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SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE
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baselesschart✭✭✭I don't think you're referring to real tanks in this post. What you're talking about are organized groups running broken builds coordinating together. And while yes those groups are incredibly frustrating, those aren't real tanks. They can easily stay alive because not only are they likely in comms, but they are also combining already insanely op self heals with cross heals making them near unkillable unless they are severely outnumbered.A fairly mediocre nightblade that occasionally kills people0 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭baselesschart wrote: »I don't think you're referring to real tanks in this post. What you're talking about are organized groups running broken builds coordinating together. And while yes those groups are incredibly frustrating, those aren't real tanks. They can easily stay alive because not only are they likely in comms, but they are also combining already insanely op self heals with cross heals making them near unkillable unless they are severely outnumbered.
Why not just call them tanks though? They are tankier then most "real" tanks I come across in pvp. Only thing that has them beat in defense is those dumb perma block builds.
What really grinds my gears with them is that they will not fight each other in cyrodiil. They know they cannot kill each other so they just avoid fighting each other. Oh they will make sure to stand around a keep to get capture AP or the d tick, but they refuse to actually fight the other factions tanks. Even if they can't kill each other it would still be nice to have them putting damage in and absorbing some of the pressure. Nah they just sit on the walls and watch us do all the work.Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on February 3, 2022 12:37PMI wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.0 -
worrallj✭✭✭✭✭Just shoot their siege with other siege....Edited by worrallj on February 3, 2022 2:15PM1 -
baselesschart✭✭✭xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »Why not just call them tanks though? They are tankier then most "real" tanks I come across in pvp. Only thing that has them beat in defense is those dumb perma block builds.
What really grinds my gears with them is that they will not fight each other in cyrodiil. They know they cannot kill each other so they just avoid fighting each other. Oh they will make sure to stand around a keep to get capture AP or the d tick, but they refuse to actually fight the other factions tanks. Even if they can't kill each other it would still be nice to have them putting damage in and absorbing some of the pressure. Nah they just sit on the walls and watch us do all the work.
In my eyes, calling those groups of magcros and magplars "tanks" is a contradiction. Because a true tank shouldn't be able to kill you, but those organized groups will make quick work of you, even a single player can easily kill you. They have insane heals, but they aren't true tanks, if I isolate one of them I can kill them but thats partly me building so much burst into my build.A fairly mediocre nightblade that occasionally kills people0 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭PVP Tanks are out of control. I can't put my finger on what changed but tanks are OP and they don't care about doing damage, They just set up siege and shoot at each other. They attack keeps with 7 tanks and it takes almost 50 people to kill them... 7 tanks holding off 50 people. Can't leave them alone because they will take the keep. Offense has nothing on Defense now and it's out of control. Sitting in mist form the whole time then pop out to heal in 1sec then back into mist form. Full penetration builds barely do damage to them. Should cap resistances in PVP
Resistance is capped at 50% already which is reached at 33000.
Also you can counter resistance completely with penetration. Strong builds run around 15-20k penetration in pvp atleast which counters pretty much all defensive value you can gain from resistance.
7 tanks cannot be held off by 50 people. That is an exaggeration. Tanks that have nothing but survivability are able to contribute nothing to the battle.
The battering ram strat you're talking about is easy dismantled by killing the ram.2 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »baselesschart wrote: »I don't think you're referring to real tanks in this post. What you're talking about are organized groups running broken builds coordinating together. And while yes those groups are incredibly frustrating, those aren't real tanks. They can easily stay alive because not only are they likely in comms, but they are also combining already insanely op self heals with cross heals making them near unkillable unless they are severely outnumbered.
Why not just call them tanks though? They are tankier then most "real" tanks I come across in pvp. Only thing that has them beat in defense is those dumb perma block builds.
What really grinds my gears with them is that they will not fight each other in cyrodiil. They know they cannot kill each other so they just avoid fighting each other. Oh they will make sure to stand around a keep to get capture AP or the d tick, but they refuse to actually fight the other factions tanks. Even if they can't kill each other it would still be nice to have them putting damage in and absorbing some of the pressure. Nah they just sit on the walls and watch us do all the work.
Why would a tank fight another tank? This isn't a movie.0 -
xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »baselesschart wrote: »I don't think you're referring to real tanks in this post. What you're talking about are organized groups running broken builds coordinating together. And while yes those groups are incredibly frustrating, those aren't real tanks. They can easily stay alive because not only are they likely in comms, but they are also combining already insanely op self heals with cross heals making them near unkillable unless they are severely outnumbered.
Why not just call them tanks though? They are tankier then most "real" tanks I come across in pvp. Only thing that has them beat in defense is those dumb perma block builds.
What really grinds my gears with them is that they will not fight each other in cyrodiil. They know they cannot kill each other so they just avoid fighting each other. Oh they will make sure to stand around a keep to get capture AP or the d tick, but they refuse to actually fight the other factions tanks. Even if they can't kill each other it would still be nice to have them putting damage in and absorbing some of the pressure. Nah they just sit on the walls and watch us do all the work.
Why would a tank fight another tank? This isn't a movie.
They actually hit plenty hard in this messed up tank meta. Just not hard enough to solo one another.I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.1 -
As a permablock tank player @Permablock-Tank I think it's important to understand that we literally do no damage. U can walk right past us. All we want to do is have fun fighting outnumbered because it's a rush and really fun. Killing ppl means nothing to a real pvp tank. Check out my YouTube streams if your curious how my end looks!1 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭The goal is to keep as many enemy players as possible taunted (and not by the skill), running around annoyed and not contributing anything to the actual battle. It's no different to the sorc going round a hill in circles chased by a horde of people not smart enough to go half each way.
Too many toons not enough time2 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭etchedpixels wrote: »The goal is to keep as many enemy players as possible taunted (and not by the skill), running around annoyed and not contributing anything to the actual battle. It's no different to the sorc going round a hill in circles chased by a horde of people not smart enough to go half each way.
It seems to always work too, the herd mentality is unshakeable. Tanks play a valuable role in group pvp. Distract, split, and reduce defense while the rest of the group gets in and out with the flag.
A troll group of 2-3 setting a home keep alight, pulls huge numbers of players off the real target elsewhere on the map.
On and on. Knowing what the bell curve of players will do and using it against them is a huge, un-nerfable advantage.
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