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Random xp.. normal vs vet
SonOfSoma
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I'm quite perplexed...
Why does a normal random dungeon give out the same xp as a veteran dungeon?
Surely this is causing some of the problems you all vent..
Why does a normal random dungeon give out the same xp as a veteran dungeon?
Surely this is causing some of the problems you all vent..
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Ei8htba11✭✭✭✭One might expect the amount of XP awarded to reflect the effort involved perhaps? A normal dungeon is easier as mobs/bosses have fewer hit points, and there are fewer mechanics involved.3 -
Gray_howling_parrot✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not?
Which one would you suggest should give more XP?
I feel like this is a silly question - not to be offensive or anything. If we're talking normal vs. veteran Fungal Grotto 1, then yes, I wouldn't differentiate. But if you do a random veteran dungeon and get Veteran Dread Cellar vs. doing a random normal dungeon and getting Banished Cells 1, there should be at the very least a transmute stone difference if not much more XP.
I definitely believe that there should be a predisposed effort/difficulty multiplier placed on dungeons. Not only would it reward you more for doing more difficult content, but it could also allow newer players to understand how difficult the dungeon is going to be. I know some will say DLC vs. non-DLC is the only distinction you need, but even then Veteran Lair of Maarselok vs. Veteran White Gold Tower are pretty different in difficulty and mechanics. Just a thought
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MyKillv2.0✭✭✭✭✭
✭...because the reward is not for completing the task but rather participating in the event. You are just given the reward for completing the event so that people do not abuse the system, sign up for a dungeon, and then bail once the dungeon reward has been given out.
The answer to your question is very simple. Zos just wants warm bodies for the dungeon finder so that newer players have someone to group up with when they use the feature or for players who are looking for a particular dungeon. If you rewarded players with higher rewards for harder content, the pool of players available for newer or older content will be drastically lower.
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Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not?
Which one would you suggest should give more XP?
I feel like this is a silly question - not to be offensive or anything. If we're talking normal vs. veteran Fungal Grotto 1, then yes, I wouldn't differentiate. But if you do a random veteran dungeon and get Veteran Dread Cellar vs. doing a random normal dungeon and getting Banished Cells 1, there should be at the very least a transmute stone difference if not much more XP.
I definitely believe that there should be a predisposed effort/difficulty multiplier placed on dungeons. Not only would it reward you more for doing more difficult content, but it could also allow newer players to understand how difficult the dungeon is going to be. I know some will say DLC vs. non-DLC is the only distinction you need, but even then Veteran Lair of Maarselok vs. Veteran White Gold Tower are pretty different in difficulty and mechanics. Just a thought
Difficulty, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Some of us have been doing vet dungeons for so long that there is little concern between vet dlc vs vet base game. As for normals, they can proove exceedingly "difficult" for newer players who have never done any dungeons, let alone the poor sods dealing with vets ransacking the entire run in less than a minute...
So it's all relative in the sense it depends not only on the dungeon but who is choosing to do them. I do think that a higher transmute count should be placed on vet dlc's generally but only maybe like two more or something.
At this point, given the amount of non-sense we ALL have to end up dealing with when choosing a random, I'd still say the rewards are equally applicable.
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Bat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not?
Which one would you suggest should give more XP?
I feel like this is a silly question - not to be offensive or anything. If we're talking normal vs. veteran Fungal Grotto 1, then yes, I wouldn't differentiate. But if you do a random veteran dungeon and get Veteran Dread Cellar vs. doing a random normal dungeon and getting Banished Cells 1, there should be at the very least a transmute stone difference if not much more XP.
I definitely believe that there should be a predisposed effort/difficulty multiplier placed on dungeons. Not only would it reward you more for doing more difficult content, but it could also allow newer players to understand how difficult the dungeon is going to be. I know some will say DLC vs. non-DLC is the only distinction you need, but even then Veteran Lair of Maarselok vs. Veteran White Gold Tower are pretty different in difficulty and mechanics. Just a thought
Making veteran random queues more attractive in terms of immediate rewards would lead to many more people who are underequipped and underlevelled queuing for them, and something that would be a less boring run (than normal difficulty) for people who already have a ton of experience of veteran content would likely end in a queue cooldown because who has the time to resurrect possibly upwards of 3 other players dozens of times and explain mechanics over and over and yet be ignored because they came in expecting to be carried and so your most sensible option is to leave the group because you ask them to please kick you because you don't have time for this nonsense and they won't because they want you to carry them all the way to victory.
It's not a silly question, it's a question of consequence.2 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'll random normal any dungeon cause I know I can carry an instance even if fake supports are present.
Most Vet dungeons on the other hand requires the majority of the group to be competent in their role and a vet instance will inherently take longer than a normal instance even when everyone knows what they're doing.
An argument could be made that the vet random should give more xp, but is ZOS more likely to boost the vet random xp amount or reduce the amount of xp you get from a random normal? Either way I doubt ZOS would increase the vet xp gain to a level that would be adequate like a minimum of double what you would get from a normal random on live.
One could also argue that a vet instance already provides sufficient rewards. Higher quality loot, monsters set head pieces, purple jewelry, achievements, double keys for hard mode clear, etc.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Magdalina✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why not?
Which one would you suggest should give more XP?
I feel like this is a silly question - not to be offensive or anything. If we're talking normal vs. veteran Fungal Grotto 1, then yes, I wouldn't differentiate. But if you do a random veteran dungeon and get Veteran Dread Cellar vs. doing a random normal dungeon and getting Banished Cells 1, there should be at the very least a transmute stone difference if not much more XP.
I definitely believe that there should be a predisposed effort/difficulty multiplier placed on dungeons. Not only would it reward you more for doing more difficult content, but it could also allow newer players to understand how difficult the dungeon is going to be. I know some will say DLC vs. non-DLC is the only distinction you need, but even then Veteran Lair of Maarselok vs. Veteran White Gold Tower are pretty different in difficulty and mechanics. Just a thought
Making veteran random queues more attractive in terms of immediate rewards would lead to many more people who are underequipped and underlevelled queuing for them, and something that would be a less boring run (than normal difficulty) for people who already have a ton of experience of veteran content would likely end in a queue cooldown because who has the time to resurrect possibly upwards of 3 other players dozens of times and explain mechanics over and over and yet be ignored because they came in expecting to be carried and so your most sensible option is to leave the group because you ask them to please kick you because you don't have time for this nonsense and they won't because they want you to carry them all the way to victory.
It's not a silly question, it's a question of consequence.
But on the other side, making veteran random queueus more attractive would lead to many properly equipped and leveled people to queue for those rather than roflstomp normals, ruining those for newer players. Which might actually lead to overall BETTER teams available in random vets because currently people doing randoms for farming are basically forced to do normals. How about that?
Overall, I do think it's high time we reconsider this weird notion that random normals and vets should offer the same reward. This isn't how ANYTHING in the game works, vet dungeons and trials and arenas already do offer (marginally) higher reward which only makes sense. It's nonsense that in its current form you're literally PUNISHED for choosing vet content over normal.0 -
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✭I’d definitely support making random Vets more attractive either through XP and possibly transmute stones from the reward.
I’ve honestly never did a random vet dungeon since there’s no real reason incentive.0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The first issue with graning more XP for a random vet vs normal is it would drive more inexperienced players to do veteran dungeons.
Similar has been mentioned when suggesting DLC dungeons should grant more transmutation crystals.1
