Ideal new class assuming one is coming.

MindOfTheSwarm

What it says in the description. What new class would you like to see assuming we will definitely get one.

MindOfTheSwarm

Witch/Hedgemage

Feel free to post alternatives if none of the above have appeal. I voted Witch or Hedgemage as it opens up magic and abilities not tied to schools that already exist. I feel Battlemage wouldn’t bring anything new or unique to the game as the role can be pretty much built with in game classes, especially DK and Sorc. Also, provide reasoning if possible other than ‘it’s not in game yet’. Say why your choice is good and what it would bring that other classes do not.

colossalvoids

Battlemage/Spellsword

But I'd never expect zos to execute it properly nowadays, no class would be on cards in 2-3 years anyway.

MindOfTheSwarm

Witch/Hedgemage

colossalvoids wrote: »

But I'd never expect zos to execute it properly nowadays, no class would be on cards in 2-3 years anyway.

This is another reason I didn’t vote for Battlemage. I would be worried that it would be too similar to existing class. Still, if done right it could be cool.

irswat

Dwarven engineer

joerginger

None

Wandering_Immigrant

Dwemer artificer / dwarves engineer whatever they want to call it. I want something that utilizes gadgets and possibly creates unique mechanics for potions and poisons or uses some other form of consumables. It's the only potential class type I see adding something genuinely unique.

Narvuntien

Battlemage/Spellsword

Monk

RUIWOLF

ALLL OF THEM.!!! A Martial arts tree based on offensive, water skill tree for healing and offensive resources reduction and dwemer tree for tanking and support. Zos, just hire me already! This could be a hybrid between templar and warden. Oh [snip]. An ultimate in the dwemer tree where you call in a massive centurion robotic suit that works like the bone Goliath. A martial arts ultimate that reflects all incoming attacks. I've already given a few of my ideas for this new class already. So I'm not going to go through it again. This class would straight away be my main. [snip]

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cro25519

Spellcrafting please. Battlespire (since Breton chapter most likely) would make all the sense with it. Why a new class when you can make one.

Would allow us to dynamically load skills, thus removing issues they had with certain platforms not having enough memory for more skills.

A nice simple version of it was presented by this youtuber: <https://youtu.be/Ksi6fBJp8kM&gt;

RUIWOLF

joerginger wrote: »

None

🤣 why not? Apart from balancing but who needs that anyways?

RUIWOLF

cro25519 wrote: »

Spellcrafting please. Battlespire (since Breton chapter most likely) would make all the sense with it. Why a new class when you can make one.

Would allow us to dynamically load skills, thus removing issues they had with certain platforms not having enough memory for more skills.

Both? I'm sure if zos don't eat or sleep they can do both?

cro25519

RUIWOLF wrote: »

cro25519 wrote: »

Spellcrafting please. Battlespire (since Breton chapter most likely) would make all the sense with it. Why a new class when you can make one.

Would allow us to dynamically load skills, thus removing issues they had with certain platforms not having enough memory for more skills.

Both? I'm sure if zos don't eat or sleep they can do both?

They probably can adjust their workload this year to work on it. They said in the announcement, that they are trying to change their release cycle a little bit this year iirc, so it could be just 2-3 small things + gameplay feature like this.

Ofc if they can't, they can't, I'm just saying what would be cool to see "for me" taking in mind the limitations of the game engine.

Wolfpaw

Battlemage/Spellsword

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

What it says in the description. What new class would you like to see assuming we will definitely get one.

"During the beta, the Battlemage was planned to be the sixth player class. Along with the Warden, it was scrapped at launch in favor of the four standard classes, though the Warden class later returned to the game in Update 14. Some remnants of the class still exist within the files, including icons and a few errant strings. Destruction, Two-Handed, Alteration, and Mysticism were skill lines associated with the class, back when the familiar schools of magic were still used in the game."

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Battlemage

magnus01

none
the classes we have need more skills

ZigoSid

None. Like magnus01 (and many others I've read) I would prefer more skills for existing classes and more weapons for everyone.

fizl101

I'd love a sapper/engineer type class that would include skills related to sieging, destroying bridges as well as all of the fun stuff you could do in PVE

Mushroomancer

None of the ones you listed.

• Battlemage/Spellsword: been saying this in pretty much every thread that proposes this class. Both Battlemage and Spellsword are not classes that are well-differentiated enough to stand on their own in ESO. The requirement of a mage that can also use weapons can be fullfilled by any class, hell it's even meta now with magicka dps being able to use melee weapons and still do good dps. And if you want the heavy armor aestethic of these classes, just use the outfit station. Please stop requesting this class, it's uninventive, boring, and I don't think it would make a good addition to ESO. At most I think we could see some of the scrapped skill lines for it as stand alone or even as new weapon classes.
• Witch/Hedgemage: don't know what this is referring to exactly, but I'm guessing you are talking about the witch-like enemies in the Reach. Yes it would be cool to have more magic based on nature and maybe the void, but we already have the Warden, which covers the former, and the latter seems unlikely. I would much rather see the void remain very nebulous, and unable to be "channeled", and was already iffy at the way they portrayed it in Markarth, just being another dimension with "lost souls", pretty lame.
• Witch-hunter: again, cool class in the single player TES games, not unique enough to be a class in ESO. At most, I could see them implementing some sort of "Witch-hunting" quests or dailies, although the cultural and historical baggage of even the idea of witch-hunting makes me think it's most likely never gonna happen.
• Barbarian: really? The most generic warrior class (well besides warrior, which is literally the same, just with heavy armor, I think?) is something you think they'll implement? Literally any stamina class can be made to look like and feel like a Barbarian, just don't use class skills. What skill-lines would a Barbarian class even have? Raiding, Muscles, and Lamentation of Enemy Women? Didn't really think this one through, did ya?

I think the main problem with the classes you proposed is that for a class to work in ESO it kinda needs to put together more than one archetype, unlike the classes from the main-line games, which really represent just one, and mostly very boring and trite ones at that. Look at Warden, for example, it combines the Druid archetype, with the Ice Mage one. Or alternatively, it needs to be a class that feels unique enough whereas even if it doesn't combine multiple archetypes, you can still make three distinct skill-lines out of it like the Templar. Just taking a class from classic TES which is literally "mage, but he hit good with pointy stick" barely qualifies as a class for ESO, because we already have weapon skill-lines, and the different elements of Destruction magic, as well as other schools of magic, are distributed among the classes, so I don't see a generic "mage" being too appealing.

To me, the only class that can be diverse enough to have three unique skill-lines is some sort of Dwarven artificer/alchemist kind of deal, which would use Ancient Artifacts, Dwemer Constructs, and Alchemy. Maybe, just maybe a Bard class could be feasible, just associate each skill-line to a different instrument, or make each one a different type of art, like Music, Poetry, and Acting (?), I don't know, just throwing ideas at the wall. But then again, bards in TES aren't really a fleshed-out "class", they are either straight up artists, or your run-of-the-mill adventurer with a BA in Performative Arts.

Brrrofski

There are Astromancer NPCs in the game

So maybe something relating to space and stars.

vesselwiththepestle

Bard.

MindOfTheSwarm

Witch/Hedgemage

Mushroomancer wrote: »

None of the ones you listed.

• Battlemage/Spellsword: been saying this in pretty much every thread that proposes this class. Both Battlemage and Spellsword are not classes that are well-differentiated enough to stand on their own in ESO. The requirement of a mage that can also use weapons can be fullfilled by any class, hell it's even meta now with magicka dps being able to use melee weapons and still do good dps. And if you want the heavy armor aestethic of these classes, just use the outfit station. Please stop requesting this class, it's uninventive, boring, and I don't think it would make a good addition to ESO. At most I think we could see some of the scrapped skill lines for it as stand alone or even as new weapon classes.
• Witch/Hedgemage: don't know what this is referring to exactly, but I'm guessing you are talking about the witch-like enemies in the Reach. Yes it would be cool to have more magic based on nature and maybe the void, but we already have the Warden, which covers the former, and the latter seems unlikely. I would much rather see the void remain very nebulous, and unable to be "channeled", and was already iffy at the way they portrayed it in Markarth, just being another dimension with "lost souls", pretty lame.
• Witch-hunter: again, cool class in the single player TES games, not unique enough to be a class in ESO. At most, I could see them implementing some sort of "Witch-hunting" quests or dailies, although the cultural and historical baggage of even the idea of witch-hunting makes me think it's most likely never gonna happen.
• Barbarian: really? The most generic warrior class (well besides warrior, which is literally the same, just with heavy armor, I think?) is something you think they'll implement? Literally any stamina class can be made to look like and feel like a Barbarian, just don't use class skills. What skill-lines would a Barbarian class even have? Raiding, Muscles, and Lamentation of Enemy Women? Didn't really think this one through, did ya?

I think the main problem with the classes you proposed is that for a class to work in ESO it kinda needs to put together more than one archetype, unlike the classes from the main-line games, which really represent just one, and mostly very boring and trite ones at that. Look at Warden, for example, it combines the Druid archetype, with the Ice Mage one. Or alternatively, it needs to be a class that feels unique enough whereas even if it doesn't combine multiple archetypes, you can still make three distinct skill-lines out of it like the Templar. Just taking a class from classic TES which is literally "mage, but he hit good with pointy stick" barely qualifies as a class for ESO, because we already have weapon skill-lines, and the different elements of Destruction magic, as well as other schools of magic, are distributed among the classes, so I don't see a generic "mage" being too appealing.

To me, the only class that can be diverse enough to have three unique skill-lines is some sort of Dwarven artificer/alchemist kind of deal, which would use Ancient Artifacts, Dwemer Constructs, and Alchemy. Maybe, just maybe a Bard class could be feasible, just associate each skill-line to a different instrument, or make each one a different type of art, like Music, Poetry, and Acting (?), I don't know, just throwing ideas at the wall. But then again, bards in TES aren't really a fleshed-out "class", they are either straight up artists, or your run-of-the-mill adventurer with a BA in Performative Arts.

This is actually well thought out feedback. I agree with Battlemage points but everyone seems to want it hence why I included it. As for Witch, I was thinking something based on a coven, like a Hermaeus Mora coven that is trying to stop some ancient book falling into another Daedric prince’s hands. Skills would involve elder itch style attacks. Voids and tentacles. As for your artificer idea, I think it’s excellent. The idea of turrets and bombs sounds great.

Supreme_Atromancer

Battlemage/Spellsword

I like Battlemage/Spellsword because it also has lore significant to the TES story behind it, but I do agree that these could be achieved with either new weapon lines OR a new guild skill line, much like Psijic has been done.

I also like the idea of Mage as a class. The concept of the Sorcerer is something different - daedra-dealing lightning mage who falls most intuitively into a damage sort of role. The Mage, conceptually, could lose those fetters and be something more like a traditional wizard type. Mechanically and thematically, they could, perhaps, be centred more around the traditional schools of magic such as illusion, abjuration and mysticism with which they can serve readily as a controller-type.

But if we were really going to get into big ridiculous wishes, I'd love it honestly if they got rid of class altogether, breaking current class skill lines down into Psijic-like skill lines any character can get access to.

MindOfTheSwarm

Witch/Hedgemage

Well, I actually was thinking a Witch could have the following skill lines:

Hexing: DPS and debuffs.
Alteration and Conjuration: Tanking, CC and a pet or two.
Mind Merging: Healing, Support and Buffs.

the1andonlyskwex

Mushroomancer wrote: »

None of the ones you listed.

• Battlemage/Spellsword: been saying this in pretty much every thread that proposes this class. Both Battlemage and Spellsword are not classes that are well-differentiated enough to stand on their own in ESO. The requirement of a mage that can also use weapons can be fullfilled by any class, hell it's even meta now with magicka dps being able to use melee weapons and still do good dps. And if you want the heavy armor aestethic of these classes, just use the outfit station. Please stop requesting this class, it's uninventive, boring, and I don't think it would make a good addition to ESO. At most I think we could see some of the scrapped skill lines for it as stand alone or even as new weapon classes.
• Witch/Hedgemage: don't know what this is referring to exactly, but I'm guessing you are talking about the witch-like enemies in the Reach. Yes it would be cool to have more magic based on nature and maybe the void, but we already have the Warden, which covers the former, and the latter seems unlikely. I would much rather see the void remain very nebulous, and unable to be "channeled", and was already iffy at the way they portrayed it in Markarth, just being another dimension with "lost souls", pretty lame.
• Witch-hunter: again, cool class in the single player TES games, not unique enough to be a class in ESO. At most, I could see them implementing some sort of "Witch-hunting" quests or dailies, although the cultural and historical baggage of even the idea of witch-hunting makes me think it's most likely never gonna happen.
• Barbarian: really? The most generic warrior class (well besides warrior, which is literally the same, just with heavy armor, I think?) is something you think they'll implement? Literally any stamina class can be made to look like and feel like a Barbarian, just don't use class skills. What skill-lines would a Barbarian class even have? Raiding, Muscles, and Lamentation of Enemy Women? Didn't really think this one through, did ya?

I think the main problem with the classes you proposed is that for a class to work in ESO it kinda needs to put together more than one archetype, unlike the classes from the main-line games, which really represent just one, and mostly very boring and trite ones at that. Look at Warden, for example, it combines the Druid archetype, with the Ice Mage one. Or alternatively, it needs to be a class that feels unique enough whereas even if it doesn't combine multiple archetypes, you can still make three distinct skill-lines out of it like the Templar. Just taking a class from classic TES which is literally "mage, but he hit good with pointy stick" barely qualifies as a class for ESO, because we already have weapon skill-lines, and the different elements of Destruction magic, as well as other schools of magic, are distributed among the classes, so I don't see a generic "mage" being too appealing.

To me, the only class that can be diverse enough to have three unique skill-lines is some sort of Dwarven artificer/alchemist kind of deal, which would use Ancient Artifacts, Dwemer Constructs, and Alchemy. Maybe, just maybe a Bard class could be feasible, just associate each skill-line to a different instrument, or make each one a different type of art, like Music, Poetry, and Acting (?), I don't know, just throwing ideas at the wall. But then again, bards in TES aren't really a fleshed-out "class", they are either straight up artists, or your run-of-the-mill adventurer with a BA in Performative Arts.

I agree with your critique of the OP's options. That said, I don't really think either of your suggestions are any better than theirs. An artificer/alchemist class is partially redundant with an existing crafting skill line (alchemy), and the only characters in ES lore with anything resembling mastery over Dwemer-style constructs are either extinct (the Dwemer themselves), or gods (Sotha Sil, and he already got a DLC). Bard, on the other hand, has the same problem as battlemage. ES bards are just jacks of all trades (i.e. mage-thief-fighter hybrids). Music magic isn't really a thing in the Elder Scrolls, or at least not anything particularly relevant to adventurers (there is one Dwemer-related quest in Vvardenfell with music magic).

The challenge with creating new classes for ESO is that any class has to make sense as a magicka-focused build or as a stamina-focused build, while also not having any skill lines that are redundant with things that already exist, and being lore-friendly. Most of the ideas people propose run afoul of at least one of those requirements (and some of the existing classes don't even do all of those things well).

I'm personally in the camp that thinks 6 classes is enough, and I would much rather have another magicka weapon skill line (to make up for all of the class skills that have been converted to stamina over the years), or another guild skill line (which could come with some interesting story content and might fill in some of the gaps in the existing skill lines).

the1andonlyskwex

To add on to my previous post: I would love to see a mechanic similar to the Sorcerer class in the early ES games, where instead of regenerating Magicka naturally you have to absorb it from enemy spells. Since Sorcerer as a class already exists in another form, I think this mechanic might work well as a world skill line like Vampire or Werewolf, where you get some kind of affliction that suppresses your resource recovery, but in return you get a few active skills, and (more importantly) passives that allow you to efficiently convert damage taken into resources.

Supreme_Atromancer

Battlemage/Spellsword

Mushroomancer wrote: »

[*] Barbarian: really? The most generic warrior class (well besides warrior, which is literally the same, just with heavy armor, I think?) is something you think they'll implement? Literally any stamina class can be made to look like and feel like a Barbarian, just don't use class skills. What skill-lines would a Barbarian class even have? Raiding, Muscles, and Lamentation of Enemy Women? Didn't really think this one through, did ya?
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@Mushroomancer

I disagree with this. I think early on, this was more true. Weapon lines seemed to have originally been designed to give all the flexibility and for making concepts outside of those the classes strictly suggested, but since shortly after launch, there has been a drive to fold everything into classes - roles, stam/mag specs, everything. As it stands now, viability doesn't really support "just not using any class skills". And besides, its not very satisfying to have a Barbarian in mind (which, after all, is a core archetype of not only fantasy, but the TES franchise), and have to settle for a sneaky nightblade-bloodmage, holy crusader or fire-wielding akaviiri martial artist.

Barbarians aren’t generic- the problem you are describing seems to be with their specificity- they’re not a super flexible concept because they are already a very specific type of warrior/brawler or whatever. But the same could be said of most of the classes, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. After all, archetype needs to be reasonably cohesive. We know what a Sorcerer is, there’s not that far you can really go with it before its not really an archetype, but a meta construct for the sake of meta demands.

Barbarians are power fantasies that map readily to tanking and damage roles. A shamanistic/totem skill-line could cover morphs of skills that reflect either a healing role, or praeter-natural defenses, which could support tanking, damage or diverse PvP building strategies.

But most importantly, you could come into the game hoping to play a gnarled Orc warrior or a grizzly Nord raider who eschews magic, a feral Bosmer cannibal, a deep-marsh Argonian, a Breton Reach warlord, without having to essentially gimp yourself by ignoring all your class toolkit, not to mention the baked-in power fantasies they are associated with.

essi2

Battlemage/Spellsword

What I really would like is a Clockwork Mage class, but unlikely with the apparent theme.


And Spellcrafting, unless ZOS has had some miraculous epiphany in the last year, is basically dead.

Mojmir

Tamer would be nice. But as usual,it will get ruined in development.

Amottica

It depends on personal preference and experience. Case in point is some choices players have asked for are missing from the limited offering in the poll.

ZeroDPS

neither.... we need Spellcraft!

Artim_X

I don't see ZOS adding any of those. More skill lines would be nice though.