Saturated mail box

Xarc

The system of pvp rewards by mail is really fast saturated, is there something we could do or imagine to prevent it ?

Arunei

Are you sure that's not just a visual blip, something potentially caused by an addon? Your inbox can only hold 100 mails at a time, unless that's been stealthily increased.

Xarc

it's pvp rewards + objects in tradguilds who experirated + rewards from dungeons etc

Arunei

That's still strange because like I said, your inbox normally can only hold 100 at a time. I think as you delete mails the backed up ones will come through, but I don't think it's supposed to display like that. I don't usually have a full mailbox though.

As for the mails themselves, there's really no other way to handle people getting their rewards/expired listings from those activities. You could try putting it into peoples' inventories or banks directly, but what if they're full? With mail, at least, they can retrieve stuff when they're ready (as long as it's before the 30 day auto delete anyway). Honestly your best bet is probably just to take the mail's contents before they can pile up too much, since the more they do, the more you'll have to find space for at once.

Maybe, if you have free character slots, you could make a new character to start pulling stuff onto from the mail, and sort/store it that way? It might be a hassle but then you don't have to worry about any of your mail getting deleted.

Xarc

The limit of 100 concerns only the mails you can get to your inventory until you update the mailbox then it loads the other mails until 100.

It takes me 1hour to clean the mailbox, just crazy and i'm gonna have an epileptic crisis when i see my char opening each pvp box turning on himself with zoom etc lol

Xarc

1 hour of this :
totally boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ckuUx30JbU

Tandor

If the OP would just empty his mailbox we could all keep our individual achievements !

Arunei

Xarc wrote: »

1 hour of this :
totally boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ckuUx30JbU

Hmmmm I feel like this is an elaborate ploy to show off your guy lol.

I know how tedious stuff like that can get though, it happens to me to a much lesser degree every Jubilee when I wind up with 150-200 surveys. I should just do them as I get them but I can never be bothered so I have dozens of them piled up at the end of the event, and then it takes me days to clear them all out.

PeacefulAnarchy

Arunei wrote: »

That's still strange because like I said, your inbox normally can only hold 100 at a time. I think as you delete mails the backed up ones will come through, but I don't think it's supposed to display like that. I don't usually have a full mailbox though.

The limit is 72, not 100, and yes it does display like that, though I've never gone past 110, so I don't know if there's a secondary background limit.

Xarc

And as you can see, mails have been received 5 days ago
I mean, it's not like I forgot to clean up the mailbox for 2 months, no, It's mainly because of the event.

But the point of this thread is to show to zenimax there's a problem with saturation and how opening boxes during 1hour can be extremely boring

Sleep724

It’s all from the previous event for me as well. And since I can’t pvp as often since then I hold on to the rewards to open them each day for the transmute crystals they back up. Should have an increased mail limit for eso plus subscribers.

AlnilamE

Tandor wrote: »

If the OP would just empty his mailbox we could all keep our individual achievements !

I'm trying to keep my inbox as clean as possible for that reason.

Thecompton73

I've posted about the exact same issue. The "rewards" for the worthy in PvP are more of a punishment for playing the mode too often. For every hour I PvP I I know I'll have to spend ten minutes clearing my mail box out if I want to get to anything I buy from a trader. It really is a factor in me not playing the game as often as I used to play.
The loot pool isn't very big so after about a month of any new sets being added everyone has them complete so it's not as if there is actually even anything to grind for with them. It would make the most sense to create a RftW currency and put all the PvP sets at a vendor to completely cut out the mailbox spam.
I even had a problem with the dizzies from the camera zoom like you describe, though that can be fixed by staying in first person as you open the boxes themselves.

Arunei

Unfortunately, there's really no other way for ZOS to get players their rewards or to return expired auctions, though. You can't have things put directly into peoples' inventories because they might be full, and if you had some other collection method, say going to a board or NPC to pick up rewards or whatever, you'd still have to go talk to them every so often and have all that stuff to sort through. They could give you fewer RotW boxes, but that's not a very good result for people who farm gear or whatever from those (or who farm them to get gold Transmute Geodes every day).

Maybe what they could do is give you fewer boxes but increase the amount of loot you get from them to make up for it?

Xarc

well I cleaned up the mailbox finally.

I think ZOS could do something though.
They separated mails from players and all other mails. But it could be interesting to separate again :

• the pvp and dungeon rewards
• all other mails like objets from tradeguild (sold, experiated or canceled), and furnitures from provider

Treeshka

Maybe they can change the reward system all together, and allow players have to claim their Rewards of the Worthy boxes from a window and all at once, directly to the player inventory. Also making the boxes stacking. So in the end no more mail based delivery.

PeacefulAnarchy

Xarc wrote: »

I think ZOS could do something though.
They separated mails from players and all other mails. But it could be interesting to separate again :

• the pvp and dungeon rewards
• all other mails like objets from tradeguild (sold, experiated or canceled), and furnitures from provider

They're only separated in the display, though. The mail limit is the same for all of them. The only "solution" would be to have them be actually different queues.

olsborg

I agree, emptying a nights or even a few nights earned rewards of the worthy can be a drag. No, it is a drag, bleh.

Narvuntien

I open PVP rewards one day at a time for maximum transmute crystals. That would take me several years to clear

Xarc

yes, changing reward system like keys for undaunted but with keys for pvp rewards.
each 25k ap you got a pvp key, for exemple.

Amottica

Xarc wrote: »

it's pvp rewards + objects in tradguilds who experirated + rewards from dungeons etc

Context is needed as that does not look like a couple of days of mail but many weeks worth even for someone who spends a lot of hours each day in PvP. So opening mail from time to time is needed, not a change to the game.

LashanW

Since you are on PC, there are addons that will take care of taking attachments from mail and auto opening them. Just one button. They have lots of options to configure to your liking.


https://esoui.com/downloads/info850-PostmasterMail.html
https://esoui.com/downloads/info1655-Unboxer.html

Northwold

More basic suggestion: let us select multiple mails for deletion at the same time!

EnerG

I will never understand how peoe have inventory isses this bad. How would you even let your mail get that bad.

Arunei

Xarc wrote: »

well I cleaned up the mailbox finally.

I think ZOS could do something though.
They separated mails from players and all other mails. But it could be interesting to separate again :

• the pvp and dungeon rewards
• all other mails like objets from tradeguild (sold, experiated or canceled), and furnitures from provider

You'd still have the same number of mails, though, just scattered under different categories. It might make prioritizing which mails you open first a bit easier, but it wouldn't solve the overall issue you have with having a lot of mail.

Treeshka wrote: »

Maybe they can change the reward system all together, and allow players have to claim their Rewards of the Worthy boxes from a window and all at once, directly to the player inventory. Also making the boxes stacking. So in the end no more mail based delivery.

That wouldn't exactly work, though. If you let your rewards pile up then you have the problem of potentially not having bag space to claim everything. Boxes also can't stack because their contents are completely random. If each one gave you the same thing that would be different, but afaik every reward box can have different items in it, regardless of the source of said box.

Honestly, the best thing is probably just to not let your inbox get that full. If you're getting a lot of RotW then open them every 5 or 10 boxes. If you know it's going to be a pain if you let them pile up too much, the best option is likely to simply not let them pile up that much.

Even if it was a system where you get some kind of token to turn in like with Undaunted Keys to get your reward box, you'd still more than likely have to buy them individually. Even if it worked more like furnishing BP boxes you can get the from Rolls/Faustina (you can buy them in bulk rather than one at a time), you're still going to have to open them one at a time, and if you let your tokens pile up you then have a bunch of boxes you still need to open.

On top of that, with tokens you'd have to specifically go somewhere to turn them in, which would theoretically make it more of a hassle than mail, which you can open from anywhere (such as inside a bank, for example, where you can do any necessary inventory management easier, if you don't have a banker and/or merchant assistant).

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Maybe a delay on the mail? When you hit the threshold to get an item, have it wait for the next threshold, and continue to wait until you either earn enough items to max the number of items a mail can hold (six, IIRC) or twenty hours have passed.

Xarc

Arunei wrote: »

Even if it was a system where you get some kind of token to turn in like with Undaunted Keys to get your reward box, you'd still more than likely have to buy them individually. Even if it worked more like furnishing BP boxes you can get the from Rolls/Faustina (you can buy them in bulk rather than one at a time), you're still going to have to open them one at a time, and if you let your tokens pile up you then have a bunch of boxes you still need to open.

On top of that, with tokens you'd have to specifically go somewhere to turn them in, which would theoretically make it more of a hassle than mail, which you can open from anywhere (such as inside a bank, for example, where you can do any necessary inventory management easier, if you don't have a banker and/or merchant assistant).

I think in term of data there's an awesome difference for the game.
Today they want to make Account Wide Achievement to increase data optimisation, then I think this could help too, and help players too.

Arunei

I genuinely don't see how it would help with optimization. The game would still need to track each token you get, just like it tracks your mail. You'd also need to add the NPC and/or location where you'd turn in these tokens, and then the game has to do checks to see who's using this vendor. I'm not exactly sure if this would all be less data than the mail, since we don't know how much data each piece of mail "costs" and we wouldn't know how much the data of adding a new NPC and at least one new check to the game would cost, or if it would be better on the game to track your tokens as opposed to your mail.

I sincerely don't think this is a problem ZOS needs to address, since everyone has the ability to check their mail and pull things from it at any given time, regardless of how much or little they have. Just like for me, it's my choice to let my mat surveys build up rather than doing them as I get them, or doing them every time I have maybe five or ten.

Also, in terms of your video, we only saw a handful of mails that were from several days ago, and we did just have a PvP event that doubles your AP. You also mentioned they were mails from things like expired listings and Undaunted rewards for doing dungeons. Even if you're in 5 trade guilds and had 30 items in each and every single one expired, that's only 150 mails. If you do a random dungeon on 18 characters for a week, that's 126, so that's 276 mails that could very rarely but potentially be accounted for. You also get mail when you buy things from a guild trader, or when people mail you things. We could say another 224 mails would be from these two sources to give us 400 potentially accounted for mails.

That means you'd have to get over 1k mails from just RotW, in this particular instance. If 25k AP gets you one RotW, then 250k AP would get you 10. That means you'd need 2.5mil AP to get 100 RotW. To get 1k RotW that would be 25m AP, unless my math is off (I'm bad with numbers lol). I'm not sure if that's possible to get in 2 weeks even with double AP, but then again I rarely PvP outside of Mayhem, so I suppose it could be if someone is hella dedicated and has the time to play.

But I don't know if it would be possible to have that many mails in just 5 days, and I'm willing to bet there is absolutely no way you're in 5 guilds with traders and had 30 listings in each and every single one expired within the last several days. I legitimately don't think it's possible for this number of mails to accumulate over the course of less than a week, which means they had to have been accumulating for a longer time period.

And if it IS possible, the point remains that if your mail starts to reach a certain threshold, you should probably sort it before it has a chance to get too out of hand. Even if it's a bit more irritating to sort through it more often, it's going to be far less of a hassle than when it gets to this amount.

Holy heck this was longer than I meant for it to be.

Arunei

Whoops, it actually only takes 20k AP to get a RotW mail, which means to get 1k of them it should be 20m AP rather than 25m. That's still a huge amount to earn in just a handful of days though.

Bradyfjord

Xarc wrote: »

The system of pvp rewards by mail is really fast saturated, is there something we could do or imagine to prevent it ?

That makes me think of the day I realized that leaving dirty dishes until they build up is a bad idea. I wash the dishes immediately after every meal, if possible. That way it's just a few minutes instead of an ordeal. I think you're having the same problem with your mail, and you probably need to realize that you need to clean it more regularly so it isn't the hassle it is now.

Xarc

Arunei wrote: »

Whoops, it actually only takes 20k AP to get a RotW mail, which means to get 1k of them it should be 20m AP rather than 25m. That's still a huge amount to earn in just a handful of days though.

Bradyfjord wrote:

That makes me think of the day I realized that leaving dirty dishes until they build up is a bad idea. I wash the dishes immediately after every meal, if possible. That way it's just a few minutes instead of an ordeal. I think you're having the same problem with your mail, and you probably need to realize that you need to clean it more regularly so it isn't the hassle it is now.

it's what I got during mayhem


(i'm french so ravenwatch is "corbeguet")
Also i played with other chars so I 've earned about 25millions AP all over my chars, which gives me a lot of mails as you can see on 1st post.

I'm not saying "hey look i'm first", but you 're saying i'm not cleaning up my mailbox faster enough. I'm saying all theses mails have been sent in 4-5 days only, I got not only pvp rewards but also ressources and expirated items from tradeguilds (I have 3 trading guilds), and I cleaned up 2 times my mailbox during the event BY THE WAY.