Multithread Causing Constant Crashes?

RedAsKetchum

I never had crashing issues with ESO until recently. I reinstalled the game, windows, delelted everything addons related and the crashes still occur. Thing is these crashes will only happen during heavy combat at a dungeon (sometimes just running in the dungeon) or dolmens. Ever since I turned off multithreading my fps are horrible again but I havent crashed (yet?). Is this option causing issues for anyone else?
If so its a real shame because it allowed me to have some solid fps.

oddbasket

Could be a heat issue causing instability. I've noticed my gpu fans run louder with the option enabled, so I've left it off since I have playable fps to begin with.

phairdon

All my crashes occur during dolmen grind. 4 times on NA and once on EU, so far. Always at the same location, hollow wastes dolmen. Thought my gpu drivers were causing the crashs, until other players mentioned they were crashing at dolmens too.

WoodenHeart

I had to turn mine off for the same reason. While I liked the extra fps, the crashes were just too much to deal with. I went from never crashing to 5-6 times in a couple hours. I hope they fix it in the future so I can reenable it.

It didn't seem to cause more heat for me... I monitor that continuously. But I do think it changed something in my system, as I still crash once or twice a night now, even with it disabled, grrr.

tomfant

I don't have issues in heavy combat situations but CTD frequently when accessing a guild store or the bank.

davidtk

I tried with and without multithreading. Still game crashing in every possible situations...
Last time i crashed only because i came to Alinor and went few steps and hard crash.
Sometime you are logged out with crash, thats good at least but i dungeons? Cmon, waiting because accounct already logged ... Damn game. Game is really unstable even without addons

Sarannah

Not having any crashes with multithreading on, but I updated my BIOS drivers before I activated this feature(do NOT do this yourself). Just incase.

But your crashes could have many causes, some are:

-Multithreading introduced new ways to use your CPU, meaning this could also include new commands not yet recognized by your hardware. (This is why I updated my BIOS beforehand)
-One of the cores on your CPU might be broken or not functioning properly, but you never noticed this before. Due to the game not using multiple cores.
-Your CPU cannot handle the load which multithreading places upon it.
-Your CPU becomes too hot, and shuts down the main cause instantly(the game).
-The game itself is not using multithreading properly in combination with your specific CPU.

Just some possible causes, hopefully this allows some of you to troubleshoot the issues and get rid of them.

Irfind

Only problem i had was to mutch FPS in Loadscreens, up to 500+ so i turned my Radeon Chill on and capped it at 144 fps

SirLeeMinion

I've noticed this as well. It happens on multiple computers (one laptop and two desktops), with and without add-ons, and on multiple accounts. Whether multi-threading is on or off does not seem to be the issue. That said, I've seen a marked increase in disconnects and crashes and would place the start of these issues at about the time multi-threading was introduced (or possibly around the time I bought Blackwood - which was at the 35% off sale, not sure). It used to happen once a week, now I find that I'm getting booted once or twice an hour. Combined with the 30 second delay to logging back in, this takes group content and PvP off the table.

Additionally, fps seems less stable. I've always run pretty steadily at 60-90 fps; now, I find myself swinging from 5 to 135 (again, on multiple computers).

SpiritKitten

I had to disable multithreading because it makes the blue diamond objective on my compass not show up even if it is on the map until I disable it and replace it, and then even still it will eventually disappear off my compass again. As soon as I turn on multithread this issue occurs, then when I turn it off this issue resolves. Instantly. It is 100% the multithreading causing it. Also, yes, it makes me crash.

master_vanargand

RedAsKetchum wrote: »

I never had crashing issues with ESO until recently. I reinstalled the game, windows, delelted everything addons related and the crashes still occur. Thing is these crashes will only happen during heavy combat at a dungeon (sometimes just running in the dungeon) or dolmens. Ever since I turned off multithreading my fps are horrible again but I havent crashed (yet?). Is this option causing issues for anyone else?
If so its a real shame because it allowed me to have some solid fps.

When Multithread is turned on, it will be 100% crashed on Japanese ESO

RedAsKetchum

Sarannah wrote: »

Not having any crashes with multithreading on, but I updated my BIOS drivers before I activated this feature(do NOT do this yourself). Just incase.

But your crashes could have many causes, some are:

-Multithreading introduced new ways to use your CPU, meaning this could also include new commands not yet recognized by your hardware. (This is why I updated my BIOS beforehand)
-One of the cores on your CPU might be broken or not functioning properly, but you never noticed this before. Due to the game not using multiple cores.
-Your CPU cannot handle the load which multithreading places upon it.
-Your CPU becomes too hot, and shuts down the main cause instantly(the game).
-The game itself is not using multithreading properly in combination with your specific CPU.

Just some possible causes, hopefully this allows some of you to troubleshoot the issues and get rid of them.

Thing I know its not temp issues. Im always monitoring these things and Im water cooled. (Ryzen 3800x - 8 cores) Its the one game crashing for me right now. Cant even think of any other game that I had crash before other than the notorious cyberpunk.
I also have my bios on the latest version and so far the issue only happens with multithreading on which makes me believe its definitely a problem on Zenimax's side.

RedAsKetchum

tomfant wrote: »

I don't have issues in heavy combat situations but CTD frequently when accessing a guild store or the bank.

Talk about a new low. wow...

oddbasket

RedAsKetchum wrote: »

Thing I know its not temp issues. Im always monitoring these things and Im water cooled. (Ryzen 3800x - 8 cores) Its the one game crashing for me right now. Cant even think of any other game that I had crash before other than the notorious cyberpunk.
I also have my bios on the latest version and so far the issue only happens with multithreading on which makes me believe its definitely a problem on Zenimax's side.

The CPU isn't doing the rendering. CPUs are well equipped to handle multithreading for a long time and it is unlikely to put a dent in modern CPUs. However, now you have extra CPU processes telling the GPU to do more work, so you will see higher GPU utilization.

Most hardware related game crashes are more often GPU instability than CPU. The GPU usually benefits more than the CPU when a PC has good airflow. I'm not saying that's the case, and won't rule out software issues despite it working for some of us.

RedAsKetchum

oddbasket wrote: »

RedAsKetchum wrote: »

Thing I know its not temp issues. Im always monitoring these things and Im water cooled. (Ryzen 3800x - 8 cores) Its the one game crashing for me right now. Cant even think of any other game that I had crash before other than the notorious cyberpunk.
I also have my bios on the latest version and so far the issue only happens with multithreading on which makes me believe its definitely a problem on Zenimax's side.

The CPU isn't doing the rendering. CPUs are well equipped to handle multithreading for a long time and it is unlikely to put a dent in modern CPUs. However, now you have extra CPU processes telling the GPU to do more work, so you will see higher GPU utilization.

Most hardware related game crashes are more often GPU instability than CPU. The GPU usually benefits more than the CPU when a PC has good airflow. I'm not saying that's the case, and won't rule out software issues despite it working for some of us.

Well this is the only game acting out like this. I doubt its my gpu. I tried different drivers and its an rtx 3070 so its still got a lot of headroom (which I also monitor constantly). Theres gotta be something wrong with the multithread option.

RedAsKetchum

RedAsKetchum wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

RedAsKetchum wrote: »

Thing I know its not temp issues. Im always monitoring these things and Im water cooled. (Ryzen 3800x - 8 cores) Its the one game crashing for me right now. Cant even think of any other game that I had crash before other than the notorious cyberpunk.
I also have my bios on the latest version and so far the issue only happens with multithreading on which makes me believe its definitely a problem on Zenimax's side.

The CPU isn't doing the rendering. CPUs are well equipped to handle multithreading for a long time and it is unlikely to put a dent in modern CPUs. However, now you have extra CPU processes telling the GPU to do more work, so you will see higher GPU utilization.

Most hardware related game crashes are more often GPU instability than CPU. The GPU usually benefits more than the CPU when a PC has good airflow. I'm not saying that's the case, and won't rule out software issues despite it working for some of us.

Well this is the only game acting out like this. I doubt its my gpu. I tried different drivers and its an rtx 3070 so its still got a lot of headroom (which I also monitor constantly). Theres gotta be something wrong with the multithread option.

Plus my GPU is an ASUS strix 3070 OC which has one of the best heatsinks out there for 30 series cards and barely gets pushed.

Cirantille

It caused frequent crashes in my old machine

In new one no crashes whatsoever, I started to believe it might be too heavy on old specs

RedAsKetchum

Cirantille wrote: »

It caused frequent crashes in my old machine

In new one no crashes whatsoever, I started to believe it might be too heavy on old specs

Well sadly, thats not my case... guess Ill have to keep it off for the time being

ZOS_Bill

As there is already a discussion ongoing for crashes related to multithreading, we are going to close this thread. You can continue discussion in the thread linked below.

Multithreaded rendering crash to desktop