The Gold Road Chapter – which includes the Scribing system – and Update 42 is now available to test on the PTS! You can read the latest patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/
To everyone getting scammed...
xv1_me
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Almost every legit crown seller will send crowns first, then you send the gold. If you can’t find one to agree to this right away, relax, crown store items are not life and death. You will find someone to accommodate you if you keep trying.
People will say “real money is more important”
Just tell them “no thank you, I’m not getting robbed today” and move on asking for someone else.
You WILL find someone.
Enjoy.
People will say “real money is more important”
Just tell them “no thank you, I’m not getting robbed today” and move on asking for someone else.
You WILL find someone.
Enjoy.
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Crowns are expensive, so I'd prefer to ask for the gold first before parting with my hard earned cash. Don't like it? Go earn your own money and buy your own crowns.10 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If your response to everyone getting scammed is for every single person to ask the other side to send first, then there won't be any trades anymore. You do realize that one side has to send second, even using your suggestion. One side is always open to being scammed.5 -
xv1_me✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »If your response to everyone getting scammed is for every single person to ask the other side to send first, then there won't be any trades anymore. You do realize that one side has to send second, even using your suggestion. One side is always open to being scammed.
Well yeah that’s a sure fire way to not get scammed but majority of legit crown sellers send first. That is my point. Not if you are a crown seller. But sure, same principle applies. There will always be someone to agree to the trade first just gotta find em.1 -
cmetzger93✭✭✭✭✭Yeah that’s definitely not my experience and I’ve been a crown seller for a hot minute with TCE and independently. Gold gets exchanged and then the crown item is gifted. It’s easier with a broker but gold always gets exchanged first. I would much rather be scammed out of gold then crowns which I paid ACTUAL money for…7 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Almost every legit crown seller will send crowns first, then you send the gold. If you can’t find one to agree to this right away, relax, crown store items are not life and death. You will find someone to accommodate you if you keep trying.
People will say “real money is more important”
Just tell them “no thank you, I’m not getting robbed today” and move on asking for someone else.
You WILL find someone.
Enjoy.
Sorry, but that's BS. People are getting scammed both ways, and the most secure way (though not 100%) is to use a middleman.3 -
Hippie4927✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭My crowns are real money. Your gold is pixelated money. Who should worry the most about being scammed? I would never send crowns first unless I knew and trusted the buyer.PC/NA/EP ✌️6 -
Jackey✭✭✭✭✭Tradable Crown tokens should be added to the Crown Store.
Like other MMOs have done.
You redeem it and get Crowns or 1 month eso plus.PS | EU4 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭I've been sending half gold payment up front and half after receiving the crown gift. This spreads the risk between the buyer and seller.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »I've been sending half gold payment up front and half after receiving the crown gift. This spreads the risk between the buyer and seller.
Well, a true scammer would not mind going away with half the gold if he did not spend any crowns... that's the problem. It divides the risk, it does not spread it.5 -
xv1_me✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Almost every legit crown seller will send crowns first, then you send the gold. If you can’t find one to agree to this right away, relax, crown store items are not life and death. You will find someone to accommodate you if you keep trying.
People will say “real money is more important”
Just tell them “no thank you, I’m not getting robbed today” and move on asking for someone else.
You WILL find someone.
Enjoy.
Sorry, but that's BS. People are getting scammed both ways, and the most secure way (though not 100%) is to use a middleman.
How is it bs? Don’t send first don’t get scammed. Easy.0 -
xv1_me✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »I've been sending half gold payment up front and half after receiving the crown gift. This spreads the risk between the buyer and seller.
I wouldn’t even do that.0 -
xv1_me✭✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »My crowns are real money. Your gold is pixelated money. Who should worry the most about being scammed? I would never send crowns first unless I knew and trusted the buyer.
That’s the beauty of it. There are MANY people that send crowns first. It’s not really a real money or pixelated issue, people that spend their time farming gold would not wanna lose it just as much as you wouldn’t wanna lose real money.1 -
Viewsfrom6ix✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »I've been sending half gold payment up front and half after receiving the crown gift. This spreads the risk between the buyer and seller.
Well, a true scammer would not mind going away with half the gold if he did not spend any crowns... that's the problem. It divides the risk, it does not spread it.
In my mind, spreading and dividing means the same thing in this context. The risk burden is shared by the seller since it is also possible for the buyer to not pay the second half amount after receiving the gift.
I agree, the problem of being scammed still exists. But it will be halved and shared between buyer and seller.Edited by Viewsfrom6ix on June 30, 2021 10:20PM2 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's a shame that there still isn't a system in place that facilitates a better crown to gold trading system.2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Almost every legit crown seller will send crowns first, then you send the gold. If you can’t find one to agree to this right away, relax, crown store items are not life and death. You will find someone to accommodate you if you keep trying.
People will say “real money is more important”
Just tell them “no thank you, I’m not getting robbed today” and move on asking for someone else.
You WILL find someone.
Enjoy.
Sorry, but that's BS. People are getting scammed both ways, and the most secure way (though not 100%) is to use a middleman.
How is it bs? Don’t send first don’t get scammed. Easy.
Yup. They go first. If I am going to be exchanging Crown goods for gold, and I hold the Crowns, then I'd better see the gold or thet can go find someone else to buy Crown stuff from.3 -
NoSoup✭✭✭✭yeah after being scammed a few times I only buy from guidlies.....Formally SirDopey, lost forum account during the great reset.....0
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So one way someone can scam for gold and the other way someone can scam for crowns. So the validity of the suggestion being made is really an opinion that is based on scope.
Why do people trust complete strangers?0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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They do refund people who get scammed. I know it because it happened to me. I asked nicely (not demanding), it was the first time, I provided enough details and proof, and they refunded me. Stating they would only do it ONCE.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why do people trust complete strangers?
I see two potential reasons here :
- Because in an MMO basically everyone is a complete stranger apart from the few guildies you may know closer and/or by real name,
- Because when you need to buy crowns for gold, you may not have a crown seller among your few trusted friends or guildies.
I use middleman services (from the Discord crown services). It's as safe as it can get. Else the only alternative is to buy crowns for cash and not for gold.
That being said, it's worth mentioning that NOT ALL strangers are scammers. Many of them are genuine.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on July 1, 2021 4:40AM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »I agree, the problem of being scammed still exists. But it will be halved and shared between buyer and seller.
Buyer can send "half the gold" but seller cannot (usually) send "half the gift".
Anyway, half the risk is still a big risk and it's still a scam leaving a big frustration.
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Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Why do people trust complete strangers?
I see two potential reasons here :
- Because in an MMO basically everyone is a complete stranger apart from the few guildies you may know closer and/or by real name,
- Because when you need to buy crowns for gold, you may not have a crown seller among your few trusted friends or guildies.
I use middleman services (from the Discord crown services). It's as safe as it can get. Else the only alternative is to buy crowns for cash and not for gold.
That being said, it's worth mentioning that NOT ALL strangers are scammers. Many of them are genuine.
I would suggest that no one "needs" to buy crowns as you suggest. That is very much a "want". However, I would certainly concede that using a "trusted" third party to manage the trade makes much more sense than what is suggested in this thread.
And of course, most players are not scammers. However, how does one tell the difference between someone that is genuine and one that is not?
I have never seen a game that lacked a reasonably secure way to trade cash shop items. We should be able to purchase an item and sell it via the trading system. If someone chose to go outside of the trading system and "trust" a stranger then that would be on them.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭cmetzger93 wrote: »Yeah that’s definitely not my experience and I’ve been a crown seller for a hot minute with TCE and independently. Gold gets exchanged and then the crown item is gifted. It’s easier with a broker but gold always gets exchanged first. I would much rather be scammed out of gold then crowns which I paid ACTUAL money for…
To be perfectly accurate, if you spend cash for crowns and then crowns for gold, it pretty equals to having spent cash for gold ;-)0 -
xv1_me✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
That isn’t what I said. I said majority of legit crown sellers send first.
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