BalticBlues wrote: »Is PvP going completely going down the drain lately?
SirLeeMinion wrote: »
On the bright side, I've noticed apparent TTK (my Time To realize I've been Killed) has increased with this patch! Just last night, I went through a keep door and was insta-popped by the usual culprits. BUT, I didn't know it for quite a while due to lag. So, that's good, right?
I play since beta -all classes and playstyles- and enjoyed it so far, even in the wildest phases.Veinblood1965 wrote: »This is post 1,500,684 regarding PVP going downhill. You win the prize!
Yes lately.Lately?
PvP has always been down the drain.
You can’t have 1vX and healthy pvp. It is a clear indication that there is a hyper meta.
People don’t mind meta, but they need counter meta, alternate builds and strategies, and they a need skill range that doesn’t just slap casuals in the face.
I enjoy hyper sweaty dueling, I even support being able to 1V2 people, but being to consistently kite and survive and kill 1vX is laughable.
Combine that with the fake-meaningful choices phenomen… so everyone Needs to be super bursts and sustain / mitigation is just silly.
Until this game takes serious steps to actually create roles and different ways to kill people (not just cc-burst), pvp will always be a joke.
It’s basically counterstrike where your health total resets in 3-4 seconds.
I find that the people who complain don't know what's happening or haven't played pvp for a long time
[...] People don’t mind meta, but they need counter meta, alternate builds and strategies [...].
BalticBlues wrote: »About three years ago, you could play successfully almost anything in Cyro.
Then since about two years ago, you only can successfully play non-pet builds.
Then since about one year ago, you only can successfully play Stamina builds (except bombers).
And lately you mostly just meet Bombers, DarkConvergence, Hrothgar.
UntilValhalla13 wrote: »They did say that they're tweaking dark convergence on the stream, for what that's worth.
Well, one YouTube streamer. Gilliam the Rogue.BalticBlues wrote: »ZOS, HELLO? Have YouTube Streamers finally taken control over PvP development?
Alcast. <cough>BalticBlues wrote: »About three years ago, you could play successfully almost anything in Cyro.
Then since about two years ago, you only can successfully play non-pet builds.
Then since about one year ago, you only can successfully play Stamina builds (except bombers).
And lately you mostly just meet Bombers, DarkConvergence, Hrothgar.
What were the biggest or worst changes before the latest proc sets?
I checked some pvp builds on alcasthq and they feel really weird - nobody would run anything like those today.
I have no idea why they are so hell-bent on "play as you want". A class is a class. They would have to turn this game into New World - only weapon skills, no classes - for you to experience everything on a single character. The magicka / stamina divide added variety. Next thing they'll give Streak and Cloak to every class. Noooo.Considering the homogenization of classes.
I disagree. I agree in so far as the hyper meta may be a specific, tanky stamden or stamcro build, stronger than other classes. On the other hand look at chess. A game that is perfectly balanced, but that has a high skill ceiling. You get the same effect. You get 1v20 in chess. A grandmaster will simultaneously play 20 lesser-rated players and the expectation is that those lesser players lose. If you draw, that's an achievement. I have no issues with a game that features 1vX due to a high skill-ceiling. In fact, I think that's an indication of a good game, a game that may be worth sinking your teeth into and that has staying power. Whether that's what ZOS would ever shoot for ... I doubt it. Their avowed aim has been to lower the skill gap. They aim to provide new cheap thrills for a more casual audience every patch.You can’t have 1vX and healthy pvp. It is a clear indication that there is a hyper meta.
BalticBlues wrote: »Is PvP going completely going down the drain lately?
PvP people are fed up about GETTING BOMBED.
PvP people are fed up about GETTING DARK CONVERGED.
PvP people are fed up not knowing if GEAR BONUS IS WORKING OR NOT.
ZOS, what are you doing to the game lately? Each patch brings new PvP grievances.
All of this feels more like WILD EXPERIMENTING instead of consolidating.
Do you know ANY serious game where every 3 month new rules turn the game upside down?
I was making the point that 1vXs can happen for two entirely different reasons: