Heartwood drop rate

Necrosaro_123

Hi guys,

Anyone else notice, that even during this event, the drop rate of Heartwood is beyond low?. I tested today, that after farming for 30min, i was able to get at least 25 Mundane Runes but only 3 Heartwood!. This can't be possible!. Back in Morrowind when it was released, I used to get good drops of Heartwood and after 1hr I was able to at least get around 80-120.

What is going on with Heartwood? Is this intentional? Did i missed a patch note saying that they reduced the drop by a lot?

I have been farming with my character designed for super fast run speed + more than 980 CP (The perk that drops more materials per node) + all the skills in Woodworking. So far, this event has been a big letdown in terms of getting enough materials for my new furniture plans i got from the Trade Guild (So sad that i used so much gold on them....If only i knew how difficult it was to get Heartwood).

I'm doing something wrong? help!

ShawnLaRock

RNG. I am getting tons during double drops.

S.

katanagirl1

All the furnishing mat drops are low for me. I am hardly getting any regulus.

I am fairly certain other players cherry pick a lot during the event. I get maybe a dozen purple Daedric War Spoils coffers per hour when farming mats early in the day compared to maybe 2-3 per hour later.

I wish these nodes would be made “loot all” by default.

SeaGtGruff

It must be RNG, because I'm getting a lot of Bast, Heartwood, Mundane Runes, Regulus, and other furnishing mats.

DreamyLu

I confirm, it's RNG, because I get quite a lot on my side too.

Necrosaro_123

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It must be RNG, because I'm getting a lot of Bast, Heartwood, Mundane Runes, Regulus, and other furnishing mats.

It can't be. I have been doing this since the event started, all days and with several characters max level. I'm not getting Heartwood at all.

Just to put this in numbers, I got so far 650xRough Ruby Ash and only 8xHeartwood. Drop rate wasn't like this back in 2017-2018

tmbrinks

Double drop event... 650 ruby ash... so you've looted about 70 nodes and gotten that heartwood. Seems about right.

70 nodes is about a factor of 10 shy of even being able to make the barest hints about a change in drop rate (for something that is rare)

EnerG

Rng because I am swimming in heartwood and honestly have been making bank on it because of my rng lately

Necrosaro_123

EnerG wrote: »

Rng because I am swimming in heartwood and honestly have been making bank on it because of my rng lately

Unless you are farming it, day and night...or even buying it from the Trade Guild. I'm starting to believe there is something behind this.....Maybe there is a trick to farm it (Like instead of farming it from a max level character, maybe lower level characters gets them more often...?) or maybe using bots?......It looks like it was designed (or the drop rate lowered) to be more simple and buy the furniture from the Crown Store or Trade Guilds than doing it yourself.

Is just boring that I have a character able to craft so many super rare plans but with no materials to do it....

Necrosaro_123

tmbrinks wrote: »

Double drop event... 650 ruby ash... so you've looted about 70 nodes and gotten that heartwood. Seems about right.

70 nodes is about a factor of 10 shy of even being able to make the barest hints about a change in drop rate (for something that is rare)

The problem also seems to be that I'm not getting a x2, x3 or even x4 or x5 drops from the nodes. For Mundane Rune i got up to 5 runes to drop and normally like 3 to 4. Regular drops are 1 and 2. For some reason, most bonus are not affecting Heartwood at all. I haven't seen a x3 or x4 drop from the rare occasions i'm getting it to drop.

The game feels rigged....

tmbrinks

A double drop rate event doesn't double the amount that you get from a node. It's a double "pull" from the node (the CP star works the same way, so for this event you can actually get 2 pulls, 3 pulls (if one is granted a second pull by the CP node) or even 4 pulls (if both are granted a 2nd pull by the CP node). But each of those has the same ~10% chance of getting a heartwood.

The chance of getting double heartwood in this would be 1 in 100. I don't know the exact drop rate. But you would NOT expect to get 2 or 3 or more each and every time the heartwood procs. That's not how the system works, not how it's ever worked.

Necrosaro_123

tmbrinks wrote: »

A double drop rate event doesn't double the amount that you get from a node. It's a double "pull" from the node (the CP star works the same way, so for this event you can actually get 2 pulls, 3 pulls (if one is granted a second pull by the CP node) or even 4 pulls (if both are granted a 2nd pull by the CP node). But each of those has the same ~10% chance of getting a heartwood.

The chance of getting double heartwood in this would be 1 in 100. I don't know the exact drop rate. But you would NOT expect to get 2 or 3 or more each and every time the heartwood procs. That's not how the system works, not how it's ever worked.

If that is true...why I get x5 drops of Mundane Runes, while without the CP or event I would normaly get x2 or x1 drops per node. Isn't Heartwood a normal drop of 1 per node (based on the drop rate that is unknown to us) + CP perk + event?....I would expect a drop of at least a x2 or x4.

The more i try, the more I know Heartwood is rigged.

tmbrinks

Necrosaro_123 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

A double drop rate event doesn't double the amount that you get from a node. It's a double "pull" from the node (the CP star works the same way, so for this event you can actually get 2 pulls, 3 pulls (if one is granted a second pull by the CP node) or even 4 pulls (if both are granted a 2nd pull by the CP node). But each of those has the same ~10% chance of getting a heartwood.

The chance of getting double heartwood in this would be 1 in 100. I don't know the exact drop rate. But you would NOT expect to get 2 or 3 or more each and every time the heartwood procs. That's not how the system works, not how it's ever worked.

If that is true...why I get x5 drops of Mundane Runes, while without the CP or event I would normaly get x2 or x1 drops per node. Isn't Heartwood a normal drop of 1 per node (based on the drop rate that is unknown to us) + CP perk + event?....I would expect a drop of at least a x2 or x4.

The more i try, the more I know Heartwood is rigged.

I don't know why it's that way for Mundane Runes (unless you're getting them from Psijic portals, which drop higher amounts, as they're a "super" enchanting node essentially)

I just explained why you don't get a x2 or a x4. The event does NOT just multiply the amount you get from a drop. Neither does the CP star.

You can get 7 (or 9 or 11 or 13) from a node during this event (or with the CP passive). 7 is not double any integer. You got a pull of 3 and a pull of 4. Maybe the pull of 3 got a heartwood as well, so you get 1, but you got none from the pull of 4. It doesn't double the first pull to get you final amount. Otherwise you'd only ever see multiples of 3 or 4 (the base amount from a node). Surveys work the exact same way, the base is 18 or 20, if the CP passive procs you can get 18+18=36, 18+20=38 or 20+20=40.

For this event, you can get between 6-16 base resources from a node (with the CP passive). Worst case scenario is two pulls of 3. But you could get up to 4 pulls of 4. Heartwood works the same way. If it's a 10% chance of getting a heartwood on any pull. (with two pulls only as the math would get hideous with getting 2/3/4 pulls for each case) About 81% of the time you'd expect to get NO heartwood. 1% of the time to get 2 of them. And 18% of the time to get 1. At your 650 ruby ash, with an average ruby ash of 7 per node, and the weighted average of heartwood drops, you'd expect to be in the 12-15 range with that amount. So you've had a bit of poor RNG, nothing more.

Edit to add the full math: Assuming a 10% drop rate of heartwood per pull.

Necrosaro_123

ive_wonder wrote: »

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I think this is true. Since this material is far way more important than any other, the drop rate is nerf to the ground. Last week i sold for 3.5mil a Dwermer purple plan.

The problem here, with the "numbers" behind the drop rates i'm getting, is that i would have expected to see a drop of at least 2 or 3 Hearthwood (very rarely) from the nodes. The problem here is that its always 1....just 1!. The best drop I got was 2 and only happened once in more than 3 days of farming Wood nodes.

The opposite happens with Mundane Runes, were i'm actually getting up to 5 runes to drop and a normal drop of 3-4 per node. Why is this happening to Hearthwood only?. Bast and Regulus also seems to drop more often as well with Decorative Wax (from urns).

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tmbrinks

Somebody could also be hitting the nodes, only taking the heartwood and leaving the rest. And since you don't expect heartwood every time, you wouldn't ever know the difference.

Lots of people leave nodes with stuff left.

Necrosaro_123

tmbrinks wrote: »

Somebody could also be hitting the nodes, only taking the heartwood and leaving the rest. And since you don't expect heartwood every time, you wouldn't ever know the difference.

Lots of people leave nodes with stuff left.

Mmmm....I was also thinking that could be the issue, so I left these zones and went to others (outside the event zones) and tried farming on these zones, but only to discover that the same issue was going on there. No drops.

I even tried using a low level character in order to check if the drop rate is different by level, but no....its the same.

phaneub17_ESO

My absolute lowest furnishing mat is Decorative Wax at around 600, Heartwood is at least over 1000, Alchemical Resin sits at over 6000... lol. The problem is that too many things worth making for furnishings takes up Heartwood and not enough of everything else. They need to balance out new crafts to take up other mats more and Heartwood less, but the most likely furniture you're going to make to decorate are tables, chairs, or cabinets since they stand out as the most common things you want in a home that don't seem out of place.

Necrosaro_123

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

My absolute lowest furnishing mat is Decorative Wax at around 600, Heartwood is at least over 1000, Alchemical Resin sits at over 6000... lol. The problem is that too many things worth making for furnishings takes up Heartwood and not enough of everything else. They need to balance out new crafts to take up other mats more and Heartwood less, but the most likely furniture you're going to make to decorate are tables, chairs, or cabinets since they stand out as the most common things you want in a home that don't seem out of place.

For me, Heartwood is the lowest one. And I don't care if I have to farm it, the problem is that...it doesn't drop, not even with bonus.I don't see my bonus from CP affecting the drops of Heartwood as much as it's affecting Mundane Runes, Alchemical Resin or even Decorative Wax.

Also, while farming today I notice something interesting....Lower level characters with no skill in Woodworking are getting more drops from Maple nodes than from Ruby Ash nodes with my higher level characters. Is that a bug? Or my luck improves greatly with lower level characters?....

I will keep testing today and see if things improve for me.

Necrosaro_123

I finally discovered the mystery behind the Heartwood drops. After 40min of farming on a low level character (bellow 35), I discovered that the drop rate of Heartwood is higher on Maple nodes than Ruby Ash. Finally I'm starting to see drops of 3-4 per node more often, something that I wasnt able to see on Ruby Ash.

So, in resume: Farm Heartwood on low level characters that only see Maple nodes....

Shagreth

It's a problem. I have been playing for quite some time and all I had was like 120, for the past 2 days all I've been doing is farm nodes, emphasizing on wood ones (with plentiful harvest) after many hours I have like 220 now. I guess I can now make 10 dark elf counters and a few other things for my home, yeah, it's ridiculous.

Considering that most furniture patterns require it -- it should drop more often, I guess the same can be said for other materials of this type. (bast etc.) @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Northwold

I have a feeling that mundane runes may have had their drop rate tweaked up a little bit, regardless of the event. But for now it's just a feeling. They're appearing more frequently than I would expect and in places that I would not expect but can't remember if they ever did before (heavy sacks with other enchanting runes, although in cheesemongers hollow so possibly that's special to that location).

Heartwood frequency of drops feels the same as it always has to me.

Shagreth

Northwold wrote: »

I have a feeling that mundane runes may have had their drop rate tweaked up a little bit, regardless of the event. But for now it's just a feeling. They're appearing more frequently than I would expect and in places that I would not expect but can't remember if they ever did before (heavy sacks with other enchanting runes, although in cheesemongers hollow so possibly that's special to that location).

Heartwood frequency of drops feels the same as it always has to me.

I think it's a bit higher than heartwood, I mean, I didn't go after enchant nodes specifically and I got considerably more runes than heartwood, at around 300 right now. (started around 130)

BretonMage

Heartwoord drop rates are mind-bogglingly low. I've been farming wood nodes during the Explorer event, with Plentiful Harvest CP equipped, and out of hundreds of nodes, and having harvested over 3K Ruby Ash, I think I got maybe 20-30? Heartwoods. This was in Craglorn, and I got about the same drop rate for NIRNCRUX. It's insane. Is Heartwood supposed to be as rare as Nirncrux??

This is over several days, so either my RNG is consistently and specifically low for Heartwood (Mundane Runes and Bast seem to drop far more frequently, didn't harvest blacksmithing nodes at all), or there's something wrong here.

SeaGtGruff

It's probably just RNG. Or maybe some players are opening nodes, taking any Heartwood they find, and leaving the node there with the Rough Ruby Ash for the next player to get?

BretonMage

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's probably just RNG. Or maybe some players are opening nodes, taking any Heartwood they find, and leaving the node there with the Rough Ruby Ash for the next player to get?

It's possible, I guess, though I sometimes hang around an area and watch nodes respawn, and it's the same. I also usually harvest at off-peak times. I wonder if there's any other issue. I can't imagine my RNG would be consistently so bad for heartwood.

SidraWillowsky

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's probably just RNG. Or maybe some players are opening nodes, taking any Heartwood they find, and leaving the node there with the Rough Ruby Ash for the next player to get?

I'm like 41% sure that there's some secret player cabal who all go out during these events and do this for heartwood and mundane runes as a means of controlling the market. The drop rate seems to go *down* for me, which seems backwards. The most logical conclusion is that the cabal is sending players out to every zone in the game every hour of the day to do this even though I've never seen it happen and almost never see anyone on my farming route, even during events like this.

OK but for real, does anyone know whether "opened" nodes act like half-looted treasure chests -ie, they despawn on their own- or is it possible for half-empty nodes to just sit there indefinitely?

SeaGtGruff

Yes, nodes will despawn on their own, then respawn after that. There's a short interval between, during which they'll be gone for a bit, but I forget how long it is. I witnessed this myself last year when I was parked by a couple of water plant nodes in Shadowfen during The Great Shadowfen Lead-Grinding Event of 2021.

I was only half-serious about players taking the Heartwood and leaving the rest, although I do suspect that this sort of thing might happen. There have been too many times when I've raced across the landscape to harvest a Psijic portal, only to find that it contains nothing beyond the contents of a standard Runestone node.

Shagreth

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

It's probably just RNG. Or maybe some players are opening nodes, taking any Heartwood they find, and leaving the node there with the Rough Ruby Ash for the next player to get?

Opening chests and nodes and selectively looting, let me tell you, there is a special place in oblivion for s'wits like that.

Arunei

Heartwood always seems to drop less for me too. Considering how much it takes to make things -I'd say at least a god 80% of blueprints take Heartwood for some reason- it really wouldn't hurt to bump the drop rate on it by a good 50% or so. Same for Mundane Runes and Decorative Wax (though to a lesser degree for that one).

Northwold

Shagreth wrote: »

Opening chests and nodes and selectively looting, let me tell you, there is a special place in oblivion for s'wits like that.

It seems sufficiently pointless (even without ESO+, when it comes to a wood node you're only saving yourself one slot in your inventory -- the wood stacks and the heartwood stacks) that I suspect it's more likely to be an RNG problem than an outbreak of mass selective harvesting in the case of heartwood. It's not like a thieves trove lockpick -- a pointless item that takes up space and needs to be destroyed to make way for better loot because otherwise it counts to the fencing item limit.

SidraWillowsky

Northwold wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Opening chests and nodes and selectively looting, let me tell you, there is a special place in oblivion for s'wits like that.

It seems sufficiently pointless (even without ESO+, when it comes to a wood node you're only saving yourself one slot in your inventory -- the wood stacks and the heartwood stacks) that I suspect it's more likely to be an RNG problem than an outbreak of mass selective harvesting in the case of heartwood. It's not like a thieves trove lockpick -- a pointless item that takes up space and needs to be destroyed to make way for better loot because otherwise it counts to the fencing item limit.

Yeah, I should clarify that I'm almost entirely joking. If it happens, it's an isolated incident where it's just one player doing it. RNG is just awful for heartwood.