Give me a mDK pvp build!

Alucardo

To give you an idea how long it has been since I last played mDK, we used SnB and spammed bat ulti. That long. It's very rare I come across a mDK in pvp these days, so I have no idea what you guys are running. If you look up dk builds all you see is stamina.
So, what's a decent mDK build for small scale/solo play?

Thanks in advance!

Bashev

I can assure you that 99% of the builds that people will give you will work better on another class.

Alucardo

Bashev wrote: »

I can assure you that 99% of the builds that people will give you will work better on another class.

Is that a poke at how bad mdk is? xD

WaltherCarraway

Gaze of potato
Pariah
Draugrkin
vma resto

Vanzen

Thunderbug/Overwhelming/Grothdar in BG ...

NB Killing machine

MrMazurski

One of the basic sets you always consider is Burning Spellweave. Recently I mixed it with Pariah and it came out not even a nice set up.

Alucardo

MrMazurski wrote: »

One of the basic sets you always consider is Burning Spellweave. Recently I mixed it with Pariah and it came out not even a nice set up.

Oh yes, BSW and Pariah sounds nice.

Vanzen wrote: »

Thunderbug/Overwhelming/Grothdar in BG ...

NB Killing machine

I would assume NBs could delete you almost instantly with that build.

Noldornir

Alucardo wrote: »

To give you an idea how long it has been since I last played mDK, we used SnB and spammed bat ulti. That long. It's very rare I come across a mDK in pvp these days, so I have no idea what you guys are running. If you look up dk builds all you see is stamina.
So, what's a decent mDK build for small scale/solo play?

Thanks in advance!

I use:

1x Spinner 2h Maul (frontbar, for extra pen since all your skills are meelee)
1x Vateshran Staff (backbar)

Spinner Waist+1 ring+Necklace

Eternal Vigor gloves/chest/legs/Shoulder/shoes

Helm= any, depending on what you want (max mag, spellpwr, pen etc.)

Band of Malacath brutality as mythic item (last ring)

All armor trait= impen, can use reinforced on chest and legs

Jewel traits= all infused+spell damage

Mundus= Atronach

Skills setup=

Backbar=

Ele drain, Talons, Dragon Blood, Cauterize, Spikes (the damaging morph) | Magma Armor

Frontbar=

Whip, Claw, Engulfing, Degeneration/Igneous weapons (i change depending if solo/teamlpay), Pietrify | Leap


Magma is used very rarely tbh i just use it when 1vx and opponents not so good (they dont realize i'm not getting damage and get offenive as they see me alone, will not work vs smart PvPer, you might swap to undo/barrier/meteor for passive benefits as you should 100% use leap)

the1andonlyskwex

I'm no PvP god or anything, but my Shalk/Lich/Slimecraw DPS/Healer hybrid setup works way better in BGs than I ever expected.

paulychan

I'm running bsw dual/resto, pariah, 1pc swarm, mband

paulychan

2h might be more pen as stated above. I should try it out

gariondavey

Grothdar, elfbane body, willpower rings, master fire destro front bar, asylum 1h+s back bar

Claw, molten, cauterize, coag, flame clench, eye of flame/shifting standard

Burning talons, race against time, 1h+s reflect, molten armaments/mages guild major sorcery, volatile armor, spell wall

Atro stone, sugar skulls, point some points into hp to get around 29k hp, rest in magicka, 2 light (grothdar) 5 heavy, all study, all tri stats enchants, infused sp glyphs, sharpened on fire staff with berserker enchant, defending + sturdy back bar with double dot poison.

You can get by with low regen with asylum 1h+s to give you huge magicka back. You have 75 percent mitigation or so when blocking on back bar. Your dots (claw, burning talons, eye of flame/shufting standard) all hit sooooo hard. Dot them up, flame clench into triple stacked whip (I've hit 10k whips in high mmr bgs). Huge healing power with our 6k SD.

This build is insanely fun. Root and burn everyone around you while blocking through the damage.

Pariah bsw mala trainee works too, throw in vate ice backbar

Elfbane fb, bsw bb, grothdar, mala, trainee good too

Balorgh, bsw fb, daedric trickery bb, mala, trainee

Balorgh, pariah body, daedric trickery bb, vate or master destro fb

If you don't run the big write up I did, dots into meteor + fossilize (other morph actually better imo) is devastating

Vevvev

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

gariondavey

Vevvev wrote: »

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

Get bsw for front bar, use clever alchemist on back bar. Then you can have 2 5 pieces, balorgh, ring of pale order, and even add 1 trainee.

Vevvev

gariondavey wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

Get bsw for front bar, use clever alchemist on back bar. Then you can have 2 5 pieces, balorgh, ring of pale order, and even add 1 trainee.

Wait.... What.... Wow. Okay I'm glad I posted here! That's pretty smart, although that means going back to the Burning Spellweave Inferno staff grind... Oh boy lol.

gariondavey

Vevvev wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

Get bsw for front bar, use clever alchemist on back bar. Then you can have 2 5 pieces, balorgh, ring of pale order, and even add 1 trainee.

Wait.... What.... Wow. Okay I'm glad I posted here! That's pretty smart, although that means going back to the Burning Spellweave Inferno staff grind... Oh boy lol.

No need, use 2h sword or maul, or dw swords or maces. Sharpened on 2h/1h swords, can do nirn or sharp on maul/maces. Look at what procs bsw, just fire damage. An enchant will do, or your spells. I'd drop engulfing flames for exhilarating drain for ult gen potentially, given that you don't have a ton of fire damage with vamp spammable. I'd drop the mages guild major prophecy for cauterize - more healing + major prophecy. Lastly, I'd use atro stone over apprentice. Simply more stats.

Edit: I'd also drop the bloodthirsty, although if you really like that I guess that's fine. You can even go 1h+shield front bar and use heroic slash for ult gen instead of engulfing flames.
Use berzerker enchant on resto staff for almost 400 more spell power.

Vevvev

gariondavey wrote: »

I'd drop engulfing flames for exhilarating drain for ult gen potentially, given that you don't have a ton of fire damage with vamp spammable.

I really can't do that. Vampiric Drain is a liability as it can be interrupted, forces me to drop what I'm doing, and Engulfing Flames is how I fight groups of enemies and rip nightblades out of stealth. Of course with the newest update 31 combat preview it seems they'll be adding some kind of immunity on stealth for a short while so they don't instantly get dragged out. I've tried to drop Engulfing Flames ever chance I could but it's just too versatile of a skill for me.

gariondavey

Vevvev wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

I'd drop engulfing flames for exhilarating drain for ult gen potentially, given that you don't have a ton of fire damage with vamp spammable.

I really can't do that. Vampiric Drain is a liability as it can be interrupted, forces me to drop what I'm doing, and Engulfing Flames is how I fight groups of enemies and rip nightblades out of stealth. Of course with the newest update 31 combat preview it seems they'll be adding some kind of immunity on stealth for a short while so they don't instantly get dragged out. I've tried to drop Engulfing Flames ever chance I could but it's just too versatile of a skill for me.

Alright, well the traits and weapon choices and other spell suggestions are still very important then, imo. Also consider putting some more points into hp so you have around 28k if possible. Other than that, kudos for a cool build!

paulychan

is engulfing working for you in pvp land? it hasn't for me for quite a while. just misses or something

sarahthes

I'm a potato but I've had success with Sithis, pariah, heartland. You can do clever instead of heartland. Inferno front, resto back.

Alucardo

paulychan wrote: »

is engulfing working for you in pvp land? it hasn't for me for quite a while. just misses or something

I think AOEs in general are having a hard time. Dawnbreaker and whirlwind both miss even if I'm standing right in front of the player.

Vevvev

gariondavey wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

gariondavey wrote: »

I'd drop engulfing flames for exhilarating drain for ult gen potentially, given that you don't have a ton of fire damage with vamp spammable.

I really can't do that. Vampiric Drain is a liability as it can be interrupted, forces me to drop what I'm doing, and Engulfing Flames is how I fight groups of enemies and rip nightblades out of stealth. Of course with the newest update 31 combat preview it seems they'll be adding some kind of immunity on stealth for a short while so they don't instantly get dragged out. I've tried to drop Engulfing Flames ever chance I could but it's just too versatile of a skill for me.

Alright, well the traits and weapon choices and other spell suggestions are still very important then, imo. Also consider putting some more points into hp so you have around 28k if possible. Other than that, kudos for a cool build!

I'll think about it, and thanks! The HP increase is something I've been considering since I got absolutely shredded by a couple of magBlade gankers and the stamSorc gank lol.

paulychan wrote: »

is engulfing working for you in pvp land? it hasn't for me for quite a while. just misses or something

It works, but like Alucardo point out it's an issue with all AoE attacks. Reason I use it is because sometimes it is the only reliable ability I can use. Whether my foe is untargetable in stealth, the server keeps hickuping when it comes to what is melee range, or I am fighting a zerg and need to hit at least something.

MrMazurski

Vevvev wrote: »

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

I would change the rings from CA to BSW and add a heavy chest and pants for larger resists, even 1 medium for Undanted buff. and you still should have around 10k pen. Do you have everything in Divinies?

If you run in a group then you should put a Band o Brutality.

Main Staff is good to have in Charge for bsw. Then each of your light atack is applied burning. Feels weird without Flame Lash.

MrMazurski

Alucardo wrote: »

paulychan wrote: »

is engulfing working for you in pvp land? it hasn't for me for quite a while. just misses or something

I think AOEs in general are having a hard time. Dawnbreaker and whirlwind both miss even if I'm standing right in front of the player.

True, more funny when enemy are 1 meter from you and your skill "missing" him

Vevvev

MrMazurski wrote: »

Feels weird without Flame Lash.

It really does, but if you play your cards right the Pale Order Ring and Blood for Blood is a great combo for magicka sustain. And if you ended up spending all your magicka on heals to stay alive when you finally go on the offensive you are able to do so. Vampire is such a weird and backwards way of fighting with all the changes to it.

Joy_Division

gariondavey wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

I have a magDK vampire PVP build. It works okay if you're good at dodge rolling and blocking when you need it. Still scratch my head wondering if I should go 2 heavy and 5 light or stick with my 6 light and 1 heavy for magicka sustain reasons.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=289388

Get bsw for front bar, use clever alchemist on back bar. Then you can have 2 5 pieces, balorgh, ring of pale order, and even add 1 trainee.

I like this idea. I think aggressive and offensive DK is a strong opponent; you'll surprise people used to stall tanks and when both sets are up, your whips will melt people.

Stx

Engulfing flames boosts fire damage by 10%.. that's your talons, claw, whip, standard plus whatever else. How can you drop that from your build?

Stx

Has anyone tried running void bash on backbar for high uptime on major maim?

gariondavey

Stx wrote: »

Engulfing flames boosts fire damage by 10%.. that's your talons, claw, whip, standard plus whatever else. How can you drop that from your build?

if that was directed at me with my grothdar elfbane write-up, the reason is i don't have bar space for it due to using asylum 1h+s as my sustain for the build. if i didn't have that, i would be running engulfing in that spot

VixxVexx

Some misinformation and eyebrow-raising suggestions in here.

1. Don't go sithis on magdk, block mitigation is key. Still go malacath in mostly heavy.
2. Balorg, bloodspawn or maybe encratis as a monster set.
3. Fire staff (all staves) light attacks are magic damage, so only the fire enchant, sets, and abilities can proc burning.
4. BSW front is okay, but cba juggling that with berserk enchant uptime.
5. Pariah, clever or trickery backbar is good.
6. Resto backbar for groups, bgs and dueling. S&b for solo.
7. Go at least 30k health, max magicka isn't worth it anymore.
8. Breton > dunmer > everything else
9. Sharpened > charged atm
10. Vampire optional.

gariondavey

VixxVexx wrote: »

Some misinformation and eyebrow-raising suggestions in here.

1. Don't go sithis on magdk, block mitigation is key. Still go malacath in mostly heavy.
2. Balorg, bloodspawn or maybe encratis as a monster set.
3. Fire staff (all staves) light attacks are magic damage, so only the fire enchant, sets, and abilities can proc burning.
4. BSW front is okay, but cba juggling that with berserk enchant uptime.
5. Pariah, clever or trickery backbar is good.
6. Resto backbar for groups, bgs and dueling. S&b for solo.
7. Go at least 30k health, max magicka isn't worth it anymore.
8. Breton > dunmer > everything else
9. Sharpened > charged atm
10. Vampire optional.

1. Agreed
2. Grothdar is very strong with elfbane
3. Correct
4. Keeping up berserk enchant is a great skill anyone serious in PvP should aim to learn
5. Agreed
6. Agreed
7. Agreed
8. Agreed, although high elf is still pretty good
9. Agreed
10. Agreed, although mistform is super strong and coag right out of mistform can help you bounce back really well.