Rele and Kinras need changes....

proprio.meb16_ESO

Succuby wrote: »

"I can not do 200 k DPS on healer without pressing buttons" = This game need to change - topic again ?

You have 100+ other sets, you can use it or ask to add new.
What is the point to always cry about changing good thingth already work ?

Do not like - do not use or ask for new.

Why already existing part of the game must change every time ?

Nope, read the thread again

Succuby

proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »

Succuby wrote: »

"I can not do 200 k DPS on healer without pressing buttons" = This game need to change - topic again ?

You have 100+ other sets, you can use it or ask to add new.
What is the point to always cry about changing good thingth already work ?

Do not like - do not use or ask for new.

Why already existing part of the game must change every time ?

Nope, read the thread again

In his situation some random player can not, so idea is just the same

proprio.meb16_ESO

yeah the title was deliberately misleading

Anyway he was suggesting to change the tooltip for the set (imo it wouldn't change anything and it's clear enough, but other ppl have expressed their own view on the matter)

Dojohoda

This is probably not the reason except maybe sometimes but, for the past few months, sometimes my skills do not fire, only the light attacks. It lasts a few seconds and then things seem to work again. Two days ago, in a trial, my character completely froze and I could not do a thing except slide around in its frozen pose. Game's been extra glitchy during the past few months.

francesinhalover

Lmao imagine changing End game sets because of noobs.

Relequen isn't a dungeon set. It's a trial set.

Sul xan , aegis , pillar , plague break are.

Kinras/tzog can be used on dungs i guess. if people can reach max stacks fast.

Even hundings , leviathan , brirarheart

I use advc yokeda because rapid strikes (cries) is my spammable.

What im trying to say is, if you see someone using rele on dlc hm dungeons they are either nubs, uninformed or lazy.

Massive_Stain

pLaY hOw YoU wAnT

Everest_Lionheart

Massive_Stain wrote: »

pLaY hOw YoU wAnT

I mean you can still play how you want but it won’t necessarily land you in any trial groups. I’ve got a Khajiit Stamden that I threw undaunted infiltrator on the body, and advancing Yokeda on the front bar with a maelstrom inferno on the backbar and still managed to hit 96K to show people it’s not always about the sets you wear but how your rotation works combined with those sets that counts.

It’s a community issue to be honest though because most endgame raid leads will barely take 96K and will see that I am stam and say no way before they even look at sets for the lolz.

The problem is the endgame community setting the standard with what should and should not be worn and it’s wrong. Any 2 decent damage sets used in combination are viable and can put out more than enough DPS so long as the rotation is competent in order to complete all content with the exception vRG hard mode.

Troodon80

francesinhalover wrote: »

Relequen isn't a dungeon set. It's a trial set.

Sul xan , aegis , pillar , plague break are.

Not to be pedantic, but Sul-Xan's Torment is also a trial set. It's commonly used in dungeons -- more specifically trash fights, but the buff can linger into boss fights if timed right. Also not to be pedantic, but where you get them doesn't really matter, and Relequen can be used to good effect in various single target dungeon boss fights. It's dependant on your situation and circumstance. If overall group DPS is low, then Relequen can be used purely single target. If it's high, then people should be using sets like Mechanical Acuity, etc. Adapt to the circumstance.

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

The problem is the endgame community setting the standard with what should and should not be worn and it’s wrong.

Ironically, it's often the end game players who think outside the box and try different things. It's generally the mid-tier players who look at what some content creator is doing, touts it as some board, general meta for all content (which very often isn't true), and then it feeds down the grapevine. It's low and mid-tier groups trying to mimic content creators without fully understanding the numbers game behind the result.

In the example of people using Relequen and Kinras, you need only look at Alcast's guides to see why people might be using those sets, and they'll do so without reading the bit that says "end game trial setup." It's minimal effort for maximum gain. Read a guide and press the Get Good button. Except it doesn't work that way. I've lost track of how many 160 CP players, freshly hitting gear cap so they can farm the gear they want to actually use, and the first thing they do like it's a casual walk in the park, "I need to do vCR+1/2/3 for Relequen/Siroria/Olorime because this guide says I need Perfected gear." Same thing with Bahsei from veteran Rockgrove. Whoa, slow down there. Learn to crawl/walk before trying to sprint into end game, and off a proverbial cliff when you realise that having those sets doesn't automatically make you a "god at ESO."

It's great that these guides exist for newer players, but those same new players need to put a tiny bit of thought into their builds as well. Having the sets doesn't automatically mean you know how to use them, or tell you why they're good/bad depending on the situation. It's not really the fault of content creators or the end game community as a whole. Alcast, for example, has on display several solo builds or builds specific to arenas, but guildies and friends likely point at those same trial sets... "because reasons." That grapevine I mentioned earlier.

vesselwiththepestle

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

New stam players are better off running it on the body and throwing a set like PON on the front that will proc every 10 seconds as long as they don’t sit on the backbar the whole time. Yes it’s a DPS loss from the meta, but in reality it’s a DPS gain because your proc will be up 100% of the time even if you weave slow.

THAT's it. And this isn't even true for new players only!
I regularly do more damage with off-meta builds, which doesn't mean my builds are better, just that they are better suited for me. Players need to learn to adjust their builds to their skill and abilities and the content they play.
In my progress groups I am usually among the top 3 DPS. So I always find it funny when other players tell me I am running the wrong sets or builds. Just because I am not running Bahsei's it doesn't mean I can't be in the top 3, even though everyone else is running Bahsei's .

Dexter411

And because you saw couple of random people not having rotation and not weaving properly You want to change what sets do?

Can we please stop complaining about casuals here. We all seen them, we all know they exist. And plenty of people did over 50% of group dps with only jabs as healer.

You won't stop people that randomly play ESO and do not want to get better at the game from: playing, being bad at the game.

But you can stop seeing them. Look for guilds and do dungrons with people you know

Brrrofski

Dexter411 wrote: »

And because you saw couple of random people not having rotation and not weaving properly You want to change what sets do?

Can we please stop complaining about casuals here. We all seen them, we all know they exist. And plenty of people did over 50% of group dps with only jabs as healer.

You won't stop people that randomly play ESO and do not want to get better at the game from: playing, being bad at the game.

But you can stop seeing them. Look for guilds and do dungrons with people you know

No, I think the wording could be made clear.

Not change the sets. I didn't say "change what these sets do".

Maybe reading isn't just an issue in game.

Diminish

The only change Kinras's needs is a change to it's visual effect. Cant see any other ground effects when it procs.

Dexter411

Brrrofski wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

And because you saw couple of random people not having rotation and not weaving properly You want to change what sets do?

Can we please stop complaining about casuals here. We all seen them, we all know they exist. And plenty of people did over 50% of group dps with only jabs as healer.

You won't stop people that randomly play ESO and do not want to get better at the game from: playing, being bad at the game.

But you can stop seeing them. Look for guilds and do dungrons with people you know

No, I think the wording could be made clear.

Not change the sets. I didn't say "change what these sets do".

Maybe reading isn't just an issue in game.

You did, maybe writting is not for everyone. Maybe using group finder is not for everyone
Just like you don't give sugar to already hyperactive child

Brrrofski

Dexter411 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Dexter411 wrote: »

And because you saw couple of random people not having rotation and not weaving properly You want to change what sets do?

Can we please stop complaining about casuals here. We all seen them, we all know they exist. And plenty of people did over 50% of group dps with only jabs as healer.

You won't stop people that randomly play ESO and do not want to get better at the game from: playing, being bad at the game.

But you can stop seeing them. Look for guilds and do dungrons with people you know

No, I think the wording could be made clear.

Not change the sets. I didn't say "change what these sets do".

Maybe reading isn't just an issue in game.

You did, maybe writting is not for everyone. Maybe using group finder is not for everyone
Just like you don't give sugar to already hyperactive child

Quote me, because I flat out didn't.

vesselwiththepestle

Dexter411 wrote: »

You did, maybe writting is not for everyone. Maybe using group finder is not for everyone
Just like you don't give sugar to already hyperactive child

Lol. Please read the OP again. They clearly stated they want the description changed to make more clear to players how those sets work. So they don't put on Kinra's and make 5 seconds only light attacks and then 5 seconds only skills or something. They didn't ask for a change to the set's mechanics.

ajkb78

preevious wrote: »

I don't really see your point.

In any game, there will be players uninterested in learning the finer points of the system.
It's well within their rights, and those people are perfectly fine.

They'll still be competent enough for normal/base game vet content.


Does that means that those sets are badly designed? No. Actually, the aforementioned people use them quite logically, and it's enjoyable for them. No everyone needs to be at the top of their game.

OP was not saying the sets' functionality needs changing, but their description. Personally I think the description is clear enough, but I do think the game should feature better discoverable in-game teaching. Maybe a NPC at the fighters guild and mages guild that provides a little tutorial on how to light attack weave, that kind of thing. The in-game text tutorials are not hugely discoverable or enjoyable to interact with (except by sarcastically linking the Block tutorial when the fake tank keeps dying...)