Proposal: ESO-

gariondavey

There must be other people out there similar to myself - people who either buy dlc with crowns for gold (me), buy crowns with real money and purchase dlc, or don't buy dlc at all.
These people do not subscribe to eso+.

I have no interest in the access to dlc from eso+, nor the crowns.
What I do have interest in is the craft bag.

I get by just fine with my own guild bank, and the use of add-ons combined with good inventory management, but the craft bag does have a certain appeal.

So my proposal is ESO-.
Craft bag/bank increase. Nothing else.
$5 a month.

I'd actually do this. Currently zos gets $0 from me. They would then get $60 from me (12x5).

Anyone else feel the same?
Thoughts?

Odovacar

It'd be nice but they do know the main appeal to subs is the craft bag. I'm guessing they'd lose a lot of money and probably wouldn't make it up for the additional gain of new ESO+ subs for bag only.

AcadianPaladin

I have zero interest in DLC dungeons or Trials but do subscribe to ESO+. The craft bag is nice of course, but I also really like the larger inventory, more housing slots, free unlimited dying of costumes, XP boost, etc. Believe it or not, the free costume dying is quite important to me. I subscribe 1 year at a time and ESO is the only game I play (and I play it a lot). So it works out as good value for me.

Arunei

Personally they should make a limited version of the craft bag base game at this rate. They've introduced so many more items since the start of the game that I can't imagine how people without + manage everything (or at least those who have crafters and thus store the mats to use). A restricted version of the craft bag that can maybe hold up to 200 unique items and maybe two or three stacks would probably do wonders for a lot of people.

_Zathras_

gariondavey wrote: »

There must be other people out there similar to myself - people who either buy dlc with crowns for gold (me)

So my proposal is ESO-.
Craft bag/bank increase. Nothing else.
$5 a month.

I'd actually do this. Currently zos gets $0 from me. They would then get $60 from me (12x5).

Anyone else feel the same?
Thoughts?

No.

Breaking up ESO+ into a la carte offerings cheapens the package deal. You'd also open up the gates for people who only want the Craft Bag, drop their subscription, with a marked reduction in potential income. Why pay $15, when you can simply pay $5, is what you are suggesting.

There have been a lot of threads on people trying to wheel and deal the Craft Bag out of ESO+. This proposal isn't new.

Tornaad

gariondavey wrote: »

There must be other people out there similar to myself - people who either buy dlc with crowns for gold (me), buy crowns with real money and purchase dlc, or don't buy dlc at all.
These people do not subscribe to eso+.

I have no interest in the access to dlc from eso+, nor the crowns.
What I do have interest in is the craft bag.

I get by just fine with my own guild bank, and the use of add-ons combined with good inventory management, but the craft bag does have a certain appeal.

So my proposal is ESO-.
Craft bag/bank increase. Nothing else.
$5 a month.

I'd actually do this. Currently zos gets $0 from me. They would then get $60 from me (12x5).

Anyone else feel the same?
Thoughts?

I do have interest in the DLC, but also recognize the value of tiered membership. The idea that you can pay one price, like $5 a month for the craft bag, and then maybe also add a super tier (say $20 a month) where you also get the new chapters included with your purchase would be awesome.

MaraxusTheOrc

Nah. Pass. I subscribe for the craft bag. I imagine plenty of others do as well. Are you telling me for everyone 1 person dropping from $15/month $5/month, they are going to gain an additional sustained two users per month? I doubt it because if ZoS felt that was the case they would have acted on it in some capacity.

hafgood

Tell you what, yes I like your suggestion, for $5 a month you get the DLC's, for $10 a month you also get the bank space and for $15 a month you get those perks plus the dyeing ability plus the housing slots and the craft bag.

So yes you can have your tiered subscription, just not the way you want it

gariondavey

hafgood wrote: »

Tell you what, yes I like your suggestion, for $5 a month you get the DLC's, for $10 a month you also get the bank space and for $15 a month you get those perks plus the dyeing ability plus the housing slots and the craft bag.

So yes you can have your tiered subscription, just not the way you want it

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

Tornaad

MaraxusTheOrc wrote: »

Nah. Pass. I subscribe for the craft bag. I imagine plenty of others do as well. Are you telling me for everyone 1 person dropping from $15/month $5/month, they are going to gain an additional sustained two users per month? I doubt it because if ZoS felt that was the case they would have acted on it in some capacity.

Depending on a few variables, it is possible that they could bring in more money by doing something like that.
Some people who play ESO simply do not care for the additional content, and that might be a much larger number than you think. And depending on the size of that market, by adding a tiered subscription layer, they could turn a potentially stagnant portion of their customer base into a profitable one.
As many of those who don't subscribe are likely going to ignore most of the dungeon content and will only care for the story content, so instead of just giving the craft bag, they could charge 8 or 10 a month and get the story content and the craft bag. So in year one they would get the quarter 4 DLC and then in Year 2 like regular ESO+ they would get the prior year's chapter. And to sweeten the deal, they could add a smaller amount of crowns for them to use.
If done right, (assuming the audience is there) this could greatly increase profits for ZOS and give players more options to choose from at the same time.

hafgood

gariondavey wrote: »

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

I don't but as the majority of people who subscribe seem to want the craft bag it's always going to be in the top tier, its never going to be in a lower tier because Zos know a lot of people will drop tiers to just get the craft bag. They would lose more than they would gain, they know this, thats why there is no tiered system

gariondavey

hafgood wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

I don't but as the majority of people who subscribe seem to want the craft bag it's always going to be in the top tier, its never going to be in a lower tier because Zos know a lot of people will drop tiers to just get the craft bag. They would lose more than they would gain, they know this, thats why there is no tiered system

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after, and that can be done through gold to crowns. I don't think that the majority of players do it just for the craft bag. I could be wrong on that, but that just seems weird to me.

AcadianPaladin

There are a lot of players who don't want the DLC dungeons because the random dungeon finder often send them there to die.

I should think there are plenty of players who would love to not be fed all DLC dungeons but pick and choose which ones (if any) they want by paying individually for the ones they want. There have been plenty of threads here by ESO+ subscribers wishing DLC dungeons would be removed from the random dungeon finder. They feel penalized for having ESO+ in that regard.

freespirit

I have always subbed and whilst the craft bag is a huge part of that for me, it is not the only thing I would miss if I stopped.

I like being able to access the the whole of Tamriel whenever I wish(I buy the chapters every year too), I need the double bank space because, well because I may have erm, slight hoarding issues, ok, ok HUGE hoarding issues!

I would hate trying to decorate any house with base game space allowance, huge respect to those that do!

Dying costumes is just normal to me, tbh I forget that is an ESO+ benefit but it is one I would miss. The other stuff is not important to me, it's just nice added fluff.

I buy my sub 3 monthly, I barely notice paying for it, as has been said many times one takeaway less per month more than covers it. Whilst I continue to play ESO I will carry on subbing, I like to think it helps to support the game and I believe the craft bag is a just reward for doing that.

If ZoS were to introduce a tiered sub system I feel the craft bag should be in the top(most expensive) tier but that's just my opinion. It is after all such a huge QoL item, that's why there are so many threads asking for ways to access it! 😏

_Zathras_

gariondavey wrote: »

I don't think that the majority of players do it just for the craft bag. I could be wrong on that, but that just seems weird to me.

I do it to support the game.

The Craft Bag is just a juicy incentive.

Tandor

gariondavey wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

I don't but as the majority of people who subscribe seem to want the craft bag it's always going to be in the top tier, its never going to be in a lower tier because Zos know a lot of people will drop tiers to just get the craft bag. They would lose more than they would gain, they know this, thats why there is no tiered system

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after, and that can be done through gold to crowns. I don't think that the majority of players do it just for the craft bag. I could be wrong on that, but that just seems weird to me.

Haven't you answered your own point? The reason you don't subscribe is because you manage fine without the craft bag. Those who feel they need the craft bag do subscribe, and at $15 per month, so if after doing so for a number of years they were to find that the craft bag could be had for just $5 per month they'd be rightly upset. That would be an added pressure ZOS don't need right now given the furore on the PTS forum over the way they're implementing the change to account-wide achievements and titles.

gariondavey

freespirit wrote: »

I have always subbed and whilst the craft bag is a huge part of that for me, it is not the only thing I would miss if I stopped.

I like being able to access the the whole of Tamriel whenever I wish(I buy the chapters every year too), I need the double bank space because, well because I may have erm, slight hoarding issues, ok, ok HUGE hoarding issues!

I would hate trying to decorate any house with base game space allowance, huge respect to those that do!

Dying costumes is just normal to me, tbh I forget that is an ESO+ benefit but it is one I would miss. The other stuff is not important to me, it's just nice added fluff.

I buy my sub 3 monthly, I barely notice paying for it, as has been said many times one takeaway less per month more than covers it. Whilst I continue to play ESO I will carry on subbing, I like to think it helps to support the game and I believe the craft bag is a just reward for doing that.

If ZoS were to introduce a tiered sub system I feel the craft bag should be in the top(most expensive) tier but that's just my opinion. It is after all such a huge QoL item, that's why there are so many threads asking for ways to access it! 😏

Yeah I can easily afford to pay for eso+. I refuse to because I can function in game with all dlc obtained without spending that money.
Beyond I don't want to spend 15 a month on a game. That, to me, is a relic of the mid 2000s when I played wow.
I don't eat out either because I would rather make better food at home for cheaper. I'm just that sort of person...lol.

gariondavey

Tandor wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

I don't but as the majority of people who subscribe seem to want the craft bag it's always going to be in the top tier, its never going to be in a lower tier because Zos know a lot of people will drop tiers to just get the craft bag. They would lose more than they would gain, they know this, thats why there is no tiered system

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after, and that can be done through gold to crowns. I don't think that the majority of players do it just for the craft bag. I could be wrong on that, but that just seems weird to me.

Haven't you answered your own point? The reason you don't subscribe is because you manage fine without the craft bag. Those who feel they need the craft bag do subscribe, and at $15 per month, so if after doing so for a number of years they were to find that the craft bag could be had for just $5 per month they'd be rightly upset. That would be an added pressure ZOS don't need right now given the furore on the PTS forum over the way they're implementing the change to account-wide achievements and titles.

My main point has been: I don't need eso+, but I would pay 5 dollars a month for the craft bag. I'm sure others would do the same.
However if there are truly more players who would drop from eso+ to eso-, and not as many who don't do eso+ at all who would buy eso-, then I understand that being a business solution.
But if there are many in my situation who WOULD do the same given the opportunity, I think that is an idea worthy of discussion. Hence this thread existing.

Tandor

gariondavey wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

So you think the access to like 15 dlc is worth 5 dollars a month, yet a bag is worth 15 dollars a month. Lol. Interesting...

I don't but as the majority of people who subscribe seem to want the craft bag it's always going to be in the top tier, its never going to be in a lower tier because Zos know a lot of people will drop tiers to just get the craft bag. They would lose more than they would gain, they know this, thats why there is no tiered system

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after, and that can be done through gold to crowns. I don't think that the majority of players do it just for the craft bag. I could be wrong on that, but that just seems weird to me.

Haven't you answered your own point? The reason you don't subscribe is because you manage fine without the craft bag. Those who feel they need the craft bag do subscribe, and at $15 per month, so if after doing so for a number of years they were to find that the craft bag could be had for just $5 per month they'd be rightly upset. That would be an added pressure ZOS don't need right now given the furore on the PTS forum over the way they're implementing the change to account-wide achievements and titles.

My main point has been: I don't need eso+, but I would pay 5 dollars a month for the craft bag. I'm sure others would do the same.
However if there are truly more players who would drop from eso+ to eso-, and not as many who don't do eso+ at all who would buy eso-, then I understand that being a business solution.
But if there are many in my situation who WOULD do the same given the opportunity, I think that is an idea worthy of discussion. Hence this thread existing.

I understand entirely where you're coming from, and there's never any harm in having a discussion. In this case, those who don't subscribe will support a cheap craft bag as they do whenever the suggestion is made that it's put in the Crown Store, and those who've been paying solidly for it for a number of years will object to the idea of it being offered for less than they've been paying all this time. The only real question is whether it's in the interests of ZOS to implement such an idea, and quite apart from the business reasons for not doing so, the timing is all wrong anyway.

_Zathras_

gariondavey wrote: »

But if there are many in my situation who WOULD do the same given the opportunity

But your "situation" is

gariondavey wrote: »

Yeah I can easily afford to pay for eso+. I refuse to

Yes, I shameless snipped, but let's get down to what you are actually saying, because

gariondavey wrote: »

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after.

You are giving mixed messages. Initially you want the Craft Bag, because you buy the DLC with in-game gold.

Then you don't need the Craft Bag, and are just after the DLC.

Then it seems you are just boiling it down to not wanting to pay, because you feel the subscription model is outdated.

gariondavey wrote: »

Beyond I don't want to spend 15 a month on a game. That, to me, is a relic of the mid 2000s when I played wow.

So, sorry, you lost me on whatever your original selling point was at the start of the thread. Your pitch fell on its face.

gariondavey

_Zathras_ wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

But if there are many in my situation who WOULD do the same given the opportunity

But your "situation" is

gariondavey wrote: »

Yeah I can easily afford to pay for eso+. I refuse to

Yes, I shameless snipped, but let's get down to what you are actually saying, because

gariondavey wrote: »

Well I survive just fine without the craft bag. The dlc is what I am most after.

You are giving mixed messages. Initially you want the Craft Bag, because you buy the DLC with in-game gold.

Then you don't need the Craft Bag, and are just after the DLC.

Then it seems you are just boiling it down to not wanting to pay, because you feel the subscription model is outdated.

gariondavey wrote: »

Beyond I don't want to spend 15 a month on a game. That, to me, is a relic of the mid 2000s when I played wow.

So, sorry, you lost me on whatever your original selling point was at the start of the thread. Your pitch fell on its face.

Allow me to clarify:
I don't need eso+.
I wouldn't mind paying 5 dollars for a craft bag, even though it is not something I need. It would just save me some time with my inventory management.
That help?

gariondavey

@Zathras I believe the initial post was pretty clear on this.

freespirit

So you say you don't wish to spend 15 months on a game but you would like one of the arguably biggest selling points of the subscription to be made cheaper?

By your own admission you can get by without it too. Why would any game company make major changes of that kind to appease a fleeting visitor? Especially a change that is likely to lose them money!

If you are still around for the next Free Eso+ trial grab the bag then, fill it as much as you can and then you have the bag and can remove items as you need them, you just can't deposit more after the trial has ended. Many people do that! 😃

Mind you back in 2014 I may not have still expected to be here 8yrs later, maybe you'll surprise yourself!!

kargen27

If you play the game three hours a month the subscription price is pretty much the least expensive entertainment to be found almost anywhere.

merpins

Or actual ESO-. Make ESO's base game free-to-play up to the third zone in each alliance, up to level 25 with up to 3 characters on your account. I'm sure more people would try the game outside of the free-to-play weekends if they could try it for a few hours.

gariondavey

freespirit wrote: »

So you say you don't wish to spend 15 months on a game but you would like one of the arguably biggest selling points of the subscription to be made cheaper?

By your own admission you can get by without it too. Why would any game company make major changes of that kind to appease a fleeting visitor? Especially a change that is likely to lose them money!

If you are still around for the next Free Eso+ trial grab the bag then, fill it as much as you can and then you have the bag and can remove items as you need them, you just can't deposit more after the trial has ended. Many people do that! 😃

Mind you back in 2014 I may not have still expected to be here 8yrs later, maybe you'll surprise yourself!!

Idk why you are under the impression I am a fleeting visitor. This is the only game I have played the last ~4.5 years.
The purpose of this thread was to see if there were other people who shared how I felt. Given a few reactions to the initial post, it seems there are people who feel the same way.
It does seem like perhaps eso- would result in a net loss to the current subscription situation. I'm not sure.
Thank you for the eso+ trial recommendation. I have always done this every single trial since I started in October 2017.

Sylvermynx

ESO is my third MMO (WoW first, RIFT second). I paid subs on both the others, and there was no question in my mind that I would sub in ESO. Cheapest entertainment anywhere.... I pay two annual subs - and I'm happy to do so because of the ESO+ perks.

The ESO+ perks are important to me. I would not be happy for people to get the craft bag for a measly $5. You want the perks, you need to sub to support the game.

SilverBride

There have been countless threads asking for the craft bag without subscribing, and one very good reason why this should never happen. They would lose almost all of their subscribers and the revenue they generate.

I know you are suggesting to pay $5 a month but that is a loss of 66% over what a subscription brings in. Others have suggested a one time payment, and that is a 100% loss for every month after the initial purchase.

The most attractive perk for many players is the crafting bag. It does not make sense for them to remove the one perk that keeps players subscribed.

If you want the craft bag you have to subscribe.

ghost_bg_ESO

I've been wondering for some time for something similar:
Eso lite (with everything getting lite version this days) - 8 bucks a month - only for crafting bag without any other benefits, and even this will just open additional work for devs without enough benefit to validate that effort... or even worse floating subscription can easily become something unpleasant not only for managing but also for players.

As it is now it guarantees steady, calculatable profit, less data load and not in last place - players know what exactly it costs and what they get for it. It is not hard for me to imagine payment for every entry in dungeon or tax for increased house inventory slots purchasable separately for every house...

Hapexamendios

That would work out cheaper for me and I'm probably not alone which is why it'll never happen.

MindOfTheSwarm

Absolutely not, the craft bag along with dyeing costumes is the main appeal of ESO+.
This is coming from a player that hasn’t subscribed.