The Thrafey Debutante Gown Grind is DISGUSTING.

proprio.meb16_ESO

I did this grind recently and got my 50 pieces in a month or so of short 1h runs, now im still farming to resell them for gold. It's totally rng, in an hour one can usually get 0 to 3 pieces, when getting more than one they generally come close one another.

The chance to do just one run of the entire thing and get one piece are pretty little. If it can help in my playthrough drops outside the xanmeer have been scarce, better to farm inside.

Anyway it's just a long grind, i personally dont dislike it that much, there are far worse things you can chose to farm.
The more effort you need to put the more rewarding the gain, at least to a certain extent. It's not mandatory to farm fragments after all.

James-Wayne

These types of item drops have always been the biggest grind for ESO, just ignore them and be happy with life again!

alberichtano

MasterSpatula wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

Ah well, they want player retention. Some people perhaps actually farm these, so in those cases the retention might work.

Sometimes ZOS appears to be fundamentally incapable of grasping that "discouragingly hard" is as bad or worse than "boringly easy" for engagement.

To be fair though, it must be hard to try to cater to two different groups with diametricaly opposite wants - the hard core gamers who lust for more challange and who think that everything is too easy, and the more casual players who don't want everything to be an unending grind of ridiculous difficulty. Both groups have a right to their points of view, and neither of them is wrong, they are just each others opposites when it comes to gameplay preference.

duagloth

I just bought the scraps, then grind sonething easier to recoup the gold 😆

ectoplasmicninja

I farmed these in a couple months. Most days I ran loops for an hour or two and would typically get two scraps a day. Admittedly the grind was extra annoying because the layout of the dungeon is so unfriendly. I also never use robes because while I love the way they look I hate the way they move when the character is running - the weird bending at the knees while the lower part stays rigid is just very visually unappealing so I get no use out of the thing I spent ~100 hours farming, go figure.

I appreciate that this is a costume we're able to earn in game, and I would like to see more of these, but 50 scraps is too many when the RNG is so low. A guarantee of at least one scrap per hour would be great IMO - you'd know from the beginning that you weren't going to spend more than 50 hours max in pursuit of the thing which would make people more likely to pursue it.

Coatmagic

Luckily for me (as a collector), I find this costume unappealing and absolutely not worth the time, trouble, or gold I'd have to spend to buy the pieces.

Vevvev

I spent 16 hours grinding that thing across 3 days non-stop because I wanted my vampire to look pretty and not like some pin-up girl that the Dark Passions Regalia does. It was brutal but I'll never have to do it again thankfully.

That being said the grind took 16 hours of my ESO play time away just for a single cosmetic. It wasn't even skilled gameplay like getting Godslayer, The Flawless Conquerer, etc. It was just there to burn away your time.

MakoRuu

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, ZOS and their grinding is getting out of hand.

Trying to get leads for antiquities is even ridiculous.

Antiquities can be horrible, too. Grinding the same dungeon because the lead drops on the boss with a 1% chance.

That's why I basically stopped even caring about Mythics, because the grind is so terrible for some of them.

Now, if I just get it, I get it.

maximusrex45

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

the drop rate on the ones from the labyrinthian and the zenithar public dungeon are about the same, ive gotten about 17-20 drops of both just running all bosses/quest on a couple of toons with minimal straight up farming

I've run Labyrithian 3-4 times for the quest and farmed it for some gear pre-curated drops and have like 5-7 of these, and did it with a friend and she has even less.

Peppo_Lives

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Yeah, ZOS and their grinding is getting out of hand.

Trying to get leads for antiquities is even ridiculous.

and if you think about the Codex, the situation gets worse x3 -.-'
i'm trying to level skill lines for companions, grinding mobs inside there......almost finished with bastian and i have only 10pieces....

MakoRuu

One more day of grinding and still not a single piece. Did two full boss rotations and each room multiple times.

It's either bugged for some people, or the RNG is atrocious.

It was bugged at Blackwood's launch, but they claimed to have fixed it.

MakoRuu

The Scaly Cloth Scraps seem to be bugged now after the incident with the patches and maintenance.

I've been in The Silent Halls for over two hours, done three full boss rotations, farmed in circles hundreds of trash mobs, and didn't get a single drop.

Tannus15

duagloth wrote: »

I just bought the scraps, then grind sonething easier to recoup the gold 😆

this. pretty much any time i run into a grind i try to compare if i would rather do the grind or just a general "gold grind". if gold grind is more enjoyable, then i just buy the thing.

MasterSpatula

alberichtano wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

Ah well, they want player retention. Some people perhaps actually farm these, so in those cases the retention might work.

Sometimes ZOS appears to be fundamentally incapable of grasping that "discouragingly hard" is as bad or worse than "boringly easy" for engagement.

To be fair though, it must be hard to try to cater to two different groups with diametricaly opposite wants - the hard core gamers who lust for more challange and who think that everything is too easy, and the more casual players who don't want everything to be an unending grind of ridiculous difficulty. Both groups have a right to their points of view, and neither of them is wrong, they are just each others opposites when it comes to gameplay preference.

Yeah, but that's my point. The answer is balance. Some people want a cakewalk. Some people want a protracted, monotonous, tedious grind (I find that hard to believe, but I've seen people on this forum complain that we don't have any WBs you have to camp for a week hoping for them to spawn, so I guess those guys must be out there too.) Most people want neither of these things but something in the middle--something in balance.

RisenEclipse

alberichtano wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

joerginger wrote: »

Ah well, they want player retention. Some people perhaps actually farm these, so in those cases the retention might work.

Sometimes ZOS appears to be fundamentally incapable of grasping that "discouragingly hard" is as bad or worse than "boringly easy" for engagement.

To be fair though, it must be hard to try to cater to two different groups with diametricaly opposite wants - the hard core gamers who lust for more challange and who think that everything is too easy, and the more casual players who don't want everything to be an unending grind of ridiculous difficulty. Both groups have a right to their points of view, and neither of them is wrong, they are just each others opposites when it comes to gameplay preference.

I'm having a hard time seeing that the "I want harder overland" would actually enjoy or want something like this. It's not hard at all to get the scraps. You literally just melt everything in the dungeon a thousand times. That's not more difficult content. It's not even suspenseful content. It's just boring! There is no skill involved in getting the scraps. The only thing it is, is tedious. More difficult content is not mind numbing grinding. That's something that ZOS has a hard time understanding in this game. Instead of bosses with cool and difficult mechanics you need to figure out, we get bosses with long drawn out immunity phases to force the fights to be longer. That is not harder content. Now if you want longer content, then grinding for the scraps for weeks, and fighting bosses that have huge immunity phases would actually be your cup of tea.

MakoRuu

Keep in mind, being dope is an exclusive club.

A friend of mine just started playing ESO, has no gear, no experience, no armor, no Champion Ranks; and he's having a hard time in overland just doing zone content like delves and participating in world boss fights.

Harder overland doesn't only affect us.

proprio.meb16_ESO

MakoRuu wrote: »

The Scaly Cloth Scraps seem to be bugged now after the incident with the patches and maintenance.

I've been in The Silent Halls for over two hours, done three full boss rotations, farmed in circles hundreds of trash mobs, and didn't get a single drop.

Ive been there yesterday. Ive finished getting the 50 pieces a while ago but still get there to get more for resale. Got 3 pieces in less than an hour. Its just rng and its just a grind.

MakoRuu

proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »

MakoRuu wrote: »

The Scaly Cloth Scraps seem to be bugged now after the incident with the patches and maintenance.

I've been in The Silent Halls for over two hours, done three full boss rotations, farmed in circles hundreds of trash mobs, and didn't get a single drop.

Ive been there yesterday. Ive finished getting the 50 pieces a while ago but still get there to get more for resale. Got 3 pieces in less than an hour. Its just rng and its just a grind.

I don't know, man. The last time it was broke it was like this. I was there for over two hours with multiple characters. I switched thinking something might change. It could be bugged per person, like if you have more than one in your inventory or something.

proprio.meb16_ESO

MakoRuu wrote: »

proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »

MakoRuu wrote: »

The Scaly Cloth Scraps seem to be bugged now after the incident with the patches and maintenance.

I've been in The Silent Halls for over two hours, done three full boss rotations, farmed in circles hundreds of trash mobs, and didn't get a single drop.

Ive been there yesterday. Ive finished getting the 50 pieces a while ago but still get there to get more for resale. Got 3 pieces in less than an hour. Its just rng and its just a grind.

I don't know, man. The last time it was broke it was like this. I was there for over two hours with multiple characters. I switched thinking something might change. It could be bugged per person, like if you have more than one in your inventory or something.

Ive had long runs without drops, it happens... when pieces drop theyre often close (in time) one another. Depending on the available time i usually run half an hour to 45 mins, if i get nothing, then i stop, do something else, and return later or directly the day after.

I had 5 in my inv yesterday and got 3 more.. its not a matter of how many you already have, just pure rng.

BahometZ

This 50 pieces needed for public dungeon collectibles has got to go away. Mind-numbing tedium disguised as content. At least Labyrinthian gave a unique dummy. The murkmire and high isle collectibles are just another costume and pet to forget about on top of the endless amount of forgettable pets and costumes that Zenimax throw at players. Too much useless fluff hidden behind boring content. The new public dungeons aren't even laid out well for farming, and aren't appealing enough to be worth the repeat visits. 1/10.

BloodyStigmata

The trick is to let other people grind for you, and then buy it with your hoarded wealth.

Or at least that's my solution for everything that isn't bound.

Androrix

Ha ha! I have been gathering these for friend who said she wanted the gown. The best way for me is to say to myself I will run through twice or until I have killed each boss. That's also how I did Labrynthian. Usually I get a couple of scraps. Otherwise it is mind-numbing.

This dungeon is so much more boring than labrynthian. I think because it is actually small and there are so few mobs to drop anything.

Jaraal

MakoRuu wrote: »

The Scaly Cloth Scraps seem to be bugged now after the incident with the patches and maintenance.

I've been in The Silent Halls for over two hours, done three full boss rotations, farmed in circles hundreds of trash mobs, and didn't get a single drop.

Yeah I decided to try and get this gown. Went to the dungeon, killed everything as fast as possible for two hours..... and got zero scraps. Checked that off my list immediately. Can't see any reason to ever go back.

whitecrow

After seeing what we need for the High Isle haj mota I decided I'm not going to bother collecting these things any more. I sold off my ONE cloth scrap along with the one of each item I got in High Isle. For now I'm keeping the pieces I got from Labyrinthian since I have 11 and I tend to go back there more often when there is a group event endeavor, and I fight the mobs along the way. Also good for skeleton, spider and ghost endeavors.

Auldwulfe

Nothing I will ever need --- too much pain in the tail, but you know, it's sort of like finding a super cash chest if you do get one ..... guild store that one....cha-ching!!!

And others will grind for the gold that I will now get, out of luck ..... cha-ching!!

Thanks, ZOS, for creating more reasons for gold bloat on characters.

And yes, there is a touch of sarcasm and irony, in this post.

Auldwulfe

P.S. to be honest, like other things, I will probably find out one of my friends, or a guildmate, is working on this, and just give the parts to them...... but I had to be just a little snarky..... and it has created an easily abused situation.

Wolf_Eye

I’m still working on the dummy from Skyrim and the door from Blackwood. I won’t move on from these two dungeons until I get them. I love the Labrynthian because of how it’s set up and so many delicious urns, so I might return even after I get it.


But yeah. I’m not getting the dress is because I don’t think I want to do that grind for something that I dont think looks very interesting.

Androrix

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I’m still working on the dummy from Skyrim and the door from Blackwood. I won’t move on from these two dungeons until I get them. I love the Labrynthian because of how it’s set up and so many delicious urns, so I might return even after I get it.


But yeah. I’m not getting the dress is because I don’t think I want to do that grind for something that I dont think looks very interesting.

It's more the dungeon for me. Just a sense of "uggghh" comes over me at the thought of going back in there, whereas I agree with you Labrynthian was fun. Also, if one other person is in Silent Halls there are so few enemies that there is nothing even left to kill. As I said above, just give yourself a goal..I will stay here until I have killed each boss once. Or, I will go through twice and done. Do it in bits to alleviate the tedium.

Carcamongus

The grind in Labyrinthian and Zenithar's Abbey was long, but tolerable. Silent Halls was a major pain in the posterior, though I did notice more scaly scraps dropping when I went back there a few months ago. I didn't like that public dungeon, but having to go on a loop for countless hours made me despise it. At least I took the opportunity to level Ember and Isobel while looking for the damned scraps. I eventually collected all 50 and now I don't want to set foot in that dump ever again.

wolfie1.0.

Best method I have found was to do these in groups of 2 to 5 people. Go in grab the mobs in a group. Then share the results at the end.

Wolf_Eye

Androrix wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I’m still working on the dummy from Skyrim and the door from Blackwood. I won’t move on from these two dungeons until I get them. I love the Labrynthian because of how it’s set up and so many delicious urns, so I might return even after I get it.


But yeah. I’m not getting the dress is because I don’t think I want to do that grind for something that I dont think looks very interesting.

It's more the dungeon for me. Just a sense of "uggghh" comes over me at the thought of going back in there, whereas I agree with you Labrynthian was fun. Also, if one other person is in Silent Halls there are so few enemies that there is nothing even left to kill. As I said above, just give yourself a goal..I will stay here until I have killed each boss once. Or, I will go through twice and done. Do it in bits to alleviate the tedium.

That’s true. For whatever reason, the two dungeons in Blackwood feel more irritating than the Western Skyrim ones. It feels like there’s a lot less containers to loot, and more shielded enemies (higher health, like trolls) that take a while to burn down if you’re trying to multi task training an alt while collecting.

I also think I preferred the aesthetics of Skyrim dungeons as well; Zenithars just gets irritating to look at after a few rounds for some reason…