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forced CP respec
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pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭People are terribly ungrateful. ZOS releases a hotfix almost immediately after noticing a rather serious bug - oh no, I don't want to reallocate my CP again. ZOS doesn't fix something immediately - oh no, how can you delay fixing something so important for so long!
Despite the fact that I will have to reallocate CP on 18 characters I appreciate their promptness in fixing bugs. Thanks! @ZOS_Kevin
No, people are annoyed it was allowed to go live in the first place. If I let software go out with bugs like this in I would soon be out of a job. It's called testing!
tbh I can't be bothered to reset CP. I'll take a break instead and do something else.14 -
S2RDK✭✭Well one thing is the cp reset, but why do they need 2 hours to roll the fix on....Edited by S2RDK on November 4, 2021 8:25AM0 -
VDoom1✭✭✭✭✭I understand that people want to game, but this maintenance is a necessary evil. I don't want to respec my CP on my characters either, but it's just how it has to be. It's not like ZoS is doing this to mess with us.
I think this CP tree is faster to set up than the old one. Green is very easy to set up, it's red and blue that may take a little longer depending on your characterSylvermynx wrote: »If you're on PC, get Caro's Skill and CP Point Saver:
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2901-CarosSkillPointSaver.html
Thanks for sharing this! Will definitely use it from now on.
Edited by VDoom1 on November 4, 2021 8:40AMWe Fight For Cyrodiil.
We fight for The Daggerfall Covenant.
We fight for The Aldmeri Dominion.
We fight for The Ebonheart Pact.
We fight for Tamriel!CP 1200+
Grand Master Crafter | Tamriel Hero
Imperial Dragonknight
Khajiit Necromancer
Altmer Templar | Dunmer Nightblade
Khajiit Nightblade | Argonian Dragonknight
Altmer Sorcerer | Breton Nightblade
Nord Warden | Dunmer SorcererGuild - Priests Of Hircine
ESO Since 2014
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Beilin_Balreis_Colcan✭✭✭✭✭
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Data.Well one thing is the cp reset, but why do they need 2 hours to roll the fix on....
When they need to update the data for millions of users, nothing must go wrong. There is no room for errors. I know I said earlier in the thread that I don't agree with their particular choice of update method, but I certainly hope they take their time doing it.PC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3901 -
Thrasher91604✭✭✭✭✭13 characters, and I just found out about the forced respec too late. There really should be in game announcements for things like last minute forced respects.6 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People are terribly ungrateful. ZOS releases a hotfix almost immediately after noticing a rather serious bug - oh no, I don't want to reallocate my CP again. ZOS doesn't fix something immediately - oh no, how can you delay fixing something so important for so long!
With all due respect, but your sarcasm is a bit misplaced. This bug was reported on PTS.
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Meiox✭✭✭✭HertoginJanneke wrote: »
I just hope they will never ever reset the armory saves. Will be very annoying to get vampire/werewolf again on every toon which had them in one of the armory builds0 -
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huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭1800cp takes me less than a minute to re do my CP, also have 18 characters to do it on, so maybe 30 minutes of logging/relogging to get this done...just not that big a deal.--- HuntGod ---
Officer of the Unrepentant
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huntgod_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭baconoverlord wrote: »
This wasn't a bug you caused to happen, it just happened to some people, so why would you ban someone for reporting a bug that they had no part in triggering?--- HuntGod ---
Officer of the Unrepentant
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Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »
Before you say such things, you might want to make sure you know how this bug happens. Because if you knew that, you would probably say 'Yep, ZOS just had to screw around... again.' Also, don't forget this bug was already mentioned during testing on PTS.
This bug just happend by using the armory:No exploit -- I logged in to finish setting up an armory slot started yesterday and I had 65k cp. It just happens.
You can't ban people for playing a game with spaghetti code.1 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, aint this just a great bug to let through and have to fix.
I can't be the only player with a larger number of 'toons (18) that will have to burn up a lot of residual festival time for double XP so I can re-set 1840 CP points to restore my 'toons.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.2 -
baconoverlord wrote: »
Before you say such things, you might want to make sure you know how this bug happens. Because if you knew that, you would probably say 'Yep, ZOS just had to screw around... again.' Also, don't forget this bug was already mentioned during testing on PTS.
This bug just happend by using the armory:No exploit -- I logged in to finish setting up an armory slot started yesterday and I had 65k cp. It just happens.
You can't ban people for playing a game with spaghetti code.
That's obviously not the EXPLOIT portion of the equation.
Spending them and using them is.
That should be pretty easy to track and ban the folks that decided to abuse the bug.0 -
baconoverlord wrote: »
Before you say such things, you might want to make sure you know how this bug happens. Because if you knew that, you would probably say 'Yep, ZOS just had to screw around... again.' Also, don't forget this bug was already mentioned during testing on PTS.
This bug just happend by using the armory:No exploit -- I logged in to finish setting up an armory slot started yesterday and I had 65k cp. It just happens.
You can't ban people for playing a game with spaghetti code.
You can ban people for spending the points and using them.
That's where the "exploit" comes in. You know, the thing that's against the EULA and TOS of every online game out there?
That thing.0 -
JJOtterBear✭✭✭✭People are terribly ungrateful. ZOS releases a hotfix almost immediately after noticing a rather serious bug - oh no, I don't want to reallocate my CP again. ZOS doesn't fix something immediately - oh no, how can you delay fixing something so important for so long!
Despite the fact that I will have to reallocate CP on 18 characters I appreciate their promptness in fixing bugs. Thanks! @ZOS_Kevin
No, people are annoyed it was allowed to go live in the first place. If I let software go out with bugs like this in I would soon be out of a job. It's called testing!
tbh I can't be bothered to reset CP. I'll take a break instead and do something else.
for a software engineer i'm surprised you aren't aware of the fact that bugs don't always manifest during testing. that sometimes on the development side, everything looks good, then it goes client side and you get weird code interactions that didn't happen during testing. it happens, a lot. especially with games.
coding is not an exact science.0 -
Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »baconoverlord wrote: »
Before you say such things, you might want to make sure you know how this bug happens. Because if you knew that, you would probably say 'Yep, ZOS just had to screw around... again.' Also, don't forget this bug was already mentioned during testing on PTS.
This bug just happend by using the armory:No exploit -- I logged in to finish setting up an armory slot started yesterday and I had 65k cp. It just happens.
You can't ban people for playing a game with spaghetti code.
You can ban people for spending the points and using them.
That's where the "exploit" comes in. You know, the thing that's against the EULA and TOS of every online game out there?
That thing.
But that's not the reason for the fix. The fix happened because ZOS screwed up.
And the CP reset would have happened whether people used the excessive CP or not. It's part of the bugfix, it's not because someone allocated their additional CP. These CP were removed every time you relog or change zone, so by shutting down the server, this would've been dealt with. Wiping everyone's CP was done because they saw no other way to fix the bug itself, nothing else.0 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I did not actually used the armoury, just placed it in my house and still I had to re-spec my CP points... just because someone, somewhere cheated... unfair
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on November 4, 2021 10:28AM0 -
Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol, dudes, it's not about cheating. People used bugged feature and had bugged points not knowing that it will happen. No one wonders if it's expolited or not - this is serious problem so they make instant hotfix.
It's 100% ZOS fault, especially if that was showed in PTS. Instead fixing this critical bug then, they waited and now they can instant hot fix but at cost of forced respec. I know that there is no time for fix everything but they should know that's something serious. I'm angry because of that I have to deal with all my 14 characters...PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton2 -
Luke_Flamesword wrote: »Lol, dudes, it's not about cheating. People used bugged feature and had bugged points not knowing that it will happen. No one wonders if it's expolited or not - this is serious problem so they make instant hotfix.
It's 100% ZOS fault, especially if that was showed in PTS. Instead fixing this critical bug then, they waited and now they can instant hot fix but at cost of forced respec. I know that there is no time for fix everything but they should know that's something serious. I'm angry because of that I have to deal with all my 14 characters...
Eh... no.
Some people might have overspent a few points, figured out what was going on and didn't do it again after they zoned.
That's a bug.
A lot of players figured it out and went on overspending sprees in trial zones and did it in dungeons, etc. Over and over.
That's an exploit.
Those players should be banned. Period. No excuses.0 -
pdblake✭✭✭✭✭
✭JJOtterBear wrote: »People are terribly ungrateful. ZOS releases a hotfix almost immediately after noticing a rather serious bug - oh no, I don't want to reallocate my CP again. ZOS doesn't fix something immediately - oh no, how can you delay fixing something so important for so long!
Despite the fact that I will have to reallocate CP on 18 characters I appreciate their promptness in fixing bugs. Thanks! @ZOS_Kevin
No, people are annoyed it was allowed to go live in the first place. If I let software go out with bugs like this in I would soon be out of a job. It's called testing!
tbh I can't be bothered to reset CP. I'll take a break instead and do something else.
for a software engineer i'm surprised you aren't aware of the fact that bugs don't always manifest during testing. that sometimes on the development side, everything looks good, then it goes client side and you get weird code interactions that didn't happen during testing. it happens, a lot. especially with games.
coding is not an exact science.
Pretty sure this was found on PTS, so yes bugs are missed, but not this one, just ignored.2 -
Kryptonite_Kent✭✭✭✭baconoverlord wrote: »Luke_Flamesword wrote: »Lol, dudes, it's not about cheating. People used bugged feature and had bugged points not knowing that it will happen. No one wonders if it's expolited or not - this is serious problem so they make instant hotfix.
It's 100% ZOS fault, especially if that was showed in PTS. Instead fixing this critical bug then, they waited and now they can instant hot fix but at cost of forced respec. I know that there is no time for fix everything but they should know that's something serious. I'm angry because of that I have to deal with all my 14 characters...
Eh... no.
Some people might have overspent a few points, figured out what was going on and didn't do it again after they zoned.
That's a bug.
A lot of players figured it out and went on overspending sprees in trial zones and did it in dungeons, etc. Over and over.
That's an exploit.
Those players should be banned. Period. No excuses.
None of that is true... you can only slot 4 things from each tree... the secondary non slottable points amount to nothing, it would give no advantage in a dungeon or a trial.Edited by Kryptonite_Kent on November 4, 2021 11:23AMFormer Emperor
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M0ntie✭✭✭✭✭Lazy fix by ZoS, no reason they couldn’t only reset characters with overallocated CP. waste of time having to redo Cp and yet more outage in prime time to play for Australians.0
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KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭If CP was a far more simple thing it wouldn't be so annoying. Since it is actually NOT that simple thing, and I'm forced to think again where my CPs are supposed to go in all of my 9 characters, yes, this is annoying. I'm a developer too, you know? In my company we make a habit of minimizing the trouble caused to the user when we implement a feature, and we actually manage it fantastically. It can be done.2 -
Remathilis✭✭✭✭✭
✭::Laughs in Console::
The good news is that by the time the console patches come, this bug will be squashed and no forced Respec needed.0 -
EF321✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HertoginJanneke wrote: »
2100CP
15 characters
Have to re-do every already saved armory build as well, as CPs are reset in builds too
Logout time + Requesting character login + Loading times + Porting home
Then remaking each armory loadout from scratch
Then porting back to where they belong.
+ Have to rethink on starts and what suits each char, not mindless clicking2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Remathilis wrote: »::Laughs in Console::
The good news is that by the time the console patches come, this bug will be squashed and no forced Respec needed.
Fingers crossed. 3 -
rbfrgsp✭✭✭✭✭So if this gets fixed tomorrow, will I be able to reload my CP from the armoury then, or will I still have to reallocate manually?
Because if so that is really it for me - into the bin goes ESO, it was fun.0 -
KalyanLazair✭✭✭✭HertoginJanneke wrote: »
2100CP
15 characters
Have to re-do every already saved armory build as well, as CPs are reset in builds too
Logout time + Requesting character login + Loading times + Porting home
Then remaking each armory loadout from scratch
Then porting back to where they belong.
+ Have to rethink on starts and what suits each char, not mindless clicking
Basically, this. Good for the dude who'se got a photographic memory and can flash his way through CPs. I don't have that memory so I have to rethink where everything goes, test and then adjust... It doesn't help that I was already pissed at the game and this last blow has really made me reconsider my Plus subscription. It's Bethesda for goodness sake, not a tiny, 20 people company! They got the coin and we pay them enough to be able to do things competently. One would expect someone out of the 300 people team would be able to figure out a way to fix the bug without affecting the WHOLE playerbase.
Not to mention I hate, hate, hate the new CP point system with a boiling passion, so the less I have to interact with it, the happier I am.5
