.

Listen, my stamplar is now a magplar with 7.5k SD and 18.3k pen *without* Balorgh or caltrops proc'd, but still available. Believe me, I want to be a stamplar, but you just can't get those numbers on one. And if you want to wear Malacarth and Deadly, great, but then your heals suffer as does PotL. Plus magplar has way better sustain right now. I tried jabs on this build and replaced M. Sorcery with Repentance for sustain, and it was still worse.

mmtaniac

Magplar version have much better sustain , on stamina you must think about cc, slows, sprint and dodge and damage/healing. On magplar your stamina is off stat is used only for break free and run sometimes dodge. Stamplar need some changes in those matter. Repentence is good sustain tool but worst at the same time you can't use it like necromancer , because you can't create corpses from air. Repentence is worst sustain tool in current invicible meta. Stamina rune should be free and healing mobile. This way Stamplar will become different and stamina regen will be better and get more mobile class nature as stamina should be.