Rushing dungeons and can't even report. This is becoming a problem.

Ryuvain

Just had a third dungeon quest be unable to be completed because someone rushes ahead alone and solo's boss without anyone else.

Normally yes, you can report them for this, but you still lose out on a dungeon run completely. Theres also the problem of them not saying anything and leaving group immediately after doing it. That way you don't have any way to report them because there's no recent player list as far as I know.

This is becoming a huge pain and the amount of players who rush ahead and don't care seems to be increasing. If theres a recent player list let me know, otherwise this is seriously a problem.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Report them? Please show me what part of the TOS they are violating.

EF321

You don't do story runs with randoms.

Ryuvain

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Report them? Please show me what part of the TOS they are violating.

Intentional griefing maybe? They run ahead, solo final boss, and leave immediately. (Without anyone else being around so they can't loot either.) Even when players are under 50 or even at level 10-20. They will solo the entire dungeon if you don't end up kicking them early.

Ryuvain

EF321 wrote: »

You don't do story runs with randoms.

Sadly, my hours end up with mostly everyone I know being asleep. Rip.

EF321

Ryuvain wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

You don't do story runs with randoms.

Sadly, my hours end up with mostly everyone I know being asleep. Rip.

So you want to punish some random player for that?

EpicHero

Announce that you are doing the quest at the beginning of the dungeon.
If they don't want to help, leave the group, and try again.

There is no valid reason to FORCE people to play your way... but as always, a good attitude is half the battle.

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DarcyMardin

Wow, I can’t believe that people are defending this sort of griefing behavior. These are 4 person dungeons. If someone races ahead, kills the final boss and exits the group and the dungeon, leaving the other 3 people with no loot, that person should absolutely be reported for griefing the other three. If someone wants to run the dungeon alone, let them enter it solo instead of using the *group* finder.

This rude, selfish “I-want-my-reward-right-now-so-tough-for-you” behavior in group dungeons must stop!

HertoginJanneke

DarcyMardin wrote: »

This rude, selfish “I-want-my-reward-right-now-so-tough-for-you” behavior in group dungeons must stop!

I totally agree with you, but unfortunately that is the mentality of society today.

perfiction

DarcyMardin wrote: »

This rude, selfish “I-want-my-reward-right-now-so-tough-for-you” behavior in group dungeons must stop!

What about people who take their time to enjoy the views and loot every single barrel/sack/backpack which either forces the group to wait for them or makes them stay behind? Is that griefing as well?

Having different playstyle is not a bannable offence.

spartaxoxo

They are gonna fix this eventually by pulling everyone to boss.

SeaGtGruff

EF321 wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

You don't do story runs with randoms.

Sadly, my hours end up with mostly everyone I know being asleep. Rip.

So you want to punish some random player for that?

Didn't the random player punish everyone else in the group?

essi2

While annoying and actively harmful to the community(in the case of fake roles), from what I understand neither Fake-Healer/Tank or rushing rises to the level of griefing. Reporting both these behaviours is just as effective as screaming into a brickwall.

SeaGtGruff

Ryuvain wrote: »

If theres a recent player list let me know, otherwise this is seriously a problem.

Best thing I can think of is to type P to see a list of the group members as soon as you're ported into the dungeon, then take a screenshot of that list. If someone runs ahead, kills the boss without anyone being there, and then leaves lickety-split, you can take a second screenshot of the list showing the remaining 3 members and the missing 4th member will be the guilty one.

ApoAlaia

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They are gonna fix this eventually by pulling everyone to boss.

Pretty much.

Eventually all dungeons will have the 'joining encounter in progress' feature enabled.

It may still be irksome in some instances where the dungeon quest requires NPC dialogue that triggers only when certain prerequisites are met - Tempest Island, Blackheart Haven etc - if you are pulled to the boss before you can complete the step, but at least the 'soloing the boss leaving everyone behind' will be a thing of the past.

To me is more irksome the times when we have an actual tank, who needs stamina to you know, tank, and due to the 'run run run' thing arrives to each encounter with hardly any stamina left.

Not trying to start yet another 'beat the dead horse' thing here over the subject of 'do we need support characters in *insert arbitrary condition here* dungeons'. I just enjoy having support characters in the group, more so when they reach the encounters with sufficient resources to do their thing.

DestroyerPewnack

DarcyMardin wrote: »

Wow, I can’t believe that people are defending this sort of griefing behavior.

How is it griefing? It's griefing if the player was planning to take it slow, but upon realising someone was picking up the quest, they decide to rush through. It's not griefing if they were planning to get the dungeon done as quickly as possible, because they have 17 other characters they need to repeat this on.

DarcyMardin wrote: »

This rude, selfish “I-want-my-reward-right-now-so-tough-for-you” behavior in group dungeons must stop!

[snip]

On a more serious note, just call it out if you have a quest to do. Most people would be happy to slow down and help you out. But if you say nothing, you can't blame people for playing efficiently.

[edited for baiting]

colossalvoids

It can be rude, inconvenient, any word you'll come up with would be justified BUT you queued into random dungeon with random people. If you want an experience on YOUR terms use a premade, form it in a zone chat on a guild (there are a lot of those just for dungeons alone if you're on PC) as in dungeon finder you're agreeing on a terms of most capable or fast player in a group.

hafgood

Not this again? Is it that time of week?

Who cares? It's not griefing. Yes it can be inconvenient but so what. If I see someone shoot off I follow.

If I'm on one of my toons that needs the quest I pick it up and see how much I can get done by running through, I'm not bothered about the story. If I was bothered about the story I'd find people to do the dungeon with from one of my guilds.

I'm not going to complain about speed runners, about excessive looters, about boss skippers, about those who must kill everything. There are lots of styles of play. And a PUG is just a mix of them. Every PUG will not suit every player and nor should it, once you learn and accept that PUGs are there to perform a service - i.e. allow people to get a group for a dungeon relatively quickly - you will realise that that is exactly what it is doing.

Want 3 others to do the dungeon the same as you? Form your own group.

Do not expect others in a PUG to play the same as you, why should they?

Hallothiel

It’s selfish behaviour.

And much more indefensible than someone doing the quest/looting everything if others can’t loot properly.

Seriously, is their time so precious they can’t wait? Rubbish. Selfish & entitled behaviour with no spirit of co-operation.

DestroyerPewnack

Hallothiel wrote: »

Seriously, is their time so precious they can’t wait?

The answer may surprise you, but...
Yes. Yes, it kind of is. 😂

Larcomar

I hate to say it, but I don't think this is for zos to sort out / ban. Its for the community and in particular the group to sort out. You have a vote kick tool. Use it.

Ofc, if the other two players won't vote to kick, that's not going to help you. But then you have to ask, if three people in the group are ok with rushing - or even want to rush - and you're lagging behind smelling the flowers, who's the odd man out here? They have just as much right to be there and play how they want as you.

Most of the time, if you tell people you're on the quest, theyll slow down and wait for you to complete each stage. I find it's incredibly rare that a group just runs off and leaves a quester behind. The only dungeon where it's a real problem is selenes, but that's just because it's very easy to break the quest if you take out the first group too early.

Personally, if I want a story run, I go with guildies; if I'm just looking for an RND I go with the flow. Group wants to take it slow, fine, group wants to rush, ok. Ofc sometimes you do get an uncomfortable mix; two guys are smelling the flowers while speed boy runs off ahead and leaves you with a train of mobs to fight through. I used to say something in chat like "are we rushing or what?" but noone ever responds so nowadays I just vote to kick them and if the others won't just leave. It's just not worth the hassle.

Coatmagic

Had a guy yesteday run to the last boss, but it was a random and no one had quests so that part was fine,
what wasn't fine is that the person then had the gaul to DISBAND the group so the other 3 of us all got kicked out without
being able to go back and and actually do the rest of the dungeon. That was just plain rude.

gronoxvx

Legitimate question for those complaining about this, but do you post in game chat that youre doing the quest so people dont run ahead?

ThePedge

Realistically how many times has someone not waited for you to get there so you don't get loot...

Of those, how many times did you say you needed quest?

Most DLC dungeon quests autocomplete anyway so you just need to finish the dungeon and hand it in. No need to hold back other players.

HertoginJanneke

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They are gonna fix this eventually by pulling everyone to boss.

Or by making the boss immune to all damage unless all groupmembers ar nearby, or by adding something where at least 2 people need to pull levers simultaniously, or a do-or-die mechanic that requires all group members to participate.

HertoginJanneke

gronoxvx wrote: »

Legitimate question for those complaining about this, but do you post in game chat that youre doing the quest so people dont run ahead?

If I have the quest, yes. But most speedrunners do not read and don't care about others, so I start a vote kick if they keep running.

alanmatillab16_ESO

EpicHero wrote: »

Announce that you are doing the quest at the beginning of the dungeon.
If they don't want to help, leave the group, and try again.

There is no valid reason to FORCE people to play your way... but as always, a good attitude is half the battle.

Yet the person rushing is forcing people to play their way but you are ok with that?

EF321

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

You don't do story runs with randoms.

Sadly, my hours end up with mostly everyone I know being asleep. Rip.

So you want to punish some random player for that?

Didn't the random player punish everyone else in the group?

We only know what OP said, it is not all black and white probably.

FakeFox

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They are gonna fix this eventually by pulling everyone to boss.

Or by making the boss immune to all damage unless all groupmembers ar nearby, or by adding something where at least 2 people need to pull levers simultaniously, or a do-or-die mechanic that requires all group members to participate.

Moonhunter Keep PUGs are always great fun. Three out of four players don't know that they have to interrupt the first boss and either don't read the chat or don't understand English. The fourth and only player understanding the mechanic is tanking. I swear, this happens every single time.

colossalvoids

HertoginJanneke wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They are gonna fix this eventually by pulling everyone to boss.

Or by making the boss immune to all damage unless all groupmembers ar nearby, or by adding something where at least 2 people need to pull levers simultaniously, or a do-or-die mechanic that requires all group members to participate.

You probably not really understood what he was talking about. It's not possibility, there actually will be a change to make players join encounter in progress when boss is pulled, it's not made for all content still but it's a plan as currently all new dlc content releasing with that function in place for people to catch up fast.