Would you be upset?

zacvanm

What IF we were able to influence what ZOS works on for future updates? Like let’s say they took a year off from adding in new content and just focused on performance. Do we REALLY need new dungeons that lag? Or new sets that seem to be broken from day 1 (Dark Convergence)? Do I NEED another zone to explore with terrible frame rate and client crashes? Nope. I know, insert dead horse meme here.

I just feel like the community as a whole, console and pc/mac, would be much much happier if performance wasn’t a problem. We expect a little bit of lag or maybe some frame drop here and there in crowded areas, because not every connection to the server can constantly be perfect, but I think it’s pretty ignorant to continuously introduce new things to a broken game in regards to performance.

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

Grega

zacvanm wrote: »

What IF we were able to influence what ZOS works on for future updates? Like let’s say they took a year off from adding in new content and just focused on performance. Do we REALLY need new dungeons that lag? Or new sets that seem to be broken from day 1 (Dark Convergence)? Do I NEED another zone to explore with terrible frame rate and client crashes? Nope. I know, insert dead horse meme here.

I just feel like the community as a whole, console and pc/mac, would be much much happier if performance wasn’t a problem. We expect a little bit of lag or maybe some frame drop here and there in crowded areas, because not every connection to the server can constantly be perfect, but I think it’s pretty ignorant to continuously introduce new things to a broken game in regards to performance.

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

I would pay up to triple of the regular chapter price (3x$59) for a chapter update that is advertised to have 0 new content, except only to have performance fixes and QOL improvements and adjustments to all the things needed.

EmissaryVII

Same as @Grega - I'd be more inclined to put money towards a performance update.

1. Fix bugs and lags issues
2. Do SOMETHING with Cyrodiil
3. Bring the original zones up to date
4. Tie everything together (somehow).


I'd happily miss a year of forced content to make the existing stuff awesome again.

_Zathras_

zacvanm wrote: »

I just feel like the community as a whole, console and pc/mac, would be much much happier if performance wasn’t a problem. ..but I think it’s pretty ignorant to continuously introduce new things to a broken game in regards to performance.

Not everyone experiences performance issues. And, the game isn't broken.

zacvanm wrote: »

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

Very opposed, and it will never happen. If they did what you suggest (and has been suggested several times before), ESO would be set on fire.

Besides, there are several clusters of specialized developers. You don't want Jan from accounting to drop her pencil and jump into an area she isn't qualified for.

In other words, not only can they do more than one thing at once, they are. They are also painfully aware of what is going on. I imagine if it was simply a matter of getting more hands on deck to fix the problem, it would have been solved. Which means that it is a little more complex than throwing more people on the pile.

amapola76

Grega wrote: »

I would pay up to triple of the regular chapter price (3x$59) for a chapter update that is advertised to have 0 new content, except only to have performance fixes and QOL improvements and adjustments to all the things needed.

Oh, heck no. Good grief, don't give them any ideas. There is no way in hell we should pay anything extra for performance fixes and quality of life improvements that should always be absolutely free, much less pay a premium.

Maybe you were just engaging in hyperbole, but this is how bad ideas get normalized.

Gythral

No new content === no new money

It's very very simple!

Nisekev

While I'm not too much into this "0 content in favor of QoL update", but I'd definitely prefer a single chapter/area that has a year's worth of content instead of what we have been getting after Summerset.

amapola76

I'd say a whole year off from new content would be a bit excessive. Six months might be ok, and I definitely wouldn't mind missing a quarter. Maybe we could just skip just one new dungeon. Or instead of doing a chapter and a zone, do two new zone DLC, which would allow them to fill in some more of those smaller gaps in the map.

Elsonso

zacvanm wrote: »

What IF we were able to influence what ZOS works on for future updates? Like let’s say they took a year off from adding in new content and just focused on performance. Do we REALLY need new dungeons that lag? Or new sets that seem to be broken from day 1 (Dark Convergence)? Do I NEED another zone to explore with terrible frame rate and client crashes? Nope. I know, insert dead horse meme here.

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

They can work on performance, and roll out content, at the same time, so I would not be in favor of furloughing the content teams while the performance team works. They just need to be aware of how different content can adversely impact performance while they are fixing the performance that it adversely impacts.

Hurbster

They are the most AAA developer whoever developed AAA games. Hire more people to do both content AND fixes.

Danikat

I think that's a massive over-simplification. As someone else already said ZOS is made up of a lot of people with different skills and specialisations. Getting all the artists, writers, voice actors, even the people who design quests and map layouts to stop doing their jobs isn't going to make fixing bugs and improving performance any faster. They're not going to be able to help with upgrading the servers or whatever needs doing because that's a completely different skill set.

Think about your own job. Imagine you come in one day and get told "Good news! the entire accounts department are going to stop doing finances and help you with your work, just tell them what needs to be done and help them with any problems." Do you think you'd get your work done faster? Or would you waste a lot of time trying to teach people with no knowledge or experience how to do the basics and end up even further behind? Oh and then it turns out you're not getting paid because no one was doing the accounting since they were all trying to learn your job. Oops.

(If you work in accounts obviously swap that for another department.)

Besides that ZOS already did a "year of performance improvements" where they dedicated all the appropriate people and resources to performance updates and gave us regular updates on their progress and what we've got now is what came out of that. Would you have paid for those updates? Would you have been happy if they'd frozen new releases for that year and all we'd had was those performance updates?

Maybe your answer is yes and if so that's fair enough but I know I wouldn't have been happy with that. Either way I think it's important to base decisions like this on real examples rather than some hypothetical of what you imagine might happen if everything you'd like ZOS to do was possible and their sole priority.

Parasaurolophus

Why do so many people think that ZoS is some kind of one team? ZoS has many teams that do different things. Artists, writers, set designers, will they also fix performance?

Elsonso

Danikat wrote: »

Besides that ZOS already did a "year of performance improvements" where they dedicated all the appropriate people and resources to performance updates and gave us regular updates on their progress and what we've got now is what came out of that. Would you have paid for those updates? Would you have been happy if they'd frozen new releases for that year and all we'd had was those performance updates?

It seems they never stopped at the end of that year. Some of that got moved to this year, and then they added the whole "Cyrodiil rewrite" (my term, not theirs) late last year that is still ongoing.

VaranisArano

ZOS has already said that they have a very cyclical type of play where a lot of players come back for new content and then drift away to other games, return, and drift away.

So I don't think the accounting department would be thrilled with a lot of players taking a year long break from ESO.

Zama666

I enjoy new content. I would not want to wait a year.
And they can do both - new content and fix performance.
For the most part performance has been ok for me.
For those who have these issues - I agree that much stuck.

Zama666

Zama666 wrote: »

I enjoy new content. I would not want to wait a year.
And they can do both - new content and fix performance.
For the most part performance has been ok for me.
For those who have these issues - I agree that much stuck.

Sorry - "that must suck"

Mushroomancer

You mean you want ANOTHER year without content?

Jokes aside, I do think a substantial upgrade to performance would be great, but to be honest the game feels really stale and samey to me at this point, so I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice an entire year worth of content just to maybe get a better performance.
And I want to emphasize maybe because ZOS has already stated that they are willing to better the performance of the game and they seem to be working on it, but a year without content isn't guaranteed to solve every single performance issue.
Moreover, as @Parasaurolophus stated, ZOS has a variety of subteams that all work on different aspects of the game, even if they are related. Putting the stream of content on hold for an entire year also means putting the people that work on aspects outside of performance on hold.
So I don't know, I'd rather get a slow and steady improvement, rather than stomaching another year of (close to no) content just for the chance of a markedly better performance, if anything because I might even have stopped playing after that long with nothing new to do.

Tandor

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zacvanm wrote: »

I just feel like the community as a whole, console and pc/mac, would be much much happier if performance wasn’t a problem. ..but I think it’s pretty ignorant to continuously introduce new things to a broken game in regards to performance.

Not everyone experiences performance issues. And, the game isn't broken.

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zacvanm wrote: »

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

Very opposed, and it will never happen. If they did what you suggest (and has been suggested several times before), ESO would be set on fire.

Besides, there are several clusters of specialized developers. You don't want Jan from accounting to drop her pencil and jump into an area she isn't qualified for.

In other words, not only can they do more than one thing at once, they are. They are also painfully aware of what is going on. I imagine if it was simply a matter of getting more hands on deck to fix the problem, it would have been solved. Which means that it is a little more complex than throwing more people on the pile.

I totally agree. The community as a whole wouldn't be happy with a year without new content in order to fix performance issues because the community as a whole doesn't suffer performance issues.

Most of the performance issues affect Cyridiil and trials. It might be more appropriate to ask those who play those parts of the game whether they would be happy to have both Cyrodiil and trials closed down for a year while the issues are fixed. Even then, I doubt that most would agree, and in any event we're back to the old point about different teams fixing performance issues and adding content.

DreamyLu

I'm a living example of the previous reply. I have zero performance issue. The game runs perfectly on my computer. I never see any lag of any sort. Same for my friends playing ESO. Once in a while, I have the 9 seconds until quitting, that's all, and I don't care about.

It would be really interesting to get some real figures, for example percentages, showing among all ESO players, how many are confronting performance issues.

Sylvermynx

As per DreamyLu and Tandor, I have no issues with this game, outside my very high satellite ping (and there's nothing the game devs can do to fix that after all).

Game runs perfect for me except for something no one can fix. [Well, I could, by moving into the city. No thank you, not my idea of a good time.]

Galaen_Frost

Public consensus is notoriously unreliable and bad, so no.

Elsonso

Sylvermynx wrote: »

As per DreamyLu and Tandor, I have no issues with this game, outside my very high satellite ping (and there's nothing the game devs can do to fix that after all).

Well, they could pay to run a cable out to your house...

Galaen_Frost wrote: »

Public consensus is notoriously unreliable and bad, so no.

The term "public consensus" is an oxymoron. Like fairies and leprechauns. It is talked about a lot, but it has never been proven to exist naturally.

Tandor wrote: »

Most of the performance issues affect Cyridiil and trials. It might be more appropriate to ask those who play those parts of the game whether they would be happy to have both Cyrodiil and trials closed down for a year while the issues are fixed.

Not closed down, but all development for PVP content is apparently on hold while the performance is being addressed. All they are doing right now is straightening the deck furniture. (aka: keeping things running)

whitecrow

The only time I have "performance issues" is when I am first dropped into the game, and for about five seconds the framerate is very poor, but then it "catches up" and everything is okay.

Sylvermynx

Elsonso wrote: »

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Sylvermynx wrote: »

As per DreamyLu and Tandor, I have no issues with this game, outside my very high satellite ping (and there's nothing the game devs can do to fix that after all).

Well, they could pay to run a cable out to your house...

Actually, one of the "local providers" made me that offer - almost a quarter of a million dollars.... Nope. Ain't hap'nin. I am NOT Zuckerberg or Bezos.

hafgood

Yes I would be upset. Since upgrading to PS5 my performance has noticeably improved and I rarely lag although I have yet to try Cyrodiil.

I play the game for enjoyment, part of the enjoyment is new content.

Let's put it like this, would you be happy playing thr same game of football against the same opposition for a year while the stadium was improved? No of course you wouldn't, you would still want different opponents each week.

Well it's the same for ESO, the stadium (game) can be improved behind the scenes while we enjoy different opposition (new content) while the improvement happens.

It's an entirely different team that will.be doing the behind the scenes improvements to the one that does new updates.

And without new updates there is no income and so how does the stadium (game) get improved if there is no money to improve it?

And despite what people say no one is going to pay £45 for an update that has no new content. Its just not going to happen.

coop500

I honestly don't have performance issues? But I don't PVP or do trials so that's probably why

Elsonso

Sylvermynx wrote: »

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Elsonso wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

As per DreamyLu and Tandor, I have no issues with this game, outside my very high satellite ping (and there's nothing the game devs can do to fix that after all).

Well, they could pay to run a cable out to your house...

Actually, one of the "local providers" made me that offer - almost a quarter of a million dollars.... Nope. Ain't hap'nin. I am NOT Zuckerberg or Bezos.

Yeah, my impression is that you live so far out in the middle of nowhere that the rest of the middle of nowhere envies how far you are out.

kojou

I enjoy new content, so that is a hard pass for me.

I don't feel like the game is as broken as this post makes it out to be either.

SilverBride

zacvanm wrote: »

So, would you be upset or opposed to a year of no content in favor of only performance updates (that work)?

The only performance issues I ever see discussed are in Cyrodiil, and sometimes in Trials. The bulk of the game runs quite fine. I do not want to lose content, and I see no reason why they can't work on both.

TwinLamps

Give me stamwhip and I need no other content for at least six months.

Obsidian3

whitecrow wrote: »

The only time I have "performance issues" is when I am first dropped into the game, and for about five seconds the framerate is very poor, but then it "catches up" and everything is okay.

and that is probably your add-ons loading. Actually the game runs super well for me, if I disable all add-ons. (which I am not gonna do:)