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After years of trying to combat a tank meta, a new CP star is added that gives a unique UP TO 20% mitigation boost
Flare provides passive major protection
battle spirit gets 11% more mitigation
wat
Flare provides passive major protection
battle spirit gets 11% more mitigation
wat
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DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭After years of trying to combat a tank meta, a new CP star is added that gives a unique UP TO 20% mitigation boost
Flare provides passive major protection
battle spirit gets 11% more mitigation
wat
Math nerds day battle spirit ends up being a 22% damage reduction.I drink and I stream things.0 -
Kusto✭✭✭✭✭I'm gonna make unkillable tank when these go live. There has been pretty hard to kill tanks before or even unkillable for some but with all the new changes and certain sets you can make a truly unkillable one. I'll build everything into mitigation and survivability. I cant kill anyone most likely but it's ok. I'm just gonna troll people in Cyro for lul's. Ty Zos.0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm gonna make unkillable tank when these go live. There has been pretty hard to kill tanks before or even unkillable for some but with all the new changes and certain sets you can make a truly unkillable one. I'll build everything into mitigation and survivability. I cant kill anyone most likely but it's ok. I'm just gonna troll people in Cyro for lul's. Ty Zos.
There are people already doing this.I drink and I stream things.0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
The math nerds in another post did the calculations. Basically if you increase battle spirit by x amount is actually translates to a greater number. So raising it to 60% ends up translating to 22% less damage in game.I drink and I stream things.0 -
ExistingRug61✭✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
I’ve seen the 22% thrown around a bit in other discussions but never actually backed up by how it was calculated, and now that I calculate it myself it doesn’t seem quite right, unless there is something I am overlooking.
As I see it, it should be as follows:
On live battle spirit is at 44% mitigation.
So you took 1-0.44=0.56 of the damage.
On pts battle spirit is at 55% mitigation.
So you take 1-0.55=0.45 of the damage.
As such the you now take 0.45/0.56=0.8036 of the damage under the change as you would have prior to the change.
This is the equivalent of an additional
1-0.8036=0.1964 or 19.64% mitigation,
Ie: an attack that would have dealt 10k damage to you on live will now deal 8.036 damage to you on pts.
[edit fixed a typo where I missed had 56 instead of 0.56 (still had the correct result though)]Edited by ExistingRug61 on July 17, 2021 3:44AM1 -
sabresandiego_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭ExistingRug61 wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
I’ve seen the 22% thrown around a bit in other discussions but never actually backed up by how it was calculated, and now that I calculate it myself it doesn’t seem quite right, unless there is something I am overlooking.
As I see it, it should be as follows:
On live battle spirit is at 44% mitigation.
So you took 1-0.44=0.56 of the damage.
On pts battle spirit is at 55% mitigation.
So you take 1-0.55=0.45 of the damage.
As such the you now take 0.45/56=0.8036 of the damage under the change as you would have prior to the change.
This is the equivalent of an additional
1-0.8036=0.1964 or 19.64% mitigation,
Ie: an attack that would have dealt 10k damage to you on live will now deal 8.036 damage to you on pts.
This math is a lot better than the math for 22% where they likely just did 55-44 = 11 and then doubled it to 22
Either way though we are looking at about 20% more tankynessAli Dreadsabre -Necromancer
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Jameson18✭✭✭✭✭I'm gonna make unkillable tank when these go live. There has been pretty hard to kill tanks before or even unkillable for some but with all the new changes and certain sets you can make a truly unkillable one. I'll build everything into mitigation and survivability. I cant kill anyone most likely but it's ok. I'm just gonna troll people in Cyro for lul's. Ty Zos.
Definitely already a thing.0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭ExistingRug61 wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
I’ve seen the 22% thrown around a bit in other discussions but never actually backed up by how it was calculated, and now that I calculate it myself it doesn’t seem quite right, unless there is something I am overlooking.
As I see it, it should be as follows:
On live battle spirit is at 44% mitigation.
So you took 1-0.44=0.56 of the damage.
On pts battle spirit is at 55% mitigation.
So you take 1-0.55=0.45 of the damage.
As such the you now take 0.45/56=0.8036 of the damage under the change as you would have prior to the change.
This is the equivalent of an additional
1-0.8036=0.1964 or 19.64% mitigation,
Ie: an attack that would have dealt 10k damage to you on live will now deal 8.036 damage to you on pts.
~20% is still too much.I drink and I stream things.0 -
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✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
It actually represents the percentage difference between your own damage done now and your damage done in the next patch.
I.e. a 10k tooltip right now will translate 6.6k on live after battlespirit. Under the proposed changes this tooltip becomes 4.5k. the difference between the net of these 2 tooltips is roughly 20%.2 -
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✭Don’t forget. They just added a 10% direct damage mit cp. If slotted, this will drop another 10% mit players’ way.
This is out of hand. This patch wasn’t bad. Maybe BS needed to be buffed by 10% (50%) before they added all this mit. No one will die next patch.Wuuffyy,
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✭You guys see that Cartoon Wars episode of South Park where they reveal the writers of family guy are whales pushing balls through hoops?
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ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭As such the you now take 0.45/56=0.8036 of the damage
Where does that part come from?0 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »TheEndBringer wrote: »
Can you explain the 22% please?
It actually represents the percentage difference between your own damage done now and your damage done in the next patch.
I.e. a 10k tooltip right now will translate 6.6k on live after battlespirit. Under the proposed changes this tooltip becomes 4.5k. the difference between the net of these 2 tooltips is roughly 20%.
Ah that makes sense. Thank you!0 -
JayKwellen✭✭✭✭✭So now that defensive sets are no longer necessary (rip Pariah sellers), what are y'all gonna run?
I've always wanted to try backbarring voidcaller. Don't know why, just weirdly intrigued by it. It's probably awful but whatever. Not like I'll have to worry about dying from making bad decisions. I'm gonna stay in 5 light but throw on ironclad just for good measure. Maybe I'll even put VD back on.
It's gonna be great. Im bout to be so much absurdly more tanky while still getting to run 3 damage sets in light armor. I'll just kite around and heard a big group up like I do now, which will now also be far easier than it currently is, then drop a 500 balorg colossus/graveyard. Pop the squishes (relatively speaking) for VD procs and then off to the next.
Hmm. Now that I think about it, the whole kite-burst-repeat playstyle with high mitigation and high healing sounds oddly familiar. Am I having deja-vu? How strange. Oh well, thank god the developers spent all that time trying to lessen the tank meta. Can't wait for the new tank meta!Edited by JayKwellen on July 17, 2021 3:38AM1 -
ExistingRug61✭✭✭✭ketsparrowhawk wrote: »As such the you now take 0.45/56=0.8036 of the damage
Where does that part come from?
Sorry I had a typo, it should have been 0.45/0.56=0.8036
Anyway, the 0.45, or 45%, is the amount of damage taken after battle spirit under the new battle spirit mitigation of 55% (100-55=45).
The 0.56, or 56%, is the amount of damage taken after battle spirit with the old mitigation amount of 44% (100-44=55).
So then calculating the ratio of these ie: new damage/previous damage tells us how much the change has affected our damage taken, relative to the original value.
So this is 0.45/0.56 = 0.8036, or 80.36%.
So under the change we take 80.36% of the damage we would have previously, or the equivalent of an extra 19.64% mitigation.
Here’s another way of looking at it:
Say on live you get hit for 10k. This means that before battle spirit, the attack would have done 10k*1/(1-0.44) =17.86k.
Take that same attack and apply the new battle spirit mitigation to it, so 17.86k*(1-0.55) = 8.036k
So what would previously been a 10k hit is now a 8.036k hit (ie, 80.36% of the original 10k, or a reduction of 19.64%).
(These are actually the same calculation of the ratio or relative change, just presented slightly differently and the first skips a couple of steps)Edited by ExistingRug61 on July 17, 2021 4:01AM1 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭ExistingRug61 wrote: »ketsparrowhawk wrote: »As such the you now take 0.45/56=0.8036 of the damage
Where does that part come from?
Sorry I had a typo, it should have been 0.45/0.56=0.8036
Anyway, the 0.45, or 45%, is the amount of damage taken after battle spirit under the new battle spirit mitigation of 55% (100-55=45).
The 0.56, or 56%, is the amount of damage taken after battle spirit with the old mitigation amount of 44% (100-44=55).
So then calculating the ratio of these ie: new damage/previous damage tells us how much the change has affected our damage taken, relative to the original value.
So this is 0.45/0.56 = 0.8036, or 80.36%.
So under the change we take 80.36% of the damage we would have previously, or the equivalent of an extra 19.64% mitigation.
Here’s another way of looking at it:
Say on live you get hit for 10k. This means that before battle spirit, the attack would have done 10k*1/(1-0.44) =17.86k.
Take that same attack and apply the new battle spirit mitigation to it, so 17.86k*(1-0.55) = 8.036k
So what would previously been a 10k hit is now a 8.036k hit (ie, 80.36% of the original 10k, or a reduction of 19.64%).
(These are actually the same calculation of the ratio or relative change, just presented slightly differently and the first skips a couple of steps)
That clears it up. Thanks!0