Only one daily quest from Jee-Lar (Murkmire prologue dailies) after the patch

lillybit

alberichtano wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

It was originally intended to take 150 days to complete a stupid preview quest, compared to 30 for the others?? I refuse to believe this isn't an oversight and it's massively unfair to those of us who who left it to complete at a later date. Someone should have looked at the requirements before making such an idiotic change.

I would use less harsh words, but yes. I did the math - doing 150 quests at six a day would take 25 days, which is close to the standard of 30 days per area to get the achievement.

I think it was justified! I get that they want to standardise everything and on the whole totally agree with it, but they're taking things that don't fit the standard model and applying arbitrary rules that DO NOT WORK! It seems to be the norm now that they look at problems and fix half of it while ignoring the rest, making it worse for everyone in the process.

I realise I'm more angry about this than I probably should be, I'm just sick of all the lazy decisions lately that taken together are making me want to give up.

waterfairy

what's the name of the achievement? I didn't know this even existed before now but to take 3x longer then getting timbercrow sounds insane ha

lillybit

Vigarr wrote: »

what's the name of the achievement? I didn't know this even existed before now but to take 3x longer then getting timbercrow sounds insane ha

Under Prologues, it's the Cyrodilic Collections Associate/Agent/Champion group that gives the Murkmire Prepper title. The stages complete at 1, 40 and 150 quests.

For comparison, the Elsweyr equivalent has stages at 1, 10 and 30, also awards a title (Elsweyr Strategist) and gives the exact same achievement points per stage (10, 15 and 50)

alberichtano

lillybit wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

It was originally intended to take 150 days to complete a stupid preview quest, compared to 30 for the others?? I refuse to believe this isn't an oversight and it's massively unfair to those of us who who left it to complete at a later date. Someone should have looked at the requirements before making such an idiotic change.

I would use less harsh words, but yes. I did the math - doing 150 quests at six a day would take 25 days, which is close to the standard of 30 days per area to get the achievement.

I think it was justified! I get that they want to standardise everything and on the whole totally agree with it, but they're taking things that don't fit the standard model and applying arbitrary rules that DO NOT WORK! It seems to be the norm now that they look at problems and fix half of it while ignoring the rest, making it worse for everyone in the process.

I realise I'm more angry about this than I probably should be, I'm just sick of all the lazy decisions lately that taken together are making me want to give up.

Yep. I have no beef with one quest a day... if it would also be remade to need only 30 hits for the achievement.

alberichtano

Vigarr wrote: »

what's the name of the achievement? I didn't know this even existed before now but to take 3x longer then getting timbercrow sounds insane ha

Cyrodilic collections champion, under Prologues/Murkmire.

alberichtano

Vigarr wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Wolf_Eye wrote: »

I forgot what the achievement does and looked it up. It says it gives a title, but for some reason I remembering something more than just that. Wasn't there something else too?

You can get a pet and furnishings and such too

please elaborate...there's a repeatable prologue quest that grants these? After skimming this thread I feel like I missed the boat on something cool...I've done all prologues and the murkmire main quest but I don't remember any dailies outside the 2 in lilmoth and the 1 in the northeast

These quests are given by Jee-Lar in Shadowfen, just north of the main city wayshrine. It counts for the murkmire prologue.

Fennwitty

If it's intended, then please reduce the requirements for Jee-Lar's quests to be consistent with others. 30 vs. 150.

HansK

OK, from the patch notes,

Standardized a number of daily quests across the game:

1. Random daily quests are now random per player instead of being based on the NPC. These quests can still be shared with groupmates to complete more than one each day.
2. Previous Daily Quest NPCs who were giving out more than one quest per day now only give out 1 as originally intended.

The way I read this, questgivers in the various towns of Cyrodil should be limited to one quest per day. Haven't checked it (yet), can anyone confirm?

waterfairy

thank you to the few who answered me (gave you all 'awesome') because I had no idea such dailies even existed...perhaps I just blocked them out like I do with Stuga on alts

Katheriah

ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »

Hey folks,

Previous Daily Quest NPCs who were giving out more than one quest per day are now only give out 1 as originally intended. This change is mentioned in our patch notes here.

This change was accidentally missed in our PC launch notes and we apologize for the confusion this may have caused.

Hi Adrikoth,

You only forgot to lower the needed quests to 30, please do that change as wel. Thanks!

NoxiousBlight

Ugh. I'm not trying to sound hostile here but... this is pretty unsatisfactory.

I put these off for years because they are terrible. I would only do them during the anniversary events when you at least got a little something extra for them. I only have 55/150.

You are telling me it is INTENDED that I have to do one of these quests every day for NINTY-FIVE more days to get the achievement?

If I didn't have any done you expect people to do these for FIVE months? This isn't like endeavors where there is a juicy price at the end of the tunnel - you get 50 achievement points and a "meh" reward coffer.

Why are the Murkmire prologue quests so outrageously cumbersome? And why are people who didn't do them before now being punished literally years after Murkmire came out?

spartaxoxo

Why is the drop rate for anything good so much worse than normal daily quests if they weren't intended to be done multiple a day? What about Murkmire Prepper? @ZOS_Adrikoth

whitecrow

Now that I think about it, I believe I only did as much as I needed to get the netch pet.

SeaGtGruff

HansK wrote: »

OK, from the patch notes,

Standardized a number of daily quests across the game:

1. Random daily quests are now random per player instead of being based on the NPC. These quests can still be shared with groupmates to complete more than one each day.
2. Previous Daily Quest NPCs who were giving out more than one quest per day now only give out 1 as originally intended.

The way I read this, questgivers in the various towns of Cyrodil should be limited to one quest per day. Haven't checked it (yet), can anyone confirm?

The last time I did the Cyrodiil town dailies, you could still do all 10 each day-- 5 from one NPC, and 5 from another NPC in a given town. This was during the MYM event we just had, as well as the week after the event ended.

I think it does seem like it would make more sense, or at least be more consistent, for them to be limited to just 1 per NPC per day, or 2 per town.

jle30303

This is a bad change and should be reverted at once. It is simply not fun.

Mik195

Don't you just get an emote from the Elswyer ones? That would be ridiculously painful at one quest per day.

Jaraal

Mik195 wrote: »

Don't you just get an emote from the Elswyer ones? That would be ridiculously painful at one quest per day.

You can also get a praxis worth millions.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

lillybit wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

lillybit wrote: »

It was originally intended to take 150 days to complete a stupid preview quest, compared to 30 for the others?? I refuse to believe this isn't an oversight and it's massively unfair to those of us who who left it to complete at a later date. Someone should have looked at the requirements before making such an idiotic change.

I would use less harsh words, but yes. I did the math - doing 150 quests at six a day would take 25 days, which is close to the standard of 30 days per area to get the achievement.

I think it was justified! I get that they want to standardise everything and on the whole totally agree with it, but they're taking things that don't fit the standard model and applying arbitrary rules that DO NOT WORK! It seems to be the norm now that they look at problems and fix half of it while ignoring the rest, making it worse for everyone in the process.

I realise I'm more angry about this than I probably should be, I'm just sick of all the lazy decisions lately that taken together are making me want to give up.

@lillybit I didn't think you sounded harsh at all, I would have used much harsher words. I still feel like using more harsher words and some cursing as well, but that would just have my post removed.
Because this change is so utterly and completely unnecessary and a middle finger to the players. 150 days to complete some prologue dailies?!

whitecrow

Mik195 wrote: »

Don't you just get an emote from the Elswyer ones? That would be ridiculously painful at one quest per day.

You just had to get the parts for it, I think there were six or seven. It wasn't too bad.

The achievement, I don't know.

waterfairy

ok so I looked at my achievements and found the ones discussed here but it looks like you only earn a title...I didn't see any pets or anything that were mentioned here nor did I see any in the murkmire section that would unlock with these dailies.

whitecrow

Looks like I've only done 25 of his. Guess I'll help him out when I get bored.

I still haven't gotten the achievement for some of the Murkmire dailies either.

redspecter23

If you want to limit it to one per day, that's perfectly fine, but as others have mentioned, if you're bringing things "in line" then the 150 quests requirement should also be lowered to 30 to be "in line" with other daily achievements.

I absolutely refuse to believe that the intention of a prologue quest is to take 150 days to complete.

virtus753

ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »

Hey folks,

Previous Daily Quest NPCs who were giving out more than one quest per day are now only give out 1 as originally intended. This change is mentioned in our patch notes here.

This change was accidentally missed in our PC launch notes and we apologize for the confusion this may have caused.

Thank you for the update. It is unfortunate to hear that this achievement was intended to take an unprecedented 150 days without shares and that a bug like this existed without comment for three years before being so suddenly addressed.

To avoid similar confusion and disappointment with the upcoming Update 31, please be aware there seem to be several missing patch notes from the recent 7.1.0 PTS as well. Since these are also likely to cause a negative impact on player experience (the ones noticed so far are combat nerfs), please have someone check again that the patch notes include the necessary information so we can all be on the same page going forward and are not unpleasantly blindsided.

Thank you again for the communication. It is better to know, even if the news is not always welcome, than to be left in the dark.

Shawn_PT

So... We have to spend 150 days working on a Prologue??

Most my characters have between 40 and 50 done, and I was hoping one day they'd eventually start actually questing through the area once they had those done.... But I guess that will take a few years now.

I know I can go and complete quests in whatever order, no need to do the prologue. But this....this blows. There is literally no other way to put it.

But hey, I already have a backlog of at least 3 years' worth of quests/overland to run through, what's a couple more years, huh?


-1 in ESO satisfaction.

spartaxoxo

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So... We have to spend 150 days working on a Prologue??

Most my characters have between 40 and 50 done, and I was hoping one day they'd eventually start actually questing through the area once they had those done.... But I guess that will take a few years now.

I know I can go and complete quests in whatever order, no need to do the prologue. But this....this blows. There is literally no other way to put it.

But hey, I already have a backlog of at least 3 years' worth of quests/overland to run through, what's a couple more years, huh?


-1 in ESO satisfaction.

It's just a title for the achievement, doesn't effect quest progress.

Jaraal

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So... We have to spend 150 days working on a Prologue??

Most my characters have between 40 and 50 done, and I was hoping one day they'd eventually start actually questing through the area once they had those done.... But I guess that will take a few years now.

I know I can go and complete quests in whatever order, no need to do the prologue. But this....this blows. There is literally no other way to put it.

But hey, I already have a backlog of at least 3 years' worth of quests/overland to run through, what's a couple more years, huh?


-1 in ESO satisfaction.

Well, considering how gamebreaking it was that players could actually complete 6 quests in 30-40 minutes, I'm shocked they didn't patch this exploit much sooner.

spartaxoxo

Jaraal wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So... We have to spend 150 days working on a Prologue??

Most my characters have between 40 and 50 done, and I was hoping one day they'd eventually start actually questing through the area once they had those done.... But I guess that will take a few years now.

I know I can go and complete quests in whatever order, no need to do the prologue. But this....this blows. There is literally no other way to put it.

But hey, I already have a backlog of at least 3 years' worth of quests/overland to run through, what's a couple more years, huh?


-1 in ESO satisfaction.

Well, considering how gamebreaking it was that players could actually complete 6 quests in 30-40 minutes, I'm shocked they didn't patch this exploit much sooner.

Players can still do that. And it was not an exploit.

Jaraal

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Shawn_PT wrote: »

So... We have to spend 150 days working on a Prologue??

Most my characters have between 40 and 50 done, and I was hoping one day they'd eventually start actually questing through the area once they had those done.... But I guess that will take a few years now.

I know I can go and complete quests in whatever order, no need to do the prologue. But this....this blows. There is literally no other way to put it.

But hey, I already have a backlog of at least 3 years' worth of quests/overland to run through, what's a couple more years, huh?


-1 in ESO satisfaction.

Well, considering how gamebreaking it was that players could actually complete 6 quests in 30-40 minutes, I'm shocked they didn't patch this exploit much sooner.

Players can still do that. And it was not an exploit.

I knew I should have put the /s tag in that, my bad.

Coatmagic

LOL big ol' dead fish to the whiskers for all those who didn't finish and those coming into the game. Wow. Just wow.

redspecter23

When players say the devs don't play their own game, these are the situations that lead to those thoughts. Changing one part of a system without even considering the other aspects of the system that will be affected. As a player, if I were to look at the Murkmire prologue and was forced to pick out a "bug" I'd immediately point to the 150 quests required for the achievement. To me, that stands out as the thing that doesn't make sense. The ability to personally pick up all the quests yourself without requiring shares would be a distant second as that actually has precedent in the Cyrodiil daily system.

However, having said that, if I were "fixing" a problem, I would consider all aspects of the system rather than fix one issue and create an even larger one in the process. That's not fixing anything, but rather just creating more work as someone will likely come in later and finish the job.