Endeavors - Dreugh don't count as Beasts for "kill 10 Beasts"

Ratzkifal

Dreugh are for all intents and purposes beasts, even if there is lore about the Dreugh supposedly ruling a previous/adjacent version of Tamriel or intelligent Dreugh living at the bottom of the sea, but even those source don't deny that they are beasts now (or just when they go on land for mating).

Accordingly, they should count towards your endeavor to kill beasts.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

(I was in Stonefalls, at Vivec's Antlers trying to kill Dreugh for the Endeavor but didn't get any progress on it.)

Edit4: Nix-hounds, Mudcrabs, Netches, Guars, Spiders don't count either in Stonefalls.
I have now moved to Deshaan and there Wasps, Mudcrabs, Giant Snakes and Kagouti don't count. Bog Rats in Deshaan do count! I will expand this list as I come across more cases.
Edit 5: Across multiple zones only mammals count as "beasts", however trolls don't count as beasts either and they have fur!
Edit 6: Salamanders do not count towards it either, even though they drop Foul Hide. I was sure the Foul Hide was the actual condition behind it, but apparently not. This is a complete mess!

Lugaldu

I find it convincing that they are crustaceans, when you kill them you get fish.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/580729/apparently-dreugh-are-not-insectoids#latest

Ratzkifal

Lugaldu wrote: »

I find it convincing that they are crustaceans, when you kill them you get fish.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/580729/apparently-dreugh-are-not-insectoids#latest

Yes, crustaceans, but crustaceans are beasts too, are they not? Not insectoids but beasts. As I understand, any dangerous animal is a "beast".

Lugaldu

I suspect that "beasts" really only means mammals in this case.

Ratzkifal

Lugaldu wrote: »

I suspect that "beasts" really only means mammals in this case.

Then they should write that instead of using "beast". The Tamriel Beast Collector achievement lists several nonmammals too and there the word Beast is clearly used to describe all of them.

Luke_Flamesword

It's really misleading task - for me almost every monster is a beast. I killed bunch of Summerset ugly creatures but not even one of them was a beast apparently

It's just stupid trying to guess what devs have in mind. Just make tasks more specific like "kill 5 trolls"

Ratzkifal

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

It's really misleading task - for me almost every monster is a beast. I killed bunch of Summerset ugly creatures but not even one of them was a beast apparently

It's just stupid trying to guess what devs have in mind. Just make tasks more specific like "kill 5 trolls"

Agreed. Or they could just say "creatures with pelts", considering categories like "mammals" are kind of hard to place upon fictional beasts. Are Guars and Kagouti reptiles or are they technically birds because they are warm-blooded like the Dinosaurs? Who knows! But if the "Tamriel BEAST Collector" achievement includes several nonmammals, they should not call this endeavor "kill 10 beasts".

TwinLamps

lol

jle30303

I've been killing things all over Morrowind and haven't succeeded in getting a single one that classifies as a Beast.

Guar? Alit? Kagouti? Cliff Strider? Mudcrab? Netch? Spider? Dreugh? None of them count.

As far as I'm concerned *all* of those should be called Beasts.

So, more to the point, what IS a "beast"? Can somebody post something that DID count for the achievement?

Ratzkifal

jle30303 wrote: »

I've been killing things all over Morrowind and haven't succeeded in getting a single one that classifies as a Beast.

Guar? Alit? Kagouti? Cliff Strider? Mudcrab? Netch? Spider? Dreugh? None of them count.

As far as I'm concerned *all* of those should be called Beasts.

So, more to the point, what IS a "beast"? Can somebody post something that DID count for the achievement?

Bog Rats in Deshaan, sabercats and bears in Skyrim, Bristlebacks in Southern Elsweyr.
So basically only mammals that aren't also fantasy creatures (like trolls, who are clearly mammals but don't count).

Luke_Flamesword

Bog Rats in Deshaan, sabercats and bears in Skyrim, Bristlebacks in Southern Elsweyr.
So basically only mammals that aren't also fantasy creatures (like trolls, who are clearly mammals but don't count).

Lol, I killed crocodile and this doesn't count, so wild animal like bears and sabercats are beast, but crocodiles not. It's almost so logical as new patch balancing changes

Ratzkifal

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

Bog Rats in Deshaan, sabercats and bears in Skyrim, Bristlebacks in Southern Elsweyr.
So basically only mammals that aren't also fantasy creatures (like trolls, who are clearly mammals but don't count).

Lol, I killed crocodile and this doesn't count, so wild animal like bears and sabercats are beast, but crocodiles not. It's almost so logical as new patch balancing changes

Sadly I am done with my endeavors today, but killing giant bats, werewolves and imps could be interesting to check if they are considered beasts. My guess is bats are beasts but imps aren't. Werewolves could be either.

Lugaldu

In Hew´s Bane are a lot of lions and a lot of resource nods, it was easy to complete today´s tasks there.

katanagirl1

They seem to be following this convention for the Endeavors:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Nature_Slayer

Ratzkifal

katanagirl1 wrote: »

They seem to be following this convention for the Endeavors:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Nature_Slayer

That seems to be the case indeed.
Weirdly this achievement is more intuitive with what a "beast" should be.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Tamriel_Beast_Collector

FrancisCrawford

Also addressed in https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7330206#Comment_7330206