How much DPS is enough for...

kypranb14_ESO

How much DPS is enough for me to queue as DPS in Random Veteran Dungeon Finder?

I'm genuinely curious, as I pull 25-30k self buffed on 3m dummy, and I have been kicked from several dungeons without explanation.

For a point of comparison, my wife does 7-11k DPS self buffed on the same dummy, and has never been kicked.

We both know mechanics as well.

Mostly interested in hearing a suggested number, and I welcome your own experiences in the Veteran queue as well!

Franchise408

25k-30k is enough for any vet dungeon. You're good.

I can't elaborate on why people may have kicked you, as I wasn't there.

Perhaps it's because there are many people who believe you *need* to be pulling 70k minimum.

But 70k DPS is not necessary even for vet DLC trials. You can clear vet DLC trials with 30k-40k DPS. You might not get trifectas, but you'll clear.

25k-30k is about what I pull as well in vet DLC dungeons, and I've never had much problem with burn.

SimonThesis

You're DPS is a little low. I'd recommend at least 50k Dps on a 21M dummy. I would recommend going to craglorn and finding pugs doing nCR to get Siroria and going to nMaelstrom Arena to get a Mealstrom Inferno Destro. A teaching Trials guild will help a ton too. Having proper pve sets will be a good bump to your dps. Unfortunately, the higher the DPS the faster the burn and a lot of people in this world are not patient especially on randoms.

Artim_X

Imo your dps is fine, but only if your rotation is something you can consistently do on demand in an actual fight.

Pevey

SimonThesis wrote: »

You're DPS is a little low. I'd recommend at least 50k Dps on a 21M dummy. I would recommend going to craglorn and finding pugs doing nCR to get Siroria and going to nMaelstrom Arena to get a Mealstrom Inferno Destro. A teaching Trials guild will help a ton too. Having proper pve sets will be a good bump to your dps. Unfortunately, the higher the DPS the faster the burn and a lot of people in this world are not patient especially on randoms.

25-30k self-buffed is almost certainly going to translate to more than 50k on the trial dummy. It depends on the build.

tmbrinks

SimonThesis wrote: »

You're DPS is a little low. I'd recommend at least 50k Dps on a 21M dummy. I would recommend going to craglorn and finding pugs doing nCR to get Siroria and going to nMaelstrom Arena to get a Mealstrom Inferno Destro. A teaching Trials guild will help a ton too. Having proper pve sets will be a good bump to your dps. Unfortunately, the higher the DPS the faster the burn and a lot of people in this world are not patient especially on randoms.

the 25k on the 3m dummy (which they clearly said they were doing it on) would translate to very close to 50k on the 21m dummy.

Bjond

SimonThesis wrote: »

You're DPS is a little low.

IMHO, it's average for single target on a random vet dungeon. If he's being kicked, it's likely something other than DPS, (eg: our static 4th just logged in). I generally don't worry about DPS in a random vet until the party total dips below 50k. Some, like Dread Cellar, can be incredibly easy with very high party dps (100k+) and absurdly hard with lower (3Hs of endless wipes harder ><) even if you do know the mechs.

Typical kick for me = client crashed. If you DC even for 10s, someone will instantly put up a kick vote. I did get a "not enough DPS" kick once. It was weird. I was parsing 65% of party dps and the guy starting ranting about how 2H sucked and how I should be using DW. Then ranted about how I need to weave (I was wearing Kinras, you can see the weave on peeps who wear that). Then told me I shouldn't do veteran until I could parse 90K and put up a kick.

Truly sad part about that is the guy said he was on his kids character to help it get some achieves. So, now his kid is on my ignore list with the roughly 5 other outrageously obnoxious ranters I've run into in ESO.

Lumsdenml

25-30k actual dps (as in during fights and not on a dummy) is perfectly enough. That is what I do and have no issues. Now if you are doing 25-30k on the dummy and 10k in actual fights, that could be an issue.

KovalskyNestor

I did almost all vet dungeons with 25-30k dps and it was fine. Not to mention that I managed to do a lot of harder achievements like hm, no death run and speed run. A lot of these runs were done with random people too. I managed to get here and there few tanks who would just straight up leave because the other dps was a bit low but overall it wasn't too bad.

Kel

The original Craglorn trials were tuned for about 15k dps.

25/30k for vet dungeons are more than enough.

karekiz

15K can literally do all classic and some older DLC.

20-25 is good enough for modern DLC. I have ran 35-40 min DLC runs with roughly 40K Group DPS.

Vevvev

20k DPS on a normal dummy and about 30-40k on a trial dummy. You sound like you're okay for it, OP.

joseayalac

The standard for DPS parsing is the 21M dummy since it gives buffs and all. Thats the point of comparison when people talk about their DPS.

daim

And then people are whining why some people would just want to solo

Thoragaal

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

How much DPS is enough for me to queue as DPS in Random Veteran Dungeon Finder?

I'm genuinely curious, as I pull 25-30k self buffed on 3m dummy, and I have been kicked from several dungeons without explanation.

For a point of comparison, my wife does 7-11k DPS self buffed on the same dummy, and has never been kicked.

We both know mechanics as well.

Mostly interested in hearing a suggested number, and I welcome your own experiences in the Veteran queue as well!

It's impossible to tell why they are kicking you (your DPS is fine). And comparing with your wife means nothing, since you're both in different groups and therefore have different conditions and thus different reasons for why one person is kicked / another isn't.
If you're Not playing seperately, I have to wonder why your wife agrees to kick you from the group

Amottica

Franchise408 wrote: »

25k-30k is enough for any vet dungeon. You're good.

I can't elaborate on why people may have kicked you, as I wasn't there.

Perhaps it's because there are many people who believe you *need* to be pulling 70k minimum.

But 70k DPS is not necessary even for vet DLC trials. You can clear vet DLC trials with 30k-40k DPS. You might not get trifectas, but you'll clear.

25k-30k is about what I pull as well in vet DLC dungeons, and I've never had much problem with burn.

I agree with this comment. However, some players want more just because they want more. I see it as we can queue for a random group or we can form our own if we want that more. Those that I run with only kick players if they are jerks. We have gotten players with low DPS and did just fine. The only issue is if a player has problems recognizing and reacting to mechanics.

anitajoneb17_ESO

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm genuinely curious, as I pull 25-30k self buffed on 3m dummy, and I have been kicked from several dungeons without explanation.

While it is generally a good attitude in life to put oneself in question in order to improve, I would not recommend it when it comes to PUGs in ESO. It's random. People come with all kinds of expectations, from highest to lowest, from friendly to conflictual, from anything to totally unrealistic.
In my experience, many PU groups are made of nice people who do the best with what and who is there.
But sometimes not.

Don't worry about why you've been kicked (your DPS is fine). It could be anything, related to you and totally unrelated to you. Like cat's walking on the keyboard.
The positive part in your experience is the "without explanation". Believe me, when people are jerks and think you're bad, they whisper it to you on top of kicking you.
Also, don't think that because you've been kicked, it means that 3 people took the time to think about it and approve of it. It just means that 1 person hit the key and 2 other followed without even giving it a thought.

Don't make yourself a headache out of it.

Viyvos

I am pretty sure you can clear every vet dungeon in the game with 20k dps on the boss.

Hlaaluna

I can' add much more that what has already been suggested, but in your shoes, I'd join a guild and do runs with them and ask for constructive criticism. It could be that there is nothing wrong you are doing, but on the other hand if there is something going on that the PUGs have not pointed out, hopefully someone will kindly point it out.

PUGs can be incredibly selfish runs and as someone else already said, if just one person pushes the kick button, other may mindlessly agree to it.

Ippokrates

Well, 30k on 3k would be around 50k on trial, as long as you can keep sustain - these days it could be a problem ;p

So maybe it was something else, like pulling aggro or using CC or generally bad positioning?

ErMurazor

Low CP maybe?

Grandchamp1989

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

How much DPS is enough for me to queue as DPS in Random Veteran Dungeon Finder?

I'm genuinely curious, as I pull 25-30k self buffed on 3m dummy, and I have been kicked from several dungeons without explanation.

For a point of comparison, my wife does 7-11k DPS self buffed on the same dummy, and has never been kicked.

We both know mechanics as well.

Mostly interested in hearing a suggested number, and I welcome your own experiences in the Veteran queue as well!

25-30k on the 3 mill is perfectly acceptable for random vet but not enough to comfortably carry the other DD if they are underperforming.

People usually look at the combined dps of the group and if it is too low people may start to randomly kick.
Keep in mind they dont know if you are doing 80% of the dmg, they just know the combined dps is low.

This is why it Can be very frustrating to que as dps and having to carry the other dps because people look at your combined dps and may Think you both are “meh”

So it may be that you have gotten unlucky having to carry a few too Many DDs who arent really good enough for vet.

Other than dps it may be problems with following the mechs of the dungeon.

But 25-30k on the 3 mill is perfectly fine dps numbers.

Bjond

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

don't think that because you've been kicked, it means that 3 people took the time to think about it and approve of it. It just means that 1 person hit the key and 2 other followed without even giving it a thought

This is very true. We had 3 guildies and a pugrump. We were discussing kicking in discord with the general consensus being we should help instead when the grump put up a kick vote for a guidie and we all voted YES reflexively, thinking it was a kick FROM a guidie that got fed up.

I really REALLY hate the way those yes/no things pop-up and slap you in the face. People swat the most handy key as fast as possible just to get rid of them.

Larcomar

As other's have said, you're fine. I usually test on the little dummy as it's a better test of what you're likely to encounter in a random group than the trial dummy which is sort of perfect conditions. As long as I'm at 30k, I think my toon is vet ready - though as someon said above, that's you carrying your weight - not carrying the second dps if they're sub par.

The other thing to look at is - if you have combat metrics - what you're percentage of group damage is on the first few bosses. I remember reading way back that as dps, you shd be doing 40%. Seemed reasonable. I usually found that, at that sort of damage, I'd be a little under if it was a high CP group, a little over if the other dps was my kind of cp.

I don't think I ever got kicked while I was running vet pledges though a) note I was base game so not running DLCs. You'd need to know mechanics there. b) I certainly had a couple of groups with a whiny "my necro does 60k and I think that's low" type. Both times though the rest of the group invited him to leave and go and procreate with one of his relatives.

If you are getting kicked and it's not that, my guess is you just had the misfortune to run into a group of elitist, super high cp dummy humping types. 30k is absolutely fine for vets, but there are people out there who don't want fine, they want super and if you're not up to their rarified standards they're going to kick you. Just read the forums. Honestly, I think you're better off getting kicked

pklemming

I usually recommend 40-50k on the dps. I wouldn't kick people if they were down to 25k. Under that and I would be asking why they are queuing for vet when some DLC dungeons have a damage requirement (2nd boss shield on vMF, for example).

I have been on tank and had people doing 6-10k in a vet random. I will normally chat to them, rather than kick, though.

lolo_01b16_ESO

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Also, don't think that because you've been kicked, it means that 3 people took the time to think about it and approve of it. It just means that 1 person hit the key and 2 other followed without even giving it a thought.

Also, an important thing to keep in mind: The key to confirm a ready check is the same key that agrees to a votekick.
So if I'm standing in front of a boss, ready to fight it and a message pops up on my screen, it's very likely that I'll press accept before I notice that this was no ready check.

drunkendx

ErMurazor wrote: »

Low CP maybe?

Seems like it.

Itoq

Additionally, I sometimes run into dps who have decent single target dps but struggle doing enough damage when adds come in (or vise versa.)

Or some do great with adds or some bosses but don't keep up a good rotation when mechs or big incoming damage starts.

SirAndy

karekiz wrote: »

15K can literally do all classic and some older DLC. 20-25 is good enough for modern DLC.

15k is enough. At 25k+ you can carry a random pug through pretty much any base vet dungeon.

kypranb14_ESO

Artim_X wrote: »

Imo your dps is fine, but only if your rotation is something you can consistently do on demand in an actual fight.

My rotation is extremely easy to pull off. I always light attack weave as well.

Front Bar: DPS
- Purifying Light every 6s with priority over following abilities.
- Solar Barrage every 10s.
- Blazing Spear every 10s.
- Puncturing Sweep every second none of the previous abilities need to be casted on.
- Inner Light (Slotted for simplified/cheap Major Prophecy.)

Backbar: Healing
- Illustrious Spring every 10s unless it needs to be repositioned.
- Energy Orb
- Ritual of Rebirth
- Restoring Focus (I like the stamina restore, and I don't need anymore magicka restore.)
- Extended Ritual

I always light attack weave, I have 1500+ CP, I don't stand in stupid I get Major Sorcery, Minor Sorcery, Major Prophecy from my gear/abilities, and I only start healing if our healer dies. I have unlimited sustain just using trash potions.

So it seems the people saying it's kind of random, like a 4th joining may be right. *shrugs*

TwinLamps

...12 dps