I hated Blackwood and will skip High Isle

Sylvermynx

VaranisArano wrote: »

Whether or not I agree with your take on the boringness of Bretons (I don't), it only goes to show one of the major flaws of the year-long story system:

Players who don't care for the theme miss out on a year of content.

I didn't care much for Skyrim Nostalgia&Game of Thrones fanservice Year of the Dragon.

I didn't care much for TES V Dawnguard&Vampire fanservice Dark Heart of Skyrim.

I wasn't even all that into rebranded Mythic Dawn & Oblivion Crisis Gates of Oblivion.

The year-long story system is the MMO equivalent of putting all your eggs in one basket. Yes, there's loads of benefits for the team like focused marketing, cohesive designs, reusing assets, epilogues that require buying both story pieces, and really hooking the players who are totally into the theme. So I have no doubt that ZOS will continue to produce new year-long stories.

But it is all the eggs in one basket. When a player isn't interested in the theme, that's a whole year where there's not a whole lot of content to keep them logging into ESO.

Well, I might not have had any use at all for the weres-and-vamps of Greymoor/Markarth, but I still logged in every day because of the house and antiquities....

Blinx

I didn't care for Blackwood myself, and Deadlands was only tolerable for me because of Arox.
I really liked Markath, tho Greymoor was kind of meh,I don't expect High Isles to be any better, the quality story wise seems to have plummeted imo.
Yet, I mainly PVE, so Yes I will buy High Isles eventually, whenever it's on sale for a hefty discount

kaushad

[snip]

[snip] but I do. I didn't buy Elsweyr or Dragonhold for dragons, I bought it to go to Elsweyr, which is similar to why I bother with any DLC. I agree that the issue you described may apply this year, for people like the OP in particular, but it would be the first time since Murkmire that a story DLC has had a theme significantly related to its setting.

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shadyjane62

Bought Greymoor and subbed for a year. Regretted the Greymoor part. Gave in and bought Blackwood and regretted it subbed and regretted it.

Too much regret piled on in the last two years to try it again.

I still login everyday and do something but it's not the same as it once was.

kind_hero

@Vanya I am curious about what you liked so much regarding the Greymoor story and setting. And I am not asking with sarcasm.

In my opinion (having played all the chapters in order, after the base game), Greymoor had the weakest story, that only got better with the Reach DLC. The Reach DLC was enjoyable, the dwemer setting, fascinating. However, the main Greymoor story was very predictable. From the 1st interaction with the king I could tell that something was off, that he was under a spell, curse, whatever. The female heroine part was also boring after we had the same type of character (Khamira) in Elsweyr.

Also, the hype of returning to Skyrim did not hold up to the expectations. Greymoor was a missed opportunity. Most of the quests were forgettable or their plot predictable, copy paste from other stories. Visually it is beautiful, but that was it. There was no extra depth to the Nords and their culture, we got the same drunktard stereotypes. The vampire theme was better implemented though.

Regarding Blackwood, I tend to agree that it could have been better. For my taste, there was too little imperial content, in favor of more Murkmire Argonian stuff.

Speaking of story, I tend to agree with the majority, that Daedric plots were becoming the norm, and people who play this game for a long time got bored with the theme. Maybe you didn't play so much, or you really enjoy them, which is OK. But for me, everywhere I go, there is some daedric curse, spell, minion etc, it's kind of repetitive. If High Isle delivers a fresh, interesting plot, I would be happy. Let's take this as a chance to enjoy something different.

Bretons might not be interesting to you, but I see them (as the Blackwood imperials) as a missed opportunity. The devs did not covered much of these races lore and culture. The older TES games created a different image of these races. In ESO, the Bretons and Imperials are generic fantasy human races, losing much of their Elder Scrolls identity. I hope this will not repeat with High Isle, otherwise I will share your disappointment. But what I am trying to say is that Bretons could be a very interesting race and High Isle has a great potential to be a fascinating chapter. I hope the devs will deliver this time, because everything else they announced for this year is disappointing to me.

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Vanya

kind_hero wrote: »

@Vanya I am curious about what you liked so much regarding the Greymoor story and setting. And I am not asking with sarcasm.

In my opinion (having played all the chapters in order, after the base game), Greymoor had the weakest story, that only got better with the Reach DLC. The Reach DLC was enjoyable, the dwemer setting, fascinating. However, the main Greymoor story was very predictable. From the 1st interaction with the king I could tell that something was off, that he was under a spell, curse, whatever. The female heroine part was also boring after we had the same type of character (Khamira) in Elsweyr.

Also, the hype of returning to Skyrim did not hold up to the expectations. Greymoor was a missed opportunity. Most of the quests were forgettable or their plot predictable, copy paste from other stories. Visually it is beautiful, but that was it. There was no extra depth to the Nords and their culture, we got the same drunktard stereotypes. The vampire theme was better implemented though.

Regarding Blackwood, I tend to agree that it could have been better. For my taste, there was too little imperial content, in favor of more Murkmire Argonian stuff.

Speaking of story, I tend to agree with the majority, that Daedric plots were becoming the norm, and people who play this game for a long time got bored with the theme. Maybe you didn't play so much, or you really enjoy them, which is OK. But for me, everywhere I go, there is some daedric curse, spell, minion etc, it's kind of repetitive. If High Isle delivers a fresh, interesting plot, I would be happy. Let's take this as a chance to enjoy something different.

Bretons might not be interesting to you, but I see them (as the Blackwood imperials) as a missed opportunity. The devs did not covered much of these races lore and culture. The older TES games created a different image of these races. In ESO, the Bretons and Imperials are generic fantasy human races, losing much of their Elder Scrolls identity. I hope this will not repeat with High Isle, otherwise I will share your disappointment. But what I am trying to say is that Bretons could be a very interesting race and High Isle has a great potential to be a fascinating chapter. I hope the devs will deliver this time, because everything else they announced for this year is disappointing to me.

I will only tell you human that thou shalt be disappointed. Problem with individuals like you is their firm believe and a bearing false hope in something that will ultimately lead to absolutely inevitable disappointment. Titanborn was of the coolest characters , her voice, appearance, lines, She is classic. Skyrim setting is iconic , massive Blackreach, How can I possibly explain thee what I liked, Skyrim is Legendary , only a mudcrab can dislike anything related to Huh-Huah-Heh! And Dawns in fire! Weakest is a point of view. Why he liked it, Why is that, tastes cannot be defined. Ultimately is pointless. However what I find completely shocking is how can a soul love generic, dull, useless bland ,predictable {irony} humanoid Breton race over other high fantasy monsters,stories related again to paranormal, devilish, deadric or Demon. Whatever you wish to call it. Deadra are the worst threat of them all. I has to evolve around them. What else do you want? Something completely and entirely, new? Perhaps some entity or a God. We can never agree nor i want to spend my precious time writing essays and stories why do I find quests here and there greater than you. For Blackwood. I hated all about it , setting, Return of Eveli ,Eastern region reminded me a lot on Murkmire and fact one could spot clone companions on every corner. ESO has billions of quests and dialogue, What can I say to put it simply I did not. Why do you dislike some human being. There are regions,characters, plots, dialogue that one cannot stand and ends with it. It does not matter what kind of story will be there or fashioned lore,ancient culture because I cannot stand them. Period. Yea older games, but but you cannot delve in the past.The only exception of humanoid race are the Nords but they are extreme sole exception Indeed. Dovahkiin, their culture, setting, and all is what captured my heart and I find them funny and different. People who hate Nords will tell otherwise, be my guest to pick some dull Knight over a literal Demi-God who wields the power of Thu'um and their mighty warriors. Yes ES5 Skyrim did played massive role. I can say the same for Morrowind or Oblivion fans, would they not anticipate Morrowind or Blackwood expansion then if they hadn't played TES series back then? I can already picture. Bretons are closet you can possibly get to real humans. Their architecture, appearance classic Knights. You cannot get possibly closer. Just look at the fascinating Redguards, they are even MORE interesting. I think HAMMERFELL should have been next.Their lore and history is super intriguing and fighting spirit. I say THEy are the missing potential. Hammerfell is massive and a lot of places are left intact. I cannot believe they picked Bretons over Redguards. I have a redguard Templar and Akavir Desert is one my favorite regions and Sai Sahan is the most badass character in entire ESO universe and always will be. I have some feeling TES6 will be set in Hammerfell, why do devs hesitate to give them expansion or bigger update. Hammerfell is the only region left with enormous potential. Pretty much rest of Tamriel had been heavily used. I do not want to dig over my past but I posted a thread of Hammerfell expansion and full map last year I believe.

Aliyavana

Rada al-Saran was an interesting villian, but greymoor was boring. Markarth was the only redeeming part of that year

Aliyavana

ArchMikem wrote: »

Its funny, you miss Daedric plots but the majority of us are fed up with the stories being Daedra this Daedra that.

This. More grounded is better. I am glad Zos is giving the chance to possibly redeem bretons.

SammyKhajit

Vanya wrote: »

I hate Bretons and Imperial mini mouses. They're irritating me. Roast them for the hist and Superior Aldmeri Dominion! Hear , hear da hist! Hear da hist! I want High elves to rule entire Tamriel with inferior wood elves are servants and Khajiti. I hate Blackwood, I hate High Isle. I am going to log in and play older content. I love my impossibly gorgeous Altmer sorcerer and anything Altmer related. Tis my last post on forums. You mortals do enjoy time with ugly Imperials in Cyrodil, overrated Dagon and Bretons the Boring,.

How many times does Sammy have to remind people: don’t mix moon sugar with hist sap!

Vevvev

SammyKhajit wrote: »

Vanya wrote: »

I hate Bretons and Imperial mini mouses. They're irritating me. Roast them for the hist and Superior Aldmeri Dominion! Hear , hear da hist! Hear da hist! I want High elves to rule entire Tamriel with inferior wood elves are servants and Khajiti. I hate Blackwood, I hate High Isle. I am going to log in and play older content. I love my impossibly gorgeous Altmer sorcerer and anything Altmer related. Tis my last post on forums. You mortals do enjoy time with ugly Imperials in Cyrodil, overrated Dagon and Bretons the Boring,.

How many times does Sammy have to remind people: don’t mix moon sugar with hist sap!

Till the end of time. I'd recommend learning life extending magic and/or acquiring vampirism to aid in this crucial mission.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

VaranisArano wrote: »

Whether or not I agree with your take on the boringness of Bretons (I don't), it only goes to show one of the major flaws of the year-long story system:

Players who don't care for the theme miss out on a year of content.

I didn't care much for Skyrim Nostalgia&Game of Thrones fanservice Year of the Dragon.

I didn't care much for TES V Dawnguard&Vampire fanservice Dark Heart of Skyrim.

I wasn't even all that into rebranded Mythic Dawn & Oblivion Crisis Gates of Oblivion.

The year-long story system is the MMO equivalent of putting all your eggs in one basket. Yes, there's loads of benefits for the team like focused marketing, cohesive designs, reusing assets, epilogues that require buying both story pieces, and really hooking the players who are totally into the theme. So I have no doubt that ZOS will continue to produce new year-long stories.

But it is all the eggs in one basket. When a player isn't interested in the theme, that's a whole year where there's not a whole lot of content to keep them logging into ESO.

This; I left the game for a little less than two years [snip]. I’m hoping Fargrave is a sign they learned to diversify a little within the theme. *still hoping for Pyandonea in Q4*

[edited for minor bashing]

Aliyavana

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Whether or not I agree with your take on the boringness of Bretons (I don't), it only goes to show one of the major flaws of the year-long story system:

Players who don't care for the theme miss out on a year of content.

I didn't care much for Skyrim Nostalgia&Game of Thrones fanservice Year of the Dragon.

I didn't care much for TES V Dawnguard&Vampire fanservice Dark Heart of Skyrim.

I wasn't even all that into rebranded Mythic Dawn & Oblivion Crisis Gates of Oblivion.

The year-long story system is the MMO equivalent of putting all your eggs in one basket. Yes, there's loads of benefits for the team like focused marketing, cohesive designs, reusing assets, epilogues that require buying both story pieces, and really hooking the players who are totally into the theme. So I have no doubt that ZOS will continue to produce new year-long stories.

But it is all the eggs in one basket. When a player isn't interested in the theme, that's a whole year where there's not a whole lot of content to keep them logging into ESO.

This; I left the game for a little less than two years [snip]. I’m hoping Fargrave is a sign they learned to diversify a little within the theme. *still hoping for Pyandonea in Q4*

pyandonea deserves a chapter or an entire game about it, not a simple dlc

[edited to remove quote]

Sevalaricgirl

What I didn't like about Greymoor is that no one, NO ONE, knew my vampire was a vampire. The entire story line is about vampires and no one knows that Riven is one. I haven't done Blackwood yet and Summerset is indeed gorgeous. Orsinium used to be my favorite but I got sick of being

a criminal king's lackey

and now don't do it at all on my baby characters. I'd have to say Morrowind is my favorite with Summerset a close second. I did buy High Isle because Imperial, Khajiit and Bretons are my favorite races in that order and I like to see what the devs have done.

What do I like though are not the crates but the fact that none of the really expensive houses beat Hunding's except Ebonheart Chateaux so I am not tempted to spend 100.00 on a house.

Aliyavana

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

What I didn't like about Greymoor is that no one, NO ONE, knew my vampire was a vampire. The entire story line is about vampires and no one knows that Riven is one. I haven't done Blackwood yet and Summerset is indeed gorgeous. Orsinium used to be my favorite but I got sick of being

a criminal king's lackey

and now don't do it at all on my baby characters. I'd have to say Morrowind is my favorite with Summerset a close second. I did buy High Isle because Imperial, Khajiit and Bretons are my favorite races in that order and I like to see what the devs have done.

What do I like though are not the crates but the fact that none of the really expensive houses beat Hunding's except Ebonheart Chateaux so I am not tempted to spend 100.00 on a house.

I sorta wish we could have sided with Kurog. Malacath is keeping the orcs as pariahs who actually encourages them to raid the weak in hopes that the strong would challenge them. Trinimac would probably let the orcs operate more freely in Tamriel.

kind_hero

Vanya wrote: »

kind_hero wrote: »

@Vanya I am curious about what you liked so much regarding the Greymoor story and setting. And I am not asking with sarcasm.

In my opinion (having played all the chapters in order, after the base game), Greymoor had the weakest story, that only got better with the Reach DLC. The Reach DLC was enjoyable, the dwemer setting, fascinating. However, the main Greymoor story was very predictable. From the 1st interaction with the king I could tell that something was off, that he was under a spell, curse, whatever. The female heroine part was also boring after we had the same type of character (Khamira) in Elsweyr.

Also, the hype of returning to Skyrim did not hold up to the expectations. Greymoor was a missed opportunity. Most of the quests were forgettable or their plot predictable, copy paste from other stories. Visually it is beautiful, but that was it. There was no extra depth to the Nords and their culture, we got the same drunktard stereotypes. The vampire theme was better implemented though.

Regarding Blackwood, I tend to agree that it could have been better. For my taste, there was too little imperial content, in favor of more Murkmire Argonian stuff.

Speaking of story, I tend to agree with the majority, that Daedric plots were becoming the norm, and people who play this game for a long time got bored with the theme. Maybe you didn't play so much, or you really enjoy them, which is OK. But for me, everywhere I go, there is some daedric curse, spell, minion etc, it's kind of repetitive. If High Isle delivers a fresh, interesting plot, I would be happy. Let's take this as a chance to enjoy something different.

Bretons might not be interesting to you, but I see them (as the Blackwood imperials) as a missed opportunity. The devs did not covered much of these races lore and culture. The older TES games created a different image of these races. In ESO, the Bretons and Imperials are generic fantasy human races, losing much of their Elder Scrolls identity. I hope this will not repeat with High Isle, otherwise I will share your disappointment. But what I am trying to say is that Bretons could be a very interesting race and High Isle has a great potential to be a fascinating chapter. I hope the devs will deliver this time, because everything else they announced for this year is disappointing to me.

I will only tell you human that thou shalt be disappointed. Problem with individuals like you is their firm believe and a bearing false hope in something that will ultimately lead to absolutely inevitable disappointment. Titanborn was of the coolest characters , her voice, appearance, lines, She is classic. Skyrim setting is iconic , massive Blackreach, How can I possibly explain thee what I liked, Skyrim is Legendary , only a mudcrab can dislike anything related to Huh-Huah-Heh! And Dawns in fire! Weakest is a point of view. Why he liked it, Why is that, tastes cannot be defined. Ultimately is pointless. However what I find completely shocking is how can a soul love generic, dull, useless bland ,predictable {irony} humanoid Breton race over other high fantasy monsters,stories related again to paranormal, devilish, deadric or Demon. Whatever you wish to call it. Deadra are the worst threat of them all. I has to evolve around them. What else do you want? Something completely and entirely, new? Perhaps some entity or a God. We can never agree nor i want to spend my precious time writing essays and stories why do I find quests here and there greater than you. For Blackwood. I hated all about it , setting, Return of Eveli ,Eastern region reminded me a lot on Murkmire and fact one could spot clone companions on every corner. ESO has billions of quests and dialogue, What can I say to put it simply I did not. Why do you dislike some human being. There are regions,characters, plots, dialogue that one cannot stand and ends with it. It does not matter what kind of story will be there or fashioned lore,ancient culture because I cannot stand them. Period. Yea older games, but but you cannot delve in the past.The only exception of humanoid race are the Nords but they are extreme sole exception Indeed. Dovahkiin, their culture, setting, and all is what captured my heart and I find them funny and different. People who hate Nords will tell otherwise, be my guest to pick some dull Knight over a literal Demi-God who wields the power of Thu'um and their mighty warriors. Yes ES5 Skyrim did played massive role. I can say the same for Morrowind or Oblivion fans, would they not anticipate Morrowind or Blackwood expansion then if they hadn't played TES series back then? I can already picture. Bretons are closet you can possibly get to real humans. Their architecture, appearance classic Knights. You cannot get possibly closer. Just look at the fascinating Redguards, they are even MORE interesting. I think HAMMERFELL should have been next.Their lore and history is super intriguing and fighting spirit. I say THEy are the missing potential. Hammerfell is massive and a lot of places are left intact. I cannot believe they picked Bretons over Redguards. I have a redguard Templar and Akavir Desert is one my favorite regions and Sai Sahan is the most badass character in entire ESO universe and always will be. I have some feeling TES6 will be set in Hammerfell, why do devs hesitate to give them expansion or bigger update. Hammerfell is the only region left with enormous potential. Pretty much rest of Tamriel had been heavily used. I do not want to dig over my past but I posted a thread of Hammerfell expansion and full map last year I believe.

Hey, what you are describing here in your reply that is getting closer to a rant rather than a comment, is not ESO Greymoor, but Skyrim.

Yeah... Skyrim was immensely cool, but I did not feel much of the old Skyrim game in Greymoor. Maybe you are very hardcore regarding Skyrim, so everything added up for you, which I am glad that it did.

We got a small glimpse of dragon priests, and nothing about Thu'um magic, lots of things were not explored. We got more vampire, but if you played the Rivenspire, you get a better story there. Yeah, it is in Breton lands, but it's better written. I can only agree with you regarding Bretons being dull, because the leads of ESO represented them like that. Bretons are probably the least represented race in ESO, in terms of their ways. Redguards are better described, that's why I can agree with you that a Hammerfell chapter would have been better. However, this doesn't mean that Bretons could have a great chapter. It only depends on the quality of the writing and how creative the devs would be. The Redguard lore is more interesting because Bretons have almost no lore presented in ESO. I am not saying that Bretons are more interesting than Nords or Redguards, just that their ways haven't been fleshed out in the game, say like the Dunmer for example.

Regarding Bretons being the human race, you are mistaken. Bretons are actually half-elves. They have a strong connection to magic, which is poorly represented in ESO. Imperials are the "humans" of TES, because they do not have relevant supernatural abilities and are good with diplomacy, trade, etc, the "classic" attributes of humans in all fantasy games.

Anyway, since you say:

Vanya wrote: »

Why do you dislike some human being. There are regions,characters, plots, dialogue that one cannot stand and ends with it. It does not matter what kind of story will be there or fashioned lore,ancient culture because I cannot stand them. Period.

you aren't bringing any value or constructive criticism with your post. Maybe you weren't looking to. I am only posting in the forums that maybe 1% of what I post might contribute to some useful feedback, and make this game better. Saying it doesn't matter what you do, I will hate X anyway, doesn't help anyone.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Aliyavana wrote: »

pyandonea deserves a chapter or an entire game about it, not a simple dlc

Yeah but I’m not holding my breath here. And with this year already covering the islands and ships theme, odds are they aren’t going to do another similar locale for a few years, so it’s Q4 or nothing.

Mik195

The only issue I have with the chapters is the low level characters doing them. I feel bad when I'm working through the quests on my main and there's a low level who sees empty rooms because I killed everything and when I'm playing a low level, its not fun to have stronger characters wiping everything out even at 3am Sunday morning.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Sevalaricgirl wrote: »

What I didn't like about Greymoor is that no one, NO ONE, knew my vampire was a vampire. The entire story line is about vampires and no one knows that Riven is one. I haven't done Blackwood yet and Summerset is indeed gorgeous. Orsinium used to be my favorite but I got sick of being

a criminal king's lackey

and now don't do it at all on my baby characters. I'd have to say Morrowind is my favorite with Summerset a close second. I did buy High Isle because Imperial, Khajiit and Bretons are my favorite races in that order and I like to see what the devs have done.

What do I like though are not the crates but the fact that none of the really expensive houses beat Hunding's except Ebonheart Chateaux so I am not tempted to spend 100.00 on a house.

Not even Rada-Al-Saran knew if you were a Vampire or not.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Vanya wrote: »

Lixiviant wrote: »

I like all of the expansions, just like some of them more than others. A nice change from the usual stuff, especially when you finish all of the quests, skyshards, dungeons, etc in the other zones.

Problem with Bretons is the exceedingly humanoid appearance and typical Knightly culture. They are by far the least intriguing race of them all. I already know I won't like it. I cannot bare the look at them. The idea of being engrossed ,chained and consumed within their Isle ,story and typical recycled skins, weapons, mounts and I have to say High Isle is already not appealing to me. Tormenting thoughts and visions. One does not need to play. This Breton often referred as Boring world will be the worst expansion of them all. Bretons are so insanely dull. They do not deserve the expansion. I would be more satisfied with Akavir or Yokuda continent. Immense mistake. Further Hammerfell add-ons had to be done. Alas for tis too late now. There is plenty of expansion in Tamriel. Embrace High Isle should you wish so , mortals. Nothing ever shall surpass the Illustrious magnificence of Aldmeri Dominion and Incomparable Summerset!

You do know High Elves are mortal right?

Sylvermynx

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Vanya wrote: »

Lixiviant wrote: »

I like all of the expansions, just like some of them more than others. A nice change from the usual stuff, especially when you finish all of the quests, skyshards, dungeons, etc in the other zones.

Problem with Bretons is the exceedingly humanoid appearance and typical Knightly culture. They are by far the least intriguing race of them all. I already know I won't like it. I cannot bare the look at them. The idea of being engrossed ,chained and consumed within their Isle ,story and typical recycled skins, weapons, mounts and I have to say High Isle is already not appealing to me. Tormenting thoughts and visions. One does not need to play. This Breton often referred as Boring world will be the worst expansion of them all. Bretons are so insanely dull. They do not deserve the expansion. I would be more satisfied with Akavir or Yokuda continent. Immense mistake. Further Hammerfell add-ons had to be done. Alas for tis too late now. There is plenty of expansion in Tamriel. Embrace High Isle should you wish so , mortals. Nothing ever shall surpass the Illustrious magnificence of Aldmeri Dominion and Incomparable Summerset!

You do know High Elves are mortal right?

Heh. Well, some people are - um - very far into.... perceived superiority,. Regardless the actualities.

Malprave

I can’t believe how many posts here express a strong dislike for various post Orsinium zones. They all seem pretty awesome compared to the original fifteen zones, many of which are completely cringe worthy.

LostHorizon1933

So I asked Dagon how his runes were coming along.

He said “Meh.”

storm105

People overly romantize the old chapter format. The Dlcs released back then were stand alone that had nothing to do with the storyline so the only zones that related to the deadric war were vvardenfell, clockwork city and Summerset. I know people liked clockwork city, but it was also the least important of the three and could easily be skipped without missing anything. Orsinium was also a stand alone dlc and people loved it. The problem isn't the year long format it's just a decline in writing. Blackwood was obviously just created because they thought people would buy it if the appeal to oblivion nostalgia.

Kesstryl

I also enjoyed Greymoor. The story was good in concept, but really needed polish. Some of it was boring, and you could see who the bad buy was a million miles away. Player dialogue options were mediocre. But I LOVED some of the characters, prime one being Fennorian. Markarth as the follow up was a fantastic sequel and the story itself got so much better. Here's where the real bad guy who was more nuanced than the Greymoor one really shined. And then there's Count Verandis, second best character in game next to Caldwell. Dark Heart of Skyrim is the only other year long saga along side Morrowind where I felt emotionally moved by the characters and ending.

ADarklore

While I have always played with the AD alliance (I just think Queen Ayrenn is the most sympathetic to ALL races), the problem is a great many Altmer don't agree and would probably use the AD rule as a means to handicapping the other races. Having just played through Skyrim, I now see what's coming... too bad Ayrenn's attitude didn't spread to the other Altmer.

That being said, I think the Breton's have gotten a negative rep so far in ESO... however... I use Darien and even Jakarn as my example of what a Breton SHOULD be... just as I use Queen Ayrenn as an example of what an Altmer SHOULD be. So if we manage to find even more Bretons like Darien and Jakarn, I'll be happy!!

Grizzbeorn

ADarklore wrote: »

I use Darien and even Jakarn as my example of what a Breton SHOULD be...

You have something against Gabrielle?

ADarklore

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I use Darien and even Jakarn as my example of what a Breton SHOULD be...

You have something against Gabrielle?

Gabrielle who? Other than she's not a HOT Breton, no.

DagenHawk

I never quite understood posts that are made sheerly to convey the hate of a thing.

it really isn't going to affect change, and at the end of the thread nothing has been accomplished...the one good thing is we are seeing less and less of these on the forum.

Vevvev

ADarklore wrote: »

Grizzbeorn wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I use Darien and even Jakarn as my example of what a Breton SHOULD be...

You have something against Gabrielle?

Gabrielle who? Other than she's not a HOT Breton, no.

She's pretty nice to those who like nerdy types. Just saying....