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HighIsles MUSIC ( bad PiratesOfCarribean ripoff)
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Lol ,the toxicity just don't quit in here, does it? But seriously it sounds lively , a little too much reliance on synth orchestra samplings . Sounds like this could of been part of the old Morrowind soundtrack with some of those cheap string samples lol.
But overall it's solid. I don't hate it , but it's so obvious they were like " What if Jack Sparrow , sailed to Tamriel???!!!!!???"
Apart from all that cringe , I do think the pirate content should get a big bump in the future.
Would be a great sedge way for..... Adding a DIVE function to Swimming. Allowing us to Swim UNDERWATER.... And also, Personal boats u can craft or buy that are small , to war worthy...
And lastly ...adding full scale SHIP WARS....yaaaaa.....crank the generic pirate music! I like where this MAY be going.
But overall it's solid. I don't hate it , but it's so obvious they were like " What if Jack Sparrow , sailed to Tamriel???!!!!!???"
Apart from all that cringe , I do think the pirate content should get a big bump in the future.
Would be a great sedge way for..... Adding a DIVE function to Swimming. Allowing us to Swim UNDERWATER.... And also, Personal boats u can craft or buy that are small , to war worthy...
And lastly ...adding full scale SHIP WARS....yaaaaa.....crank the generic pirate music! I like where this MAY be going.
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✭✭✭✭Seriously if I (NOT a music-o-phile) can notice it in about 3 seconds, I think ESO better have arranged this beforehand or prepare to get sued.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis5 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »Seriously if I (NOT a music-o-phile) can notice it in about 3 seconds, I think ESO better have arranged this beforehand or prepare to get sued.
LMAO , that's hilarious. Ya , ripping off that sound was just too tempting and easy for the guy in charge of music at ZOS. This is NOT Jeremy Soules doing, that's for sure lol.
And I thought the high isles were about some giant Knight in shinning armor that has a power trip or something. What's up with the dollar tree grade Pirate theme? Lol, jk it's not that bad.
I hope the guy who composed it isn't reading this, cuz I feel it's a theme for one of those pirate themed "find the hidden object" mobile games lol or one of those resource management "build ur own island" mobile games. IM JUST JOKING. Your music isn't bad.3 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, couldn't be Jeremy Soules, he would have improved it.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis7 -
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It kind of is, except he did it first (if not Gustav Holst or Elgar). The Pirates of the Caribbean theme always sounded like Oblivion's which sampled a faster, more bombastic Morrowind theme. It's more obvious in this version.This is NOT Jeremy Soules doing, that's for sure lol.Edited by kaushad on March 15, 2022 1:11AM6 -
Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well pirates of the Caribbean was utterly derivative music in the first place so I can't see any prospect of legal action (Klaus Badelt didn't invent the jig -- he used it *because* it's long been associated with "pirate" music; it's a cliché). And the melody is completely different. About the only thing vaguely similar is the drums, and given that since the rise / crushing blow to musical originality of Hans Zimmer everyone uses precisely the same drum sounds, can't really see any complaint there, either.
Edit: I've nothing against Zimmer as one person, but that his disciples all sound almost exactly the same is a problem, and it's infecting everyone else at this point. His style is basically loud or louder, plus misused and overbearing horns, with a perfect and unvarying time signature -- made ultra obvious because a moment without drums is verboten - - that happens because the music is, in most part, coming off a computer. Subtle and evolving it ain't. We don't need every soundtrack for films and games and TV shows to sound like that.
Not to knock High Isle's tune -- lots of people seem to like it and ESO is very much above par musically -- but some of ESO's finest musical moments have been the quiet, *different* ones that make full use of wider orchestration than the Zimmer palette. I was into the first few bars of High Isle and then we went back to yet more drumming and slightly off harmonies and note progressions that don't know quite where they want to go and I just thought "Really? Again?"
Also, the most interesting part of the Elder Scrolls theme, IMO, is the secondary theme / motif: the upward rise followed by drop back that comes *after* the endless sung-flat yelling in Skyrim and closes out the (musically much more sophisticated) Oblivion theme. I don't know why it keeps being ignored. It's the grown up bit that makes the whole thing work.Edited by Northwold on March 15, 2022 11:12AM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Weirdly enough, I really like this music, because all of the high vocals on the soundtrack are actually reminding me of AION online's older tracks, back when the Steel Rose and the Steel Rake (pirate themed instances, from around the time when POTC was at the height of its popularity) were released. ESO is by far not the first or the last game who will capitalize on the stereotypical "pirate" sound established by media much older than POTC.
I like it, it's pretty nostalgic, though I feel the transitions between tracks sound really choppy and a little unrefined.Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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silvereyes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My new Breton toon is going to be Johnny Derp.
I'll be very surprised if Deltia didn't already use that years ago.
Sounds like one of his chars. [PC/NA] @silvereyes | My Addons on ESOUI.com1 -
I don't know how i feel about this.
The last 2 years theme music has tangibly put me on edge and triggered mid grade annoyance at how bad / edgy / terrible it is. A real poison pill of a warning unless you hit mute.
This one is great.. but.. it is a pirates rip off. How could they approve this with a rational mind?
At least its not the greymoor or blackwood themes. Im greatful, really i am.2 -
Rasande_Robin✭✭✭✭I like it. There are tunes in the music it's a ripoff from music...
I mean common somewhere, sometime there has always been a certain arrangements of tunes. What we "think" is original is not, you will be surprised.
Comes back to the "ignorance" of that WoW was the first mmo, because that was the first mmo they played.PC/EU: Orcana "something"-stone3 -
drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭lmao, Morrowind was made in 2002, pirates of the Caribbean was made in 2007.
Morrowind's theme is a very known lick, which is easier to interpret when thinking of triplets (start by playing the last 2 and a full bar, silence for the first of the triplets, rinse and repeat). Oblivion's theme has the same lick only faster. Skyrim's theme uses it in the middle of it's theme, slightly slower than oblivion's version but more upbeat.
It's a common rhythmic succession which pirates of the Caribbean also uses.
If anything, PotC is a rip-off of Morrowind's theme.19 -
drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭Then again, the Katy Perry lawsuit teaches us that one-note with no melody (just rhythmic in succession) is good enough for actual lawsuits, so I wouldn't be surprised.0
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Deter1UK✭✭✭✭✭Well…
The theme is Elder Scrolls worked into a jig
A jig was a popular medieval peasant rhythm
As far as I know all music is recorded live not sampled
So absolutely nothing to do with pirates of any kind Caribbean or otherwise except that popular culture has embedded such music into films well enough that people think it is.14 -
Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes I'm baffled by this. Hollywood popularised the jig as the sound of seafaring swashbuckling and pirates (along with the Dynasty-style orchestral flourish for hoisting any mainsail in any sailing sequence, which is why some Mahler symphonies now sound like they've been ripped from pirate flicks). Pirates of the Caribbean then deliberately ripped that off *because* it's so clichéd that people just get it (and with a laughably basic melody, to boot). And now people think Pirates invented it. Go figure!Well…
The theme is Elder Scrolls worked into a jig
A jig was a popular medieval peasant rhythm
As far as I know all music is recorded live not sampled
So absolutely nothing to do with pirates of any kind Caribbean or otherwise except that popular culture has embedded such music into films well enough that people think it is.Edited by Northwold on March 15, 2022 1:52PM9 -
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✭✭✭It reminded me of the Oblivion theme, with the ever-present Morrowind theme there, too.5 -
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✭✭✭✭The themes ESO has been doing every year for the chapter is based off the Morrowind theme, which itself has pretty much become the theme for Elder Scrolls. Having similar instruments to the Pirates of the Caribbean theme doesn’t make it a rip off. Here’s the Morrowind theme if you don’t believe me:
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And compare it to the High Isle theme:
Edited by WuffyCerulei on March 15, 2022 2:26PMSorcerer's pretty much been the same for years. Nerf Rush of Agony and Saints&Seducer's12 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I thought Pirates copied Gladiator?
The first time I heard the Gladiator music, I was like, "Okay, which movie came out first?"DarcyMardin wrote: »It reminded me of the Oblivion theme, with the ever-present Morrowind theme there, too.
Same. That fast, bombastic trumpet opening to the game!Edited by VaranisArano on March 15, 2022 5:01PM1 -
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✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I thought Pirates copied Gladiator?
Well Klaus Badelt worked with Zimmer on both.0 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭You all should go check the Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard Main Theme lol. That game was all about pirates. Wish they could of took inspiration from that "masterpiece " lmao1
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✭✭✭You all should go check the Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard Main Theme lol. That game was all about pirates. Wish they could of took inspiration from that "masterpiece " lmao
OMG! Redguard theme was sooo corny! LolDrakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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Yes I'm baffled by this. Hollywood popularised the jig as the sound of seafaring swashbuckling and pirates (along with the Dynasty-style orchestral flourish for hoisting any mainsail in any sailing sequence, which is why some Mahler symphonies now sound like they've been ripped from pirate flicks). Pirates of the Caribbean then deliberately ripped that off *because* it's so clichéd that people just get it (and with a laughably basic melody, to boot). And now people think Pirates invented it. Go figure!Well…
The theme is Elder Scrolls worked into a jig
A jig was a popular medieval peasant rhythm
As far as I know all music is recorded live not sampled
So absolutely nothing to do with pirates of any kind Caribbean or otherwise except that popular culture has embedded such music into films well enough that people think it is.
The first time I heard Mahler 2, about 13 minutes in, "Whoa! Did the Death Star just explode?"1 -
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✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »The themes ESO has been doing every year for the chapter is based off the Morrowind theme, which itself has pretty much become the theme for Elder Scrolls. Having similar instruments to the Pirates of the Caribbean theme doesn’t make it a rip off. Here’s the Morrowind theme if you don’t believe me:
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And compare it to the High Isle theme:
My wife likes to joke that she cannot tell the difference between any of the Elder Scrolls theme songs. I believe what they have done is to take the same melody and add different things to it over the years. But yes, I agree with you.1 -
AboKor✭✭✭But for me it still remains completely incomprehensible.
To have It's own unique authentic Elder Scrolls melody and by 2022 cut it to the level that all individuality is lost, but everyone in any country starts talking about Pirates of Carribean?
Why is the loss of individuality now good?(khe-khe .. and I won't say anything about the uniqueness of the races in the game...)Furniture crafting PC EU0 -
Sarannah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭We need the ES3: Morrowind theme song available to play with. To me that is THE elder scrolls game music. Nothing beats that theme, and I always want to hear it when playing. So calming, relaxing, and just generally awesome!0 -
Tra_Lalan✭✭✭✭✭Most of the "original soundtracks' from movies that you are trying to defend here, are basicaly rip off from something that existed before. When they do movie montage they already use some music that was already made as a hint for the composer what kind of musical stuff should be happening in that scene. The movie is already cut to fit that music. That is why the composer hasn't got much freedom to create something new.
They ripp off other movie music composers on daily basis. That beeing said lets not forget, that the composers they rip off usualy have already stolen their bits from classical music composers. This includes even such popular things like pirates theme, most of the star wars music, etc.
If you want an example, compare Handel's Sarabande and the bit from Phantom Menance. The classical star wars ost is guilty too. Just saying 2 -
Gaebriel0410✭✭✭✭✭I love the High Isle theme with all my heart and you can't stop me.
Though this thread reminds me of youtube comment sections full of super cynical armchair musicians waxing poetically on how the artist was playing note x wrong, was sloppy at 1:34 in, s/he ripped off song xyz and totally should have used a pentatonic scale / insert brainy misplaced musician word.
Musically basically everything in terms of composition has already been done once before, and it was likely a few hundred years ago haha. Every fantasy soundtrack ever is derived from music much older than PotC. I don't even get the PotC reference in the first place, nothing in the entire song screams pirate to me.
If I think of a pirate sounding music, it's the Monkey Island theme.
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S0Z0H✭✭✭When you start up the game and see the title screen , it's not that bad actually. It fits nicely overall0
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✭✭✭After reading a lot of these post's during PTS, I sat and just listened to the new load music for a bit.
I do not hear the POTC theme, though it is similar.
What I hear is~ the slow guitarish part is a rework of TES3, then it goes into a revamp of TES4, which is what some say is POTC, and yes I hear a bit of the original ESO theme and some TES5.
I might be wrong but, as a musician, that is what I hear.
Just my 2 drakes.
@ZOS_BradDerrick @ZOS_Kevin Any input on what influenced the new music?
P.S. Love the new music by the way... Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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