Hrothgar's Chill stealth nerf

sMuggle

No mention on Live Patch Notes v7.1.7 09/19/21 of change;

Before;



After;

doesurmindglow

Yea I don't think it's a bad change, but it is weird the change isn't in the patch notes.

Has the feeling of "we didn't want to admit too loudly how bad we messed up with these sets."

Winter_exe

also fixed a bug when your set was triggered by someone else's control, and a bug with inadequate area damage was fixed. Not a word about these changes is written in the patch. Yes, we understand that it is difficult to admit mistakes, but we must be informed about all changes

Flangdoodle

Weird that they didn't say anything about it? Wonder if someone just *forgot* lol.

techyeshic

Ignores spell resistance. So..unless you were hitting someone above cap spell resist; kind of a buff?

ZOS_GinaBruno

Flangdoodle wrote: »

Weird that they didn't say anything about it? Wonder if someone just *forgot* lol.

There was just a miscommunication about when this was going live, but it's been added to the PC Live patch notes now. Apologies for the mix up here. For visibility, here is the full change to this item set:

• Hrothgar's Chill:
  • This item set now deals 13% of the added Physical and Spell Resistance on the initial target, down from 26%.
  • This set now ignores mitigation on all targets to ensure it remains a potent tank punishing set.
  • Fixed an issue where the explosion damage of this set was not being affected by Battle Spirit.

Flangdoodle

Heh - thought it might be something like that. No worries Gina!

doesurmindglow

Cool cool, thanks for the clarification. A good change I think.

sMuggle

Nice, thanks for the clarification Gina!

Kuratius

Shouldn't the tooltip say that it now deals oblivion damage, if it ignores mitigation?

Fennwitty

Kuratius wrote: »

Shouldn't the tooltip say that it now deals oblivion damage, if it ignores mitigation?

Then it wouldn't be boosted by +Frost damage.

AdamLAD

Ignores mitigation ? Clarify what you class as mitigation? Resistance? Percentage based reductions ?

Kinkysaurus

Has anyone been able to try it out since PTS went live? I went into cyro and it was a ghost town in there. I've been queued for a BG for awhile too just so I can report some changes to my guild.

Reverb

Odd choice for a quick Live patch. I’d much rather have seen Dark Convergence addressed than Hrothgarr nerfed. Both need to have been adjusted, but the radius on DarkCon is totally busted, and pulling people off walls and through doors really needs fixed soon.

endorphinsplox

That's not a very good change imo. In the end the set doesn't punish tank builds as much as it punishes groups who run with a tank beside them. Why wouldn't you have 26% damage on the initial target and halved damage in the AOE? Why the hell should I be punished for someone else's choice to abuse resistance stacking?

Kuratius

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858792827907342356/889849600654061638/OJvw6a5eAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png

It is overall a nerf to the power of the set. I don't really pvp, and the "before" curve could be higher due to pen, but this is what modeling it naively gives you. I didn't continue the curve past the armor cap though I assume it does continue to scale beyond 33k, it'd just be a straight line instead of a parabola like with the "before" case. After the armor cap, the graphs for "before" and "now" would be identical anyways.

I'm still confused how some people were able to get 28k+ procs out of this set. Was it already ignoring armor back then? It shouldn't have been, else that wouldn't have made it into the patch notes. Edit: Maybe cleave hits with lots of pen and a 40k+ armor tank as the main target? But that would still require lots of cp bonuses and buffs/passives to get that high.

I assume the reason they didn't make it "proper" oblivion damage was to allow battlespirit to affect it, but that doesn't really solve anything about it since there is no point to using it in pve. It just makes it more difficult for players to gauge the power of the set.

ResidentContrarian

"Stealth nerf" players had to have known these sets were going to be nerfed eventually and that they were performing far more effective than intended. How can anyone really be surprised?

StihlReign

The set's nerf is effective. It's no longer worth using in pvp. Not certain how effective it was in pve, but the changes have killed it's effectiveness in damaging large groups and modifying large group fight behavior.

StihlReign

Reverb wrote: »

Odd choice for a quick Live patch. I’d much rather have seen Dark Convergence addressed than Hrothgarr nerfed. Both need to have been adjusted, but the radius on DarkCon is totally busted, and pulling people off walls and through doors really needs fixed soon.

Yea, this decision was really interesting - the Dark Con pulls into space have really killed siege activity in PvP...it's surprising, those weren't the subject of an immediate hotfix.

YandereGirlfriend

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

"Stealth nerf" players had to have known these sets were going to be nerfed eventually and that they were performing far more effective than intended. How can anyone really be surprised?

The term doesn't have anything to do with whether or not a nerf was expected - only the way that it was introduced.

No patch notes or comments, just quietly patching it into the live game is the definition of stealth nerf.