Templar - Lack of Class Stamina Morphs

Altyrann

Any chance we could get hybrid scaling on Power of the Light / Purifying Light? Trying to find Stamina morphs that could be used to help sustain as Magicka but Jabs as a spammable can't be sustained and for some reason a skill that would be ideal for this got singled out and not changed to hybrid.

Compare this to, say DK, who already have great sustain but can now also look at Stam morphs of at least a couple of DoTs to make it even easier!

Mojmir

Sustain? Repentance is the best stamina recovery in the game.

Altyrann

Mojmir wrote: »

Sustain? Repentance is the best stamina recovery in the game.

Playing as Mag. Trying to find options for Stamina morphs to use to burn less Magicka.

francesinhalover

Altyrann wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Sustain? Repentance is the best stamina recovery in the game.

Playing as Mag. Trying to find options for Stamina morphs to use to burn less Magicka.

Stam templars barely had skills to use lol
You are in bad luck .
I can understand why the other stam skill doesnt work with mag, because if it did no one would want stamplars on any trial

phaneub17_ESO

The alternative is to swap to the other rune focus morph opposite your main stat, so if you're magicka heavy go with the stamina recovery. It helps if you're intermittently casting stamina abilities not spamming them.

Drdeath20

I guess we are gonna have to look towards the weapon skill lines.

MashmalloMan

I can tell you without a doubt, stamplars are the most bland subclass of the game currently, I've tried every subclass already.. Everything they have seems to feel like a worse or equal version of their magicka counterparts. What makes them strong is jabs + medium armor and stamina weapons.

They need unique skills, not just stamina costing, existing magicka morphs - Stamplars imo feel more like Hybrid Magplars.

It's kinda funny that in a moment like this, Magplars are ready to speak up for their Stamplar brothers, but only because they have no stamina dump skills they can use from them lol.

.. a bit of a joke, but probably semi-true. I don't have much of a leg in the Templar Identity race, but back in the day when Stam Sorc was in a similar place of bad class identity, trying to float around ideas for stamina morphs appalled many Mag Sorc mains.

Good luck!

mmtaniac

Yup , stamplar lack in exclusiveness of his skills , something that unique and powerfull. It's just [snip] version of magplar right now im telling this from vision of stamina templar main.

[edited for rude/insulting comment]

Jman100582

stamplar has a measly 4 stam skills from the entire class (not counting ults, cuz who uses empowering sweep?). jabs, potl, javelin, and repentance. ofc there's already pre-existing hybrid scaling on cleanse, but even then the skill is a mag dump skill. It's like stam hasn't even been considered in the creative process for templar. DK has a very similar problem, but at the very least they have been touched up on recently with sustain and all of that. dk can pretty easily sustain a hybrid scaling spammable just by keeping up burning. Templar has ONE reduce cost passive, and an armor buff that adds the equivalent of 480 mag/stam recov. Other classes on the other hand, have multiple resource return passives and reduce cost built in. And a skill that gives stam/mag return isn't unique to templar, warden has netch necro has the tethers sorc has both morphs of deal nb has siphoning strikes. the only class that doesn;t have one is dk, but combustion gives the equivalent of 2k resource return as well as battle roar. Buff plar sustain so people can actually use the mag abilities as stam, and mag can use the "good jabs" since that's really the only morph stam has that's just undeniably better than mag

dinokstrunz

mmtaniac wrote: »

Yup , stamplar lack in exclusiveness of his skills , something that unique and powerfull. It's just [snip] version of magplar right now im telling this from vision of stamina templar main.

[edited for rude/insulting comment]

Pretty much. There's little to no reason to ever consider Stamina Templar for anything when Magicka Templar is so hot right now. Stamina Templar does nothing for groups other than being relegated to being a support buff machine but even other classes do that better & more.

mmtaniac

Stamina templar abilities should be Total different, Some effect should change if you have more stamina than magicka. Rune and ritual healing should work even after leaving circles. This way stamina templar become mobile edition. Unique things is required. But to u lock this effect you should have at least 5000 more stamina than magicka.

Altyrann

It feels like at least making PotL and PL scale with highest stats would help fix the sustain issues both versions of the class have. In particular on the Mag side you almost have to swap to a couple of stamina weapon skills if you want to boost sustain. Stam has more options for that as you have ritual already usable and spear now usable too as good class DoTs using off resource.

Faulgor

The only good thing about being a stamplar is that you can use all those good magicka skills with your off-stat.
Everything else a magplar just does better while looking exactly the same.

I always felt Vampire's Bane was vastly underused for having such a cool name. Seems like room for a stamina morph.

mmtaniac

Templar overall need atleast one extra sustain passive with FREE regen or something. Passive should be something similiar to Burning light but can work with all possible abilities not only from one skill tree : stack 4times after 1cast we get one stack ,with all four stack Templar get resource returns of 20%-30% resource used in that 4 casts. I would like to see something like that. This is not op and work with other things templar have.

Stx

Over the years they removed powerful effects from stamplar kit. Like ritual of retribution healing, major protection on empowering sweeps. That and a lack of stamina morphs...

Now that literally everything in the game is hybrid, there is zero reason to play stamplar. You can use whatever stamina skills you want to still, but magicka templar skills are better than stam templar and they look the same. And you can still use whatever melee weapons you want.

Kodzy

Stx wrote: »

Over the years they removed powerful effects from stamplar kit. Like ritual of retribution healing, major protection on empowering sweeps. That and a lack of stamina morphs...

Now that literally everything in the game is hybrid, there is zero reason to play stamplar. You can use whatever stamina skills you want to still, but magicka templar skills are better than stam templar and they look the same. And you can still use whatever melee weapons you want.

They could change skills that hardly anyone uses, instead of reworking those that are good / average -> dark flare / rite of passage / healing ritual

and Major Sorcery/Brutality better to give on "Backslash" for 20s

Amorpho

Altyrann wrote: »

Any chance we could get hybrid scaling on Power of the Light / Purifying Light? Trying to find Stamina morphs that could be used to help sustain as Magicka but Jabs as a spammable can't be sustained and for some reason a skill that would be ideal for this got singled out and not changed to hybrid.

Compare this to, say DK, who already have great sustain but can now also look at Stam morphs of at least a couple of DoTs to make it even easier!

The REAL issue is the fact that ZOS totally botched the hybridisation of BJ/PS and now you are forced to use a stamina spammable to access major sorcery🤦🏻‍♂️

What i am testing right now is using PS as spammable (on 2w front bar) with stamina dots on backbar (caltrops + bow abilities). I could either sustain stam with heavy attacks and repentance (when there are many ads) and/or using essence thief front bar (for its 10% global damage buff + amazing stamina sustain). Another option would be using the stamina morph of rune.

mmtaniac

Stamina rune should be free. Right now managing stamina is horrible if you play full stamina build, if i play hybrid is easier but need atleast 3-4 magicka abilities. Heavy attacks , not help templar at all , try to hit something(PVP) with two hand slowest weapon in game if you are forced to use it, only with bow somehow that work sometimes.