Could ESO replace the need for ES6?

Saber91

This is just a big open question of like what do you think. I know there are many who prefer the opportunities of a single player game like more meaningful and permanent changes to the world or town/city after a quest decision and spell crafting to name a couple things.

But what could ESO add and change that would make you go actually I don’t need a ES6, I already have what I want and more here. For me personally if it balanced the scaling more and introduced a few more aspects of older titles and maybe revamp the justice system a bit I wouldn’t need to consider ES6 on my radar. Don’t get me wrong it may graphically be better etc but for me since Morrowind they’ve either cut, or merged or altered rpg aspects to simplify the experience. I think Skyrim went too far with it and I’m hoping for a return to form but I don’t have much confidence in Bethesda,

What would you like ESO to do or expand upon? Or would it never matter and you’d just get both?

VaranisArano

Kiralyn2000

Could ESO replace the need for ES6?

No. Nyet. Nein. Nej. Non.



...seriously, though. The single player TES games, and this MMO, are entirely different styles of game. (or, more broadly, MMOs and Single Player RPGs are entirely different beasts.)

There is nothing you could do to this game, to make it replace a single-player TES game for me. I play them in different ways, I expect different things from them, etc.
edit: and that's even ignoring that I play TES games on the PC, which means I mod the hell out of them. Something I wouldn't/can't do with ESO.

JKorr

Both is good.

ESO for when I want to be social. ES6 for the story and the opportunity to save, run through solution 1, save, then reload and see what happens if you do X instead. ESO is hard on npcs when you can't go back and pick a different dialogue choice when you see the outcome. As much as I enjoy ESO, some of the quests and outcomes are annoying because once you make a choice, its done. An alt will have to do all the stuff over and pick different dialogue choices or actions to see what might happen.

Sawbones194

A single player elder scrolls plays very different than eso. I play eso for the Elder Scrolls branding but not for the Elder Scrolls Gameplay. It does many things but nothing as detailed as an fully fleshed out elder scrolls game.

I appreciate eso as a great foundation for the lore. You get a (often, not always) flat view of the basics of the lore and cultures. Like a very rough draft of it. Like the Alik'r dessert. It had some ruins named after Gods which has some NPCs and Quests explaining those gods.

You don't have to play TES III to get the idea what Vvardenfell looks like. You don't have to read the morrowind books to get an idea of what the mainland of morrowind looks like. And you don't need top play... Daggerfall to get an idea of what Hammerfall and Highrock looks like if you played eso.

ESO is a rough but very good entry point to the lore. You now the lands, how they look like and so on. But the main games from bethesda are the ones that flesh out the details on the provinces.

THAT is what I respect eso for (and for opening me for online games). But nonetheless it just played different than the games most tea fans fell in love with. Dozens of fire-hore-riding ice-skin-wearing players in one city are not quite immersive.

phaneub17_ESO

You can do way more with a single player game especially one with a game editor like the Creation Kit coming along with it. There are things you cannot edit or create addons for with ESO that you can do in a single player game, and the possibilities are massive.

Sylvermynx

I.... want TESVI.... because while I enjoy ESO.... my real love is single player games like TES 1 through 5. The major issue I have is that.... I'm not young. I'm 74.... If TES VI is a decade down the road.... I'm probably not going to be able to play it. Sucks to be me, I know. I'm not pushing that "something needs to be done for us olders" because I do understand that the world as a whole moves on - and so do games.

*sigh* I really want to enjoy one last TES game. I don't think it's likely - probably it will be VR only, and considering the vertigo I deal with on a daily basis.... Not hap'nin. I'd love to be able to do something about my physical limitations due to age and various issues - but the progression of technology seems to leave me out in nowhere.

I'm sad for me, but happy for those of you younger and more able to embrace a "new hope"...

Happy New Year folks!

markulrich1966

For me an important aspect are technical differences.

MOD support kept me playing skyrim a second time. Skimpy outfits that looked really cool, but might be too sexy for an onlinegame.

Choice: easy, medium, heavy. Something "normal, vet and hardmode" do not cover exactly.
A normal dungeon can be done solo, but it is different from a easy setting in skyrim, that equals more a storymode gameplay.

Immersion, 2 aspects:

1.) VR. I played skyrim a third time in VR on the PS4. Loved it. The snowy wind OVER my head, the majestic size of the dwarven caverns. An onlinegame with the grafical simplifications allowing multiple users play at once can not come even close to this immersion.

2.) No other players. Other players destroy immersion. I like the social aspect, so like playing ESO, but when a guy hs killed all the enemies in a delve just before you arrived, this is not immersive to the story.

TLDR: both have advantages and disadvantages, and I think you cannot combine them, at least not with the current state of technology.

OtarTheMad

ESO existing is definitely one of the top reasons why Bethesda made Starfield and benched TES series for a bit.

I will say this though, it's been too long and is going to be too long between TES Skyrim and TES6. Bethesda is trying to keep the Skyrim popularity and people remembering they are a thing so that TES 6 is a hit, cause they know fans forget. Especially when Skyrim was released in 2011 and the follow-up isn't hitting shelves until around 2025. That is just ridiculous. I mean think about it if you were young and only 20 when Skyrim came out you will be 34. I think that's a huge gamble because, even though TES series is popular, you can't expect casual gamers to remember TES after 14 years. I am hoping this won't be the norm because that means Bethesda will always be targeting a new audience since between releases their customers got older, careers, families, etc, and don't play as much.

Blinx

I never played any Elderscroll game before ESO, tried Skyrim recently, and um really could not get into it, so I'm one of the few who isn't looking forward to ES6, but will probably try it out eventually

EmperorIl

No no no no no no no no no no no.

ESO is in no way, shape, or form any replacement for a TES single player RPG.

Amottica

The single player model serves a different market then an MMORPG even though many players are in both markets. There are players who love the TES single player games but would not like or want to play with ESO. There are players who play ESO but have never played any of the single player games from this IP.

So it’s wise to keep TES6 a stand alone game. Heck, it’s even being developed by a different company.

Saber91

Well it’s certainly been productive in here I to be honest forgot about certain aspects like mod support and people liking what a single player game can provide I appreciate all who’ve responded so far it’s been lovely answers

Call_of_Red_Mountain

Never. Single games very important. In ESO because I'm waiting TES6. After TES 6 I'll join ESO again. Probably. This games needs new servers tho. Because pvp and trials unplayable sometimes.

Uvi_AUT

I dont have a need for ES6. I dont really play singleplayergames anymore.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

ESO is superior to the Single Player TES games anyway:

- We have all of Tamriel, we are not confined to a single province which we may not like, if it is in Hammerfell do remember the place is mostly desert with a small section that is rain forest, how long until you get sick of that? at least in ESO is can go somewhere else when I get bored of the scenery, in ESO we can go half-way across the Aurbis.

- We are in a world occupied by actual intelligence as opposed to poorly programmed AI pretending to be intelligent, I can have an actual conversation with my adventuring party, the world also does not revolve around us and we do not become the leader of every guild we join which is a plus, why do you think Skyrim mods that unleveled the world are so popular?

- From a lore standpoint we have a Superior form of Vampirism and Lycanthropy, the former is you get turned by the very first Vampire in existence, the latter is you getting turned by Hircine himself.

- ESO is in a superior time period, during the second era you have more interesting people like Mannimarco, Vaniu Galerion, The Tribunal, Lamae Bal just to name a few, what does the 4th era have? that annoying God known as Talos that no one shuts up about? even the events of Skyrim seem insignificant, the stormcloak rebellion has nothing on the Three Banners war, Alduin? turns out he was just some minuscule Dragon and not this world ending God the legends may him out to be, Lord Harkon? the Vestige has killed more impressive unnamed Vampire Lords at Harrowstorms.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Saber91 wrote: »

Well it’s certainly been productive in here I to be honest forgot about certain aspects like mod support and people liking what a single player game can provide I appreciate all who’ve responded so far it’s been lovely answers

If a game requires mod support then is it really a good game?

francesinhalover

no. I'm unbias but.
It's like comparing a child (eso) to a Attractive Adult (es6)
There's reasons why es youtubers pretend eso doesn't exist.

Kiralyn2000

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Saber91 wrote: »

Well it’s certainly been productive in here I to be honest forgot about certain aspects like mod support and people liking what a single player game can provide I appreciate all who’ve responded so far it’s been lovely answers

If a game requires mod support then is it really a good game?

It doesn't "require" mod support (personally, I've never used any of the "Unofficial ______ Patch" mods for Beth games).

It has mod support as a bonus. So you can tweak things to fit your preferences, change things up for another playthrough, have additional content once you've done all the official stuff, etc. Modding is fun, not some drawback.

(I also pretty much disagree with your previous post, as well. But I'm one of those people who plays MMOs as single-player games with some extra-annoying NPCs with strange names bouncing all over the place, so.... )

bruta

no, I can't mod sexy elves in eso

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

One is a MMO that follows industry habits/standards.
The other is a solo RPG.

I hope they don't mix the two together, no thank you.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Saber91 wrote: »

Well it’s certainly been productive in here I to be honest forgot about certain aspects like mod support and people liking what a single player game can provide I appreciate all who’ve responded so far it’s been lovely answers

If a game requires mod support then is it really a good game?

It doesn't "require" mod support (personally, I've never used any of the "Unofficial ______ Patch" mods for Beth games).

It has mod support as a bonus. So you can tweak things to fit your preferences, change things up for another playthrough, have additional content once you've done all the official stuff, etc. Modding is fun, not some drawback.

(I also pretty much disagree with your previous post, as well. But I'm one of those people who plays MMOs as single-player games with some extra-annoying NPCs with strange names bouncing all over the place, so.... )

Skyrim would not of lasted for so long without the mod support, the game is incredibly shallow without them.

Also what about my previous post do you disagree with? the playable setting of ESO is Superior, this is not an opinion but a fact, ESO has regions throughout all of Tamriel which includes Skyrim, TES:V Skyrim only has Skyrim or maybe it is how you have other players "getting in the way when your doing things."

If anything I find that is what makes MMOs better then Single Player games, talking to NPCs in a Single Player game is like talking to a wall, talking to actual people makes the game feel alive.

This_0ne

ESO is a past (2nd era) TES6 is future (maybe 4era or 5...)

I hate that the developer claims that all current events of the ESO take place in 1-3 year (if we're lucky) and does not move the chronology at all and does not worry about it. I don’t want the game so big and long to stand still in a one-year time loop.

Ashryn

I loved ALL the Elder Scroll games, but ESO has spoiled me with the largeness and diversity of its world. The quests can be a mixed game, and I usually find the side quests can sometimes shine more often with their stories, but even single-player Skyrim had its good and bad points. Eventually, I'd love to see the whole of the ESO world be re-done in a new version that is even more complex in its graphics, stories, freedoms and cultures.

Adremal

As much as I love ESO no MMO can ever be a substitute for a single player experience. I still play older TES games (and others) for replayability factors (I definitely made more than 18 characters in each TES games starting with Morrowind), nostalgia, modding possibilities and last but not least to be able to do so alone and offline.

Kiralyn2000

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Skyrim would not of lasted for so long without the mod support, the game is incredibly shallow without them.

And MMOs are more shallow than single player games, because they have to be - the whole "live service" & "world has to keep being the same for all the players and daily repeatables and grinding" bit requires it.

Also what about my previous post do you disagree with? the playable setting of ESO is Superior, this is not an opinion but a fact, ESO has regions throughout all of Tamriel which includes Skyrim, TES:V Skyrim only has Skyrim or maybe it is how you have other players "getting in the way when your doing things."

Eh, "it has more regions" doesn't automatically make it better. So, that's an opinion. (otherwise, Daggerfall is the best one, since it has all of Tamriel)

If anything I find that is what makes MMOs better then Single Player games, talking to NPCs in a Single Player game is like talking to a wall, talking to actual people makes the game feel alive.

Eh, not really interested in talking to other people. Also, the vast majority of stuff they're talking about is about gameplay, random news, out of game things, etc. None of which adds anything to the world, atmosphere, questing, story... Having a bunch of people in a party discussing how they want to tackle the next boss, or will the piece of gear they want drop, is not an improvement over talking to NPCs in an SP game.


In the end, though, it's all down to personal preference. I prefer single player games, and you prefer online/MMO style. All the things you praise about that, are negatives to me; and the things I like about SP/PvE are things you don't. Just the way it is.


(I play MMOs because they do have some things I like - more exploration, building characters, questing; but it's just something to do in between SP game releases that I want to play. I don't group, I don't trade, I don't guild, I don't socialize... generally, my chat box is closed. And when I do open it, I'm usually quickly reminded why I keep it closed. )

kaushad

I feel like my character is a tourist in ESO. in other TES games, factions and guilds have greater influence over where a player character establishes themself. A Guild thief in TESV at least frequents Riften. A Redoran in TESIII spends a lot of time running around the Ashlands and West Gash. This is possible in ESO, especially in DLC zones with daily quests, but there's something about it that isn't the same. Maybe it's inconvenience; Abah's Landing is a marvelleous place to explore and read about, but lousy for crafting, going to the bank and transport. Or maybe the ESO dailies aren't varied enough.

The other way in which a player character can establish a home is by getting a house. If you want a home to decorate, ESO surpasses other TES games, but there's less practical use for them. Sleep? That's something some NPCs do. Storage? You can get a few chests eventually, but the bank is bigger and more accessible. Crafting? Even if you have the stations, It's quicker to do it in cities, thanks to the loading screens and banks that magically deliver your materials on demand.

Actually both those issues are associated with loading screens. That's probably a moot point because TESVI is going to have obscene hardware requirements, so I'll not likely play it until the 30s.

Furthermore, ESO has more variety than any single player TES game. Sometimes I just don't want to see Vvardenfell, Solstheim or Skyrim.

Sawbones194 wrote: »

A single player elder scrolls plays very different than eso. I play eso for the Elder Scrolls branding but not for the Elder Scrolls Gameplay. It does many things but nothing as detailed as an fully fleshed out elder scrolls game.

I appreciate eso as a great foundation for the lore. You get a (often, not always) flat view of the basics of the lore and cultures. Like a very rough draft of it. Like the Alik'r dessert. It had some ruins named after Gods which has some NPCs and Quests explaining those gods.

You don't have to play TES III to get the idea what Vvardenfell looks like. You don't have to read the morrowind books to get an idea of what the mainland of morrowind looks like. And you don't need top play... Daggerfall to get an idea of what Hammerfall and Highrock looks like if you played eso.

ESO is a rough but very good entry point to the lore. You now the lands, how they look like and so on. But the main games from bethesda are the ones that flesh out the details on the provinces.

THAT is what I respect eso for (and for opening me for online games). But nonetheless it just played different than the games most tea fans fell in love with. Dozens of fire-hore-riding ice-skin-wearing players in one city are not quite immersive.

I think that the single player games are a lot more limited than this. ESO's advantage is that it's a work in progress. TESIII is more detailed than the four Morrowind zones put together, but it will never provide more than a brief overview of Houses Indoril and Dres. The Tamriel Rebuilt group might, but they've been working their way anticlockwise around the Inner Sea (some of their ideas about Hlaalu and Dres sound a bit gonzo to me anyway) and Bethesda developers are under no obligation to integrate their design.

I honestly think ESO is on track to surpassing the single player portrayals of Cyrodiil, Skyrim and Hammerfell. Dark Brotherhood and Markarth already have more distinct portrayals of Colovia and the Reach respectively and I liked the Reach in TESV.

TelvanniWizard

Who cares for TES VI? I´m waiting for Skywind!

Danikat

There is nothing they could do in ESO that would make me not want to play TES 6, but equally TES 6 coming out is not going to stop me playing ESO. (I might play less for a while, because I only have a finite amount of free time, but I'm not going to give up on it.)

As other people have said an MMO and a single-player game are very different, even if they're set in the same world. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Tamriel (and maybe other parts of Nirn) in ESO and I actually hope they move away from stories and lore which has appeared in the single-player games and instead start to explore some things we've heard about but not yet seen or introduce new things. But I also want to see what's going to happen in the next single-player game and what new things it introduces, particularly since it will be over 1,000 years in the future from ESO so it could be quite different.

Dragonlord573

Gonna be honest, I can't even go back to Skyrim after ESO. I don't think TES6 will replace ESO for me.

sekou_trayvond

No