Confused about account wide achievements and any QOL pros from it

Iselin

Just back subbing to the game after having been gone since the Skyrim Chapter.

I've been searching here and googling trying to find any game playing pros of account wide achievements but can't find anything that tells me if, for example, all wayshrine unlocks will now be account wide or if a companion unlock will still require each of my characters (18 of them) to do the companion unlock quest individually, etc. Like what are the good bits of this from a purely utilitarian, game playing, QOL, perspective. Or is it just titles and achievements (e.g. bards college instrument scavenger hunt, etc.)?

If there is a list somewhere I'd appreciate a link.

I know some people feel strongly about this new thing and I'm not trying to start another heated thread about that. Just looking for facts, a list, about what will now be account wide that wasn't before that may be a good thing for those of us who play many alts.

Vevvev

It's a hotly debated topic right now on the PTS section of the forums.


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596970/pts-update-33-feedback-thread-for-account-wide-achievements/p1

Iselin

Vevvev wrote: »

It's a hotly debated topic right now on the PTS section of the forums.


https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/596970/pts-update-33-feedback-thread-for-account-wide-achievements/p1

Yeah I know. It's one of the threads I looked through but it's high on passion and short on the specifics I'm looking for

Vevvev

There's plenty of specifics in there if you dig deep enough.

Basically the cons and the pros are the following

Pros

• All titles are shared (A con for some like me)
• Progress on some achievements across characters is combined.

Cons

• It breaks museum quests.
• It removes the ability to see what character did what.
• It breaks the zone guide which looks at your achievements to find out what you've done.
• Removes tracked progress on a character removing a sense of accomplishment, as well as add complications to the Slayer quests which give experience and probably even the public dungeon achievements which give skill points.
• Makes Undaunted harder to level up for some even with the experience buff on dungeons and stuff done.

Probably more but that's what came off the top of my head.

tmbrinks

Iselin wrote: »

Just back subbing to the game after having been gone since the Skyrim Chapter.

I've been searching here and googling trying to find any game playing pros of account wide achievements but can't find anything that tells me if, for example, all wayshrine unlocks will now be account wide or if a companion unlock will still require each of my characters (18 of them) to do the companion unlock quest individually, etc. Like what are the good bits of this from a purely utilitarian, game playing, QOL, perspective. Or is it just titles and achievements (e.g. bards college instrument scavenger hunt, etc.)?

If there is a list somewhere I'd appreciate a link.

I know some people feel strongly about this new thing and I'm not trying to start another heated thread about that. Just looking for facts, a list, about what will now be account wide that wasn't before that may be a good thing for those of us who play many alts.

Wayshrines will NOT be unlocked account wide.
Companions will still require you to do each quest to unlock them. You'll still have to level rapport separately.

The list provided to us by ZoS is in the PTS patch notes. Everything else is player tested, so there's no "official" list.

Darkstorne

So the idea is a unified account-wide list of what you've achieved, so you don't have to complete everything in the game on a single character.

For example, my main doesn't want to join the Dark Brotherhood or Thieves Guild. It doesn't fit their character, so I do those on an alt. Account wide achievements still allows those accomplishments to be visible on my main. That's great in theory.

The main frustration you'll see on the forums comes from the method of implementation, where we can't see a list of which character has achieved which achievements, ruining the achievement hunting gameplay for players that enjoying chasing them across multiple alts. It also affects the zone completion guides, so a brand new alt will appear to have already completed a bunch of content in all the zones, making it frustrating to know where they have and haven't quested and explored. And it flat out prevents alts from playing some quests entirely.

So the tl;dr for most players about this feature is: Yes please, but not like this.

Iselin

Thanks for the replies.

It sounds like there is nothing in it for me at all so meh.

I mean. the wayshrine thing and the tedious need to complete the intro companion quest would be things that would appeal to me since like i said, with 18 characters none of which I have played since Skyrim the companion unlock quests feel like a chore after the first 3 or 4 times.

Also many of my characters leveled after the CP system was introduced so they basically did content in one or two zones, got to 50 and not much further so only my first 3 or 4 characters from the early days have a good portion of the wayshrines in the game unlocked. Thank goodness for all my houses lol to get them to places (for treasure maps, writs, events, etc.) in places where they never leveled.

Those kinds of account wide things I would like but I neither care all that much about titles nor museum unlocks and the "good stuff" (for me) like dyes, outfits, sets, etc. are already account wide anyway.

Oh well.

Kiralyn2000

Darkstorne wrote: »

The main frustration you'll see on the forums comes from the method of implementation, where we can't see a list of which character has achieved which achievements, ruining the achievement hunting gameplay for players that enjoying chasing them across multiple alts.

Doesn't even have to do with "achievement hunting" - I could care less about my achievement score, or trying to "catch 'em all" or any of that.

I just find the achievements useful for keeping track of what I've done on each of my alts. I have no intention of "hunting" the achievements on all of them.

spartaxoxo

The benefits of Account Wide Progression

*Shared titles for cosmetic reasons

*The ability to combine your efforts on some very grindy achievements

*The ability to swap roles or characters mid group as your group needs it and still get any achievement progress you were working on.

For example if you were trying to get the hard mode on one character, having already received speed and no-death on the dungeon. You know your tank could tank this hard more but your group's current tank is struggling and as a result you guys keep wiping. You can offer to swap roles and hop on your tank, and still would not miss out on Unlocking your skin.

*The ability to purchase achievement furnishings without having to swap toons

*The ability to unlock certain holiday achievements that you could only unlock once on all toons, which also means that your character can no longer permanently be denied max achievement status if you did those on an alt.

*The ability to swap mains without losing any achievement progress.

*Titles, which were already not an accurate measure of ability, are less likely to be used as a means of gatekeeping.

*Titles add to the kind of roleplaying where you create a background for your character and act accordingly. Easier to feel like your baby toon is a master thief thrown backwards in time if they have the master thief title, for example.

*Gives more choice to the content you choose to replay

Drawbacks

*Less immersive
*The kind of roleplay that uses character achievement as a character journal to be that character is harmed e.g. hard to imagine yourself a pacifist and paragon of virtue with a merciless and master thief title
*Don't know where your character stands in quests
*Titles are shared so they are less likely to be used for gatekeeping
*Breaks Museum Quests
*slower undaunted leveling

WhiteCoatSyndrome

The one thing I noticed on PTS was that it unlocked one of the monster bits collection achievements because apparently the one or two pieces I’m missing on my main I’d picked up on an alt.

Psiion

Greetings,

As there is already an official thread on this subject, we are closing this thread as a duplicate to consolidate feedback. If anyone would like to continue discussion on this subject, please feel free to do so on the official feedback thread here.