House Hexos Motif Timer...sigh.

huntgod_ESO

Anyone have any idea what the timer is on House Hexos Motif drops from WB quests?

Is it 20hrs or after daily reset.

I've done 3 quests after the reset and no motif, got one yesterday around 7pm, so it hasn't been 20 hours yet...

Really wish there was some consistency on this or they'd announce the timer...don't want to burn up my available quests before the 20hr timer if it isn't on a daily reset.

Not sure why we have to go through this EVERYTIME they introduce a new daily motif...much less when they change the timer like the did on Ivory Brigade (which started on 20hr and then changed to daily reset).

Really frustrating.

tomofhyrule

I always just assume there's a timer when I'm opening boxes. Whether there is or not, it's safer to just act like there is.

I'll usually just open my boxes at the same time of the day until I get a motif, and then wait until the same time the next day to open more. That way I know I've let it reset however their timer is.

huntgod_ESO

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I always just assume there's a timer when I'm opening boxes. Whether there is or not, it's safer to just act like there is.

I'll usually just open my boxes at the same time of the day until I get a motif, and then wait until the same time the next day to open more. That way I know I've let it reset however their timer is.

I am I just want to know which timer because they aren't consistent with it. Sometimes its 20hr, which I am pretty sure this is, but sometimes it's at daily reset and SOMETIMES, it's one and they change it to the other, never with any sort of announcement or notification.

ApoAlaia

To err on the side of caution I always wait until slightly later on the following day before opening a reward box if I received a motif page.

Only Tuesday I finished opening Leyawiin (delve) reward boxes due to the... sizeable backlog from the event.

It would make sense that it was 20 hrs like RftW or the IC boxes but tbh waiting 20hrs or 24hrs makes little difference to me so... may as well.

ShawnLaRock

People bring this up every time a motif has dropped since SE - and time & time again, it is proven that there are no hard timers or absolute cool-downs.

S.

huntgod_ESO

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

People bring this up every time a motif has dropped since SE - and time & time again, it is proven that there are no hard timers or absolute cool-downs.

S.

That isn't correct and they have confirmed these timers exist, they just won't say which timer is on which box.

Your chance of getting a motif is never 0, nor is it ever 100% but it is weighted depending on the timer in place. So if you open them less than 20 hours (or dailyb reset depending on coffer) from when you got the last, the odds appear to be in the 1-3% range and if you open them outside that timer the odds seem to be in the 95% range.

I would love to see you link something indicating that this was disproved because I have posted on this topic ad nauseum and seen them confirmed again and again.

DinoZavr

As far as i know at U24 (Dragonhold) the motif drop cooldown from rewards containers was applied.
We never got that confirmed or denied by Zeni, but my personal experience tells that is true.
So, Dragonhold, Greymoor, Markarth, Blackwood, and The Deadlands motifs must be on 20h timer.

Once when i was discussing the said cooldown issues on Reddit i got massively downvoted and i have got an some "internet presence" ideas. No, i don't mean any conspiracy theories, as live is simple. More simple than a shawarma roll. So i ate that.
if you get "disproved" it might be fake. Trust only your own experience.

Make more account.

rexagamemnon

So is house hexos supposed to be the ancestral imperial motif? Or will there be a separate? Ive been curious if there will be an official “ancestral” style for each race. I enjoy the racial style/theme motifs anyways. Id like to see more versions of racial styles for all the races.

rexagamemnon

DinoZavr wrote: »

As far as i know at U24 (Dragonhold) the motif drop cooldown from rewards containers was applied.
We never got that confirmed or denied by Zeni, but my personal experience tells that is true.
So, Dragonhold, Greymoor, Markarth, Blackwood, and The Deadlands motifs must be on 20h timer.

Once when i was discussing the said cooldown issues on Reddit i got massively downvoted and i have got an some "internet presence" ideas. No, i don't mean any conspiracy theories, as live is simple. More simple than a shawarma roll. So i ate that.
if you get "disproved" it might be fake. Trust only your own experience.

Make more account.

Does the cool down apply to other characters on the same account?

ShawnLaRock

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

People bring this up every time a motif has dropped since SE - and time & time again, it is proven that there are no hard timers or absolute cool-downs.

S.

That isn't correct and they have confirmed these timers exist, they just won't say which timer is on which box.

Your chance of getting a motif is never 0, nor is it ever 100% but it is weighted depending on the timer in place. So if you open them less than 20 hours (or dailyb reset depending on coffer) from when you got the last, the odds appear to be in the 1-3% range and if you open them outside that timer the odds seem to be in the 95% range.

I would love to see you link something indicating that this was disproved because I have posted on this topic ad nauseum and seen them confirmed again and again.

Read the Ivory Brigade thread for starters. Best of luck!

Edit: hence my comment “no hard timers or absolute cool-downs”

S.

Finedaible

Invisible cooldown timers on loot is the shittiest way to artificially prolong content in this day and age. You either waste time opening multiples of them because it didn't tell you about it anywhere, or you know because someone mentioned it and feel awful because you now have to wait a whole day before trying to roll the dice again.

DinoZavr

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Does the cool down apply to other characters on the same account?

From my observations it is per account.
You open reward containers until motif pages drops. Then you stop for 20 hours.
Again, these are only my observations. I have no doubts i will be argued upon that.

TiaFrye

Jeez. I've got two pages while getting a coffer few hours after release and second next morning, less than 20h after previous one. Next two days - 0 pages. It's complete RNG. New Moon motif was from a reward chest for maxed Dragonguard hideout, not a coffer. And only one with cool down I can remember while playing for almost 8 years.

ShawnLaRock

^

S.

prof-dracko

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So is house hexos supposed to be the ancestral imperial motif? Or will there be a separate? Ive been curious if there will be an official “ancestral” style for each race. I enjoy the racial style/theme motifs anyways. Id like to see more versions of racial styles for all the races.

They use an "etched nickel" style material, which is consistent with the other ancestral styles so far.

huntgod_ESO

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

People bring this up every time a motif has dropped since SE - and time & time again, it is proven that there are no hard timers or absolute cool-downs.

S.

That isn't correct and they have confirmed these timers exist, they just won't say which timer is on which box.

Your chance of getting a motif is never 0, nor is it ever 100% but it is weighted depending on the timer in place. So if you open them less than 20 hours (or dailyb reset depending on coffer) from when you got the last, the odds appear to be in the 1-3% range and if you open them outside that timer the odds seem to be in the 95% range.

I would love to see you link something indicating that this was disproved because I have posted on this topic ad nauseum and seen them confirmed again and again.

Read the Ivory Brigade thread for starters. Best of luck!

Edit: hence my comment “no hard timers or absolute cool-downs”

S.

You mean this thread https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/576584/does-ivory-brigade-have-a-hidden-20-hr-timer that I started? Your reading of that is very different than mine.

What you are saying is technically correct but misleading, which is why I contested it.

Again I agree that your odds are never 0 or 100, but do change depending on whether you are within the time period or outside of it and the odds outside the time period are close to 100%, I just want to know how long that time period is and when it resets because it ABSOLUTELY exists and is very testable.

huntgod_ESO

TiaFrye wrote: »

Jeez. I've got two pages while getting a coffer few hours after release and second next morning, less than 20h after previous one. Next two days - 0 pages. It's complete RNG. New Moon motif was from a reward chest for maxed Dragonguard hideout, not a coffer. And only one with cool down I can remember while playing for almost 8 years.

As I stated your odds are never 0 or 100%, so it is completely possible to open two coffers back to back and get a motif in each, but the odds are very small.

Basically, once you receive a motif, there is a timer, I am pretty sure it is 20hrs on this one, and during that 20hrs your odds of pulling another motif are very low, I'd say under 5%, once that 20hrs has elapsed the odds go up to very high 95% or higher.

To really test this, you need to be opening multiple coffers, which means running the quest multiple times by getting people to share with you, then opening multiple chests on each side of the daily reset and opening multiple chests inside the 20hr timer and outside the timer.

I've done multiple inside the timer with no motif, so I am pretty confident when I open a few tonight outside that limit I will get one.

ApoAlaia

Given that cooldowns already exist on PvP reward chests and that ZOS has an affinity for using these kind of mechanics to 'pace' the rate at which players can accrue certain items is certainly not in the 'conspiracy theory' realm to infer that cooldowns might exist on other rewards.

Furthermore I have never not received a motif page from the Rockgrove 'weekly' chest when 20hrs at least have past between 'openings'.

However during the Blackwood event where two chests would be awarded per week and character upon successful completion, in the four characters which I absent-mindedly opened a reward chest either within a 20hr period of the previous one which did award a page or back-to-back I did not get a page.

Take this as you will. Personally I do leave the cooldown, imaginary or otherwise, to run its course.

EDIT: In hindsight one could argue that the reward coffers that have a known timer all have also guaranteed rewards (geodes, merits, trial motif pages, whathaveyou...) where these do not - other than the set piece which is not what is being discussed here - therefore it might be just RNG and no timer exists.

Still, doesn't harm me to wait, is not like I am being flooded with pages thus my inventories being clogged with 'queued' coffers so do what best suits you really.

huntgod_ESO

So I got no motif in 5 chests yesterday and none in 5 today, so this one looks like it's just random random, no timer or increased odds that I can tell. Could also just be having the worst luck...gonna run all my alts through and see if they have better luck.

huntgod_ESO

14 coffers over three characters and still no motiff today, also none yesterday...sigh.

tim77

Out of the 12 boxes i got one page each day, everytime towards the end of opening, so in the 7th to 10th box.
Maybe they introduced both, bad rng AND timer. lol

NotaDaedraWorshipper

rexagamemnon wrote: »

So is house hexos supposed to be the ancestral imperial motif? Or will there be a separate? Ive been curious if there will be an official “ancestral” style for each race. I enjoy the racial style/theme motifs anyways. Id like to see more versions of racial styles for all the races.

Yes, it is the updated imperial style. Badly done as well. Only the light looks alright.

Spiral__Architect

Despite the in game Achievement declaring this is from WB quests, it is dropping solely from the delve quest in the Deadlands.

huntgod_ESO

Spiral__Architect wrote: »

Despite the in game Achievement declaring this is from WB quests, it is dropping solely from the delve quest in the Deadlands.

Seriously?

Spiral__Architect

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/590854/house-hexos-motif-is-dropping-from-delve-daily-quest-rewards#latest

huntgod_ESO

FFS...

huntgod_ESO

So yeah, opened about 5 delve coffers and got another motif.

They should really fix that in the achievements or at least chime in with a confirmation, but doing Delves now.

Will try to figure out if it's a 20hr or daily reset tonight...

Fizzyapple

If you stand up and spin around 3 times the timer resets. Tested and confirmed.

James-Wayne

Well Ive been doing dailies since launch and have never got a motif so I dont think its timer based at all.

Gelmir

James-Wayne wrote: »

Well Ive been doing dailies since launch and have never got a motif so I dont think its timer based at all.

Same here.

huntgod_ESO

James-Wayne wrote: »

Well Ive been doing dailies since launch and have never got a motif so I dont think its timer based at all.

So couple of things, it drops from the DELVE dailies, not the WB dailies...the achievement is wrong.

It takes 4-6 coffers to get one...will determine tonight if it's 20hr or daily reset.

That said, the odds are never 0 or 100, so terrible luck can factor in, but if you are opening outside the timer, your odds are much better.