Rattlecage indirrected nerf.

Falcon_of_light

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

divnyi

Go for green battleground supply merchant pots.

Falcon_of_light

divnyi wrote: »

Go for green battleground supply merchant pots.

Yea, losing tripot for brutality when sorc's major buff give u brutality, sorcery, heal u and u still have tripot... Good advice (no).

divnyi

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

Go for green battleground supply merchant pots.

Yea, losing tripot for brutality when sorc's major buff give u brutality, sorcery, heal u and u still have tripot... Good advice (no).

Then go play sorc.
Most sorcs don't use that skill anyway because nobody stacks crit.

Brrrofski

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

Fennwitty

Same would go with Dreugh King Slayer. But indirect is the operative, I'm not sure this is a huge issue.

Falcon_of_light

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

When everybody get buffed but you - u get nerfed.
For example, u play basketball ok? U are 185 cm height everybody else 180cm -2m, but next day everybody else become 2m 20cm height and u still 185 cm, get it?

React

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

You can run DW/bow next patch, just use venom arrow for brutality.

olsborg

Liam12548 wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

You can run DW/bow next patch, just use venom arrow for brutality.

If it wasnt just 10seconds, that would be a good idea. Dunno why they made the duration so damn short.

Jeirno

Wait, people actually use this useless set?

Jazraena

Sure. On my Magcro and on my Bow Warden myself; though the latter is only because I really visually dislike the Netch.

Plenty dungeon runners don't source Major Brutality / Sorcery from potions; and PvP even more.

StarOfElyon

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

Although it is underpowered, I'll probably still being wearing this on my hybrid Necromancer.

Jazraena

Yeah, it's not really any worse off then than it's now, in all fairness.

xylena_lazarow

They should definitely buff Dreugh King though, this set is a serious "player trap" for inexperienced or casual players that have yet to learn how named buffs don't stack, or how trivially easy this buff is to acquire from abilities or potions, or how Rattlecage is a better version of it, even though it's not that strong either... all of the sets that provide (usually redundant) major damage/crit buffs should probably be buffed, like Toothrow and Treasure Hunter too.

gariondavey

olsborg wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

You can run DW/bow next patch, just use venom arrow for brutality.

If it wasnt just 10seconds, that would be a good idea. Dunno why they made the duration so damn short.

Agreed

React

olsborg wrote: »

Liam12548 wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

After this patch, this set will indirectly, compare to other sets and etc will loose half of its identity. Like u will have both major brutality and sorcery by using only momentum and 5p bonus of rattlecage become useless. This set need to give at least 251 instaed of 171 weapon damage to be just relevant and being not under-numbered by stats compare to other sets in the game.
P.S. yes, i want dw-bow pvp nightblade, u can hate me but i'm still right =3

You can run DW/bow next patch, just use venom arrow for brutality.

If it wasnt just 10seconds, that would be a good idea. Dunno why they made the duration so damn short.

I think it works well with the ability on NB anyhow, because of how you use it as a setup ability. Easy to apply it while kiting too. Of course I'm speaking from a purely pvp perspective.

Race against time -> cloak -> light attack -> venom arrow sets you up very nicely for an offensive window, especially with the vamp passive.

Brrrofski

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

When everybody get buffed but you - u get nerfed.
For example, u play basketball ok? U are 185 cm height everybody else 180cm -2m, but next day everybody else become 2m 20cm height and u still 185 cm, get it?

What are you on about?

Who got buffed?

Major sorcery has ALWAYS been on the game. So this set always competed with other sources.

Now there's just more sources.

So how has it been nerfed?

unholy_nox

why would anyone use it instead of julianos etc.?

Falcon_of_light

Brrrofski wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

When everybody get buffed but you - u get nerfed.
For example, u play basketball ok? U are 185 cm height everybody else 180cm -2m, but next day everybody else become 2m 20cm height and u still 185 cm, get it?

What are you on about?

Who got buffed?

Major sorcery has ALWAYS been on the game. So this set always competed with other sources.

Now there's just more sources.

So how has it been nerfed?

Do you read 7.3 changes? For [snip] example u had 2h and rally, and have stam and magic abilities and after next patch all your abilities magic and stam got 20% stat buffed cause u have duble stats from rally. And now question, what reason NOW from rattlecage? b4 patch u had better stats in hybrid builds, now not so its obvious indirrected nerf [snip] cause everyone get buffed but you.

[edited for baiting & profanity bypass]

Beardimus

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

When everybody get buffed but you - u get nerfed.
For example, u play basketball ok? U are 185 cm height everybody else 180cm -2m, but next day everybody else become 2m 20cm height and u still 185 cm, get it?

What are you on about?

Who got buffed?

Major sorcery has ALWAYS been on the game. So this set always competed with other sources.

Now there's just more sources.

So how has it been nerfed?

Do you read 7.3 changes? For [snip] example u had 2h and rally, and have stam and magic abilities and after next patch all your abilities magic and stam got 20% stat buffed cause u have duble stats from rally. And now question, what reason NOW from rattlecage? b4 patch u had better stats in hybrid builds, now not so its obvious indirrected nerf [snip] cause everyone get buffed but you.

I'm lost.

It's a major buff, with multiple sources. The only gain is that now the set has both Mag and Stam buffs.

If you Stam or Mag you just gained somethng you didnt have before. And it never stacked

Perhaps tell us rest of your setup and stat os we get it?

[edited to remove quote]

Tannus15

major brutality was added to it last patch and they indicated this was happening to sets last patch and skills this patch.

neferpitou73

Was Rattlecage every really that good?

Brrrofski

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Falcon_of_light wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

When everybody get buffed but you - u get nerfed.
For example, u play basketball ok? U are 185 cm height everybody else 180cm -2m, but next day everybody else become 2m 20cm height and u still 185 cm, get it?

What are you on about?

Who got buffed?

Major sorcery has ALWAYS been on the game. So this set always competed with other sources.

Now there's just more sources.

So how has it been nerfed?

Do you read 7.3 changes? For [snip] example u had 2h and rally, and have stam and magic abilities and after next patch all your abilities magic and stam got 20% stat buffed cause u have duble stats from rally. And now question, what reason NOW from rattlecage? b4 patch u had better stats in hybrid builds, now not so its obvious indirrected nerf [snip] cause everyone get buffed but you.

[snip]

I don't know why you're talking about rally. Rally and rattlecage are interchangeable. If you want to use rally, drop rattlecage, and vice versa.

The reason NOW for rattlecage is the same as it ever was - not much.

Ok, you can change a skill orr potion. But that generally isn't worth a 5 piece on a sweet.

All they did to rattlecage was ADD major brutality.

So, if you want to be technical, Rattlecage actually got buffed. As it now gives an additional thing.

Not sure what you're talking about "everyone got buffed but you". Unless you have a weird bug which means you can't unequip your rattlecage set, you too can change your build.

[snip]
[edited for baiting & to remove quote]

wheresbes

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

That's it.

Those that use Rattlecage do so because don't want to slot a skill that provides that buff and don't want to use pots either.

I don't understand what the new patch is supposed to change?!

If you're running Rattlecage with a skill that provides that buff, you're better off with another set.

Brrrofski

wheresbes wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

How is this any difference than before?

If you ran a major sorcery buff, you were wasting the 5 piece

What's the difference?

That's it.

Those that use Rattlecage do so because don't want to slot a skill that provides that buff and don't want to use pots either.

I don't understand what the new patch is supposed to change?!

If you're running Rattlecage with a skill that provides that buff, you're better off with another set.

Exactly, it changes nothing.

I'd argue that it got stronger, as now you can use it to buff your weapon damage as well. So if that is your primary focus, you can use this set if you wanted to.

universal_wrath

I see the change to rattlecage as an absolute buff especially if you play hybrid. It is a main set on my magplar and magcro.


I don't like using power potion as I use tri potions instead, and I don't use outside class major sorcery skills as I don't like how they function. Even in next patch, I don't think I will ever use rally on magplar or magcro because I would rather use resto/sword&board back and inferno, lightning or even daul wields front.

vesselwiththepestle

Jeirno wrote: »

Wait, people actually use this useless set?

It works in no proc pvp. It's not thaaaat bad. Keep in mind it got some spell damage on its 5-piece, too, and OP is asking to buff that. I'd say sure, why not. With the new abundance of those buffs ZOS should update their excel sheet with those set power numbers and adjust them accordingly, with such a "major" buff worth less points than before.

divnyi

neferpitou73 wrote: »

Was Rattlecage every really that good?

Was only good for RPers that don't like Rally red glow over your character.
Know one guy that was very decent in PvP/duels with the set, roleplaying vampire hunter.

RandomKodiak

Hasn't really been used in at least 4 years anyway. The set got no nerf not even indirectly as almost everyone was using other methods for the buffs. Saying this set was indirectly nerfed would be the same as if I complained that Maelstrom bow was nerfed because of the carve buff. Bow still the same something else is just better right now. With this set 50 other somethings have been a better choice for a long time.

Kartalin

The reason I used Rattlecage for a bit was to save a bar slot on my magplar and not have to rely on pots or degeneration.

This update, I'm excited about using 2h front bar with Rally or Forward momentum instead, so I can have major sorcery and not worry about, for example, having to target an opponent while repositioning to maintain a buff.

Falcon_of_light

Kartalin wrote: »

The reason I used Rattlecage for a bit was to save a bar slot on my magplar and not have to rely on pots or degeneration.

This update, I'm excited about using 2h front bar with Rally or Forward momentum instead, so I can have major sorcery and not worry about, for example, having to target an opponent while repositioning to maintain a buff.

if u play magplar - you already degenerated X D