help DKs (PvP)

LightYagami

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

Urzigurumash

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Athrys5

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Tbh even with procs enabled mag dk still wouldn't be on top 3 magicka classes (imho magcro, magen and magplar were overperforming, you could literally just heal off and still apply an insane pressure) , and magcro would be better in both cases. Also magdks running overwhelming + grothdarr were my last thoughts during proc meta patches, or should i remind you about crimson, syvarra's and Unfathomable Darkness?

Urzigurumash

Aldenn wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Tbh even with procs enabled mag dk still wouldn't be on top 3 magicka classes (imho magcro, magen and magplar were overperforming, you could literally just heal off and still apply an insane pressure) , and magcro would be better in both cases. Also magdks running overwhelming + grothdarr were my last thoughts during proc meta patches, or should i remind you about crimson, syvarra's and Unfathomable Darkness?

True, the additional 1k damage really changes things from the last couple years. I wasn't talking about the most recent patches, obviously StamDen with Syvarra's etc. outclasses everything in BGs. This was a little while ago when Grothdarr Templars and DKs were one of the strongest things going in BGs.

regime211

Aldenn wrote: »

Hello. I'll get straight to the point: DK is just a weaker Warden. Less tankiness less ulti regen (which are key points on a DK), and less output damage. I actually can't find a reason why one should pick this class when there's a "upgraded" version of it.

I'd like to give some suggestions:

• Bring back old wings: no one asked for a change, i don't really know why they were nerfed, a huge hit to our survivability both for stam and mag DKs
• Give Mag DKs a proper class executioner: Mag DKs are struggling with survivability without having any real advantage on damage. See sorcs, for example (more survivability, dmg and a class executioner which sometimes isn't really needed due to an insane output dmg)
• Give Stam DKs a stam spammable (?): Stam DKs are bound to weapon class abilities, pretty much every build is the same as it's mostly built around finding a window to land ur burst with leap after landing a couple dyzzing that ,after years,is starting to be utterly boring.
• Any suggestion or critique is highly appreciated.

I don't mean to sound crude, but it's a done deal this dev team will NOT make Mag Dk up to par with other classes, I have lost all complete faith within this team to make any reasonable changes, which is why my play time for this game has decreased drastically.

regime211

logan_ESO wrote: »

By a PvP perspective, Corrosive Armor makes DKs the proper class to abuse proc dot meta, since nobody can overheal unleashed+merciless on top of syvarra/unfhatomable/plague singer or what, a DKs in Corrosive ignores their physical resistance. They add their own dots too, making really hard to cleanse everything. They have OP CC (fossilize) OP sinergy (talons). Next patch they will be the only class that can buff procs with minor brutality.

By PvE perspective, they are BiS as tanks in lot of contents, and very efficient as DD (providing unique buffs to group too).

Doesn't wardens wings have minor brutality?

Rahar

Aldenn wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Pre-Elsweyr wings will never come back. I'm not sure how you (OP) can say that no one asked for a change when it oppressed pretty much any mag class that relied on projectiles, as multiple other posters have pointed out. That change was one of the best in ESO's history, IMO.

Though that isn't to say that I'm totally against any DK changes for the better. I don't play the class myself, but even on the receiving end DK is just a chore to fight. Too many packed in defenses makes for a class that's not threatening but can't be threatened 1v1, which (in my experience) is how a lot of players are gearing up their DKs since they don't have a lot of mobility/utility. I'd be okay with wings absorbing/reflecting a certain amount of damage at a certain distance for a certain number of projectiles, but I wouldn't like to see it returned to the conditionless wings of old, which were egregious in the aforementioned cases with mag classes.

One other thing I wanted to point out is that not all classes need everything in their class kit. Magsorc doesn't have a spammable either, but it's still good. Variety makes for a more interesting game, I think.

"Pretty much any mag class that relied on projectiles", probably the only class you're referring to is mag sorc, that i also play and i can tell that if u had a little bit of skill u could work around it.
We're just nerfing down things to try to put all players on the same level but the truth is that to play properly PvP you gotta use your brain (i'm not talking directly to you, just in general as the trend rn is to nerf down stuff).

As someone else pointed out, magblade is the best example of a class that has no options against an old wings-spamming DK. Magsorc suffered too, but at least curse and fury are projectile-less parts of the sorc kit. Even a few stamina characters majorly suffered from old wings -- like stamblade -- which should tell you how relatively powerful it was.

Anyway, I kind of loathe the 'git gud' argument because it brings nothing productive to the table. You don't really know how much experience I have in PvP nor the classes I play. But here's the truth: I played during old wings as a magsorc and a stamblade, and tbh playing around wings relied on the DK being negligent at reapplying them and taking a fair bit of time and damage spamming a few light attacks because that was the only option aside from waiting it out. That's not 'using my brain', that's relying on the DK to not have one. How is that not oppressive? I don't get to attack if the DK I'm fighting, even a bad one, can mash a skill every time it drops off.

Beffagorn

It's been what...2 years since stamdk has been worthless? The class at times just had a lucky strike within the context of metas and set that carried it to an average to good spot but that luck has since run out and even if it were still a thing the nerfs have made it so not even getting carried by sets is a thing anymore.

Magdks while not being exceptional are still at least DECENT in pvp, have a functioning skillset and an actual theme.

I've probably suggested this half a milion times already but here i go again...

Give Dragonknights a form of dot purge protection, like literally every single dot class in any MMORPG game with plentiful dispells has had for the past two decades or more.

THAT should be the absolute first change that NEEDS to happen. If that ever happens, i'd like to see Hardened Armor get a buff, become a stamina morph and additionally grant minor protection or perhaps minor heroism.

Obviously i'd like to see more changes than just that but if ZoS can't even give dks dot protection, asking for Hardened Armor to be changed from Mag to Stam is like asking for the moon already. Also, knowing ZoS they will try to reinvent the wheel to fix the most basic of problems just to fall flat on their face.

LightYagami

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

//Copied from my reply on another thread//:

Proc is one of the key problems making PvP unpopular. Lacking new PvP game design is another problem. Substandard servers also contributed.

No offense, some people get used to proc sets too much because they can easily kill and survive by simply waring the sets. Proc sets helped casual gaming a lot. (Of course some proc sets will be extremely op on the hands of hardcore players.)

I main a magdk in PvP and it is well known that magdks are so weak without proc but I still prefer no-proc PvP. I just enjoy maneuvering movements, using skills wisely, instead of simply my gears do most of the things for me.

I'm a semi-hard core solo player, I've been listed on VMA and Cyrodiil leaderboards quite a few times. I solo'd some vet dungeons too. I like improving my skills instead of grinding new proc sets. I play for challenge, not only for leisure fun. I appreciate that this game is very casual friendly but they have to care about hardcore players too. Anyway, these are only personal opinions.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

LightYagami

DK has been usually voted as one of the worst class in similar polls.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/563198/what-class-do-you-find-the-most-difficult-to-fight-in-cyrodiil-no-proc-test-edition#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/558808/what-class-do-you-find-the-most-difficult-to-fight/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561164/help-me-pick-a-stamina-class-for-alliance-pvp#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429504/which-class-is-weakest-healing-class-pve-and-pvp

xv1_me

Yes bring wings back please.

And can you fix leap?

Urzigurumash

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Proc is the easy option. As I said on another thread, I'm a semi hardcore player and I like challenge. I don't want gears do the majority for me. I want to get good even with a mediocre class.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

They don't really need to do the majority for you. You can just do the exact same thing with proc sets on and you neutralize some of the advantages other classes have over DK - namely harder hitting skills that aren't Ultimates and better damage passives. Point taken if you simply don't like them, I just wasn't sure what your take on this was. Everybody knows DK and Templar had been especially reliant on conditional sets for a long time.

As for your questions I never disagreed with you about anything regarding DK, I just wasn't sure how you reconciled the fact that we were much better off during the Malacath meta than some other classes, and those classes are much better off now than we are in No Procrodiil. I agree, for me MagDK is possibly the least seen solo spec in No Procrodiil. StamDK seems to be much more popular than MagDK right now. I play StamDK to be clear, we have many of the same concerns of course.

Urzigurumash

Here's another way to look at it this "gears doing it for me"

Other classes have better passives and more elaborate skills "doing it for them"

Just look at them

LightYagami

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Proc is the easy option. As I said on another thread, I'm a semi hardcore player and I like challenge. I don't want gears do the majority for me. I want to get good even with a mediocre class.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

They don't really need to do the majority for you. You can just do the exact same thing with proc sets on and you neutralize some of the advantages other classes have over DK - namely harder hitting skills that aren't Ultimates and better damage passives. Point taken if you simply don't like them, I just wasn't sure what your take on this was. Everybody knows DK and Templar had been especially reliant on conditional sets for a long time.

As for your questions I never disagreed with you about anything regarding DK, I just wasn't sure how you reconciled the fact that we were much better off during the Malacath meta than some other classes, and those classes are much better off now than we are in No Procrodiil. I agree, for me MagDK is possibly the least seen solo spec in No Procrodiil. StamDK seems to be much more popular than MagDK right now. I play StamDK to be clear, we have many of the same concerns of course.

If you main a stam DK, I really suggest you try to make it into magdk and test for a month intensively. Magdks are much weaker than stamdk in PvP. I tried the opposite, but I decided to keep my challenge by using magdk PvP.

I can use magdk well as mentioned, but the class really needs help because even on veterans' hands, they're only marginally competitive against other classes.

Athrys5

LightYagami wrote: »

DK has been usually voted as one of the worst class in similar polls.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/563198/what-class-do-you-find-the-most-difficult-to-fight-in-cyrodiil-no-proc-test-edition#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/558808/what-class-do-you-find-the-most-difficult-to-fight/p1

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561164/help-me-pick-a-stamina-class-for-alliance-pvp#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429504/which-class-is-weakest-healing-class-pve-and-pvp

Also proves the fact that even among base game classes no one want ever to pick and master a DK.

Extinct_Solo_Player

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Proc is the easy option. As I said on another thread, I'm a semi hardcore player and I like challenge. I don't want gears do the majority for me. I want to get good even with a mediocre class.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

They don't really need to do the majority for you. You can just do the exact same thing with proc sets on and you neutralize some of the advantages other classes have over DK - namely harder hitting skills that aren't Ultimates and better damage passives. Point taken if you simply don't like them, I just wasn't sure what your take on this was. Everybody knows DK and Templar had been especially reliant on conditional sets for a long time.

As for your questions I never disagreed with you about anything regarding DK, I just wasn't sure how you reconciled the fact that we were much better off during the Malacath meta than some other classes, and those classes are much better off now than we are in No Procrodiil. I agree, for me MagDK is possibly the least seen solo spec in No Procrodiil. StamDK seems to be much more popular than MagDK right now. I play StamDK to be clear, we have many of the same concerns of course.

If you main a stam DK, I really suggest you try to make it into magdk and test for a month intensively. Magdks are much weaker than stamdk in PvP. I tried the opposite, but I decided to keep my challenge by using magdk PvP.

I can use magdk well as mentioned, but the class really needs help because even on veterans' hands, they're only marginally competitive against other classes.

I wouldn't say much weaker they're both in a bad spot and both need to be looked into, I have played both mag and stam and stam dk isn't levels ahead. This is coming from someone with 5 years experience from both stam and mag dk.

LightYagami

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Proc is the easy option. As I said on another thread, I'm a semi hardcore player and I like challenge. I don't want gears do the majority for me. I want to get good even with a mediocre class.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

They don't really need to do the majority for you. You can just do the exact same thing with proc sets on and you neutralize some of the advantages other classes have over DK - namely harder hitting skills that aren't Ultimates and better damage passives. Point taken if you simply don't like them, I just wasn't sure what your take on this was. Everybody knows DK and Templar had been especially reliant on conditional sets for a long time.

As for your questions I never disagreed with you about anything regarding DK, I just wasn't sure how you reconciled the fact that we were much better off during the Malacath meta than some other classes, and those classes are much better off now than we are in No Procrodiil. I agree, for me MagDK is possibly the least seen solo spec in No Procrodiil. StamDK seems to be much more popular than MagDK right now. I play StamDK to be clear, we have many of the same concerns of course.

If you main a stam DK, I really suggest you try to make it into magdk and test for a month intensively. Magdks are much weaker than stamdk in PvP. I tried the opposite, but I decided to keep my challenge by using magdk PvP.

I can use magdk well as mentioned, but the class really needs help because even on veterans' hands, they're only marginally competitive against other classes.

I wouldn't say much weaker they're both in a bad spot and both need to be looked into, I have played both mag and stam and stam dk isn't levels ahead. This is coming from someone with 5 years experience from both stam and mag dk.

Yes both of them are in a bad spot, and magdk is even worst...

Just look at your death recap and player base. How often do you see magdks on your death recap comparing to stam? How often do you meet magdks comparing to stam?

If magdk is close to stamdk, we'll see much more magdks on death recap and around PvP zones.

Collective selection of the community already told the fact. Quite many content creators also shared their analysis.

I'm sure if ZOS publish data on killing, death, damage, etc., Magdks are at much lower position than stam.

If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

This is from a leaderboard hardcore player with experience in magdk, stamdk, stamden, magsorc, stamblade.

Vevvev

Jeremy wrote: »

Aldenn wrote: »

Hello. I'll get straight to the point: DK is just a weaker Warden. Less tankiness less ulti regen (which are key points on a DK), and less output damage. I actually can't find a reason why one should pick this class when there's a "upgraded" version of it.

I'd like to give some suggestions:

• Bring back old wings: no one asked for a change, i don't really know why they were nerfed, a huge hit to our survivability both for stam and mag DKs
• Give Mag DKs a proper class executioner: Mag DKs are struggling with survivability without having any real advantage on damage. See sorcs, for example (more survivability, dmg and a class executioner which sometimes isn't really needed due to an insane output dmg)
• Give Stam DKs a stam spammable (?): Stam DKs are bound to weapon class abilities, pretty much every build is the same as it's mostly built around finding a window to land ur burst with leap after landing a couple dyzzing that ,after years,is starting to be utterly boring.
• Any suggestion or critique is highly appreciated.

Dragon Knight has been since the beginning - and remains to this day - my most dreaded opponent in PvP. The only exception to this was the OP Bash-omatic necromancer, which was short-lived. And if there is a class that doesn't struggle with survivability in PvP on this game (no CP) then I haven't seen it. So that doesn't set Dragon Knight apart from any of the others. Their offense is insane, and they have the most potent CC in the game. In my opinion: a well-played Dragon Knight is the best class at PVP on this game.

So I would stick with it. They can very good once you get the hang of it.

And this remains true until the DK fights a purge spammer. Watching all your offensive strength get countered by a single tactic available to 3 of the 6 classes in their kit, and everyone if they're willing to use the Alliance War Purge, is a bit demoralizing. All you can do is try to outlast their resource pool, but that's not always possible and DK isn't known for its sustain.

Granted, you are correct when it comes to fighting anyone else. DK is slow and lumbering but when they get their hands on their opponent their innate snare, powerful DoTs, and Fossilize does indeed push everyone's builds to their limits.

Extinct_Solo_Player

LightYagami wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

Urzigurumash wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

I unusual ask some questions...
To: people still claiming magdks are op in PvP in May 2021, could you please answer...:

1. If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

2. How often do you see magdks in PvP death recap comparing to other classes?

3. What is the class of your current PvP main toon?

So why are you so opposed to procs? MagDK graced the PvE meta with broken interaction between Zaan and Elfbane, and for a few patches was among the most powerful specs in BGs with the Grothdarr + Overwhelming thing, or whatever it was.

If you had to choose - procs are enabled and MagDK is competitive, or procs are disabled and you should play MagCro to be competitive?

If your answer is you shouldn't have to make that choice, proc sets shouldn't be used to patch up class imbalances, etc., all fair points.

Proc is the easy option. As I said on another thread, I'm a semi hardcore player and I like challenge. I don't want gears do the majority for me. I want to get good even with a mediocre class.

By the way you didn't answer all the questions.

They don't really need to do the majority for you. You can just do the exact same thing with proc sets on and you neutralize some of the advantages other classes have over DK - namely harder hitting skills that aren't Ultimates and better damage passives. Point taken if you simply don't like them, I just wasn't sure what your take on this was. Everybody knows DK and Templar had been especially reliant on conditional sets for a long time.

As for your questions I never disagreed with you about anything regarding DK, I just wasn't sure how you reconciled the fact that we were much better off during the Malacath meta than some other classes, and those classes are much better off now than we are in No Procrodiil. I agree, for me MagDK is possibly the least seen solo spec in No Procrodiil. StamDK seems to be much more popular than MagDK right now. I play StamDK to be clear, we have many of the same concerns of course.

If you main a stam DK, I really suggest you try to make it into magdk and test for a month intensively. Magdks are much weaker than stamdk in PvP. I tried the opposite, but I decided to keep my challenge by using magdk PvP.

I can use magdk well as mentioned, but the class really needs help because even on veterans' hands, they're only marginally competitive against other classes.

I wouldn't say much weaker they're both in a bad spot and both need to be looked into, I have played both mag and stam and stam dk isn't levels ahead. This is coming from someone with 5 years experience from both stam and mag dk.

Yes both of them are in a bad spot, and magdk is even worst...

Just look at your death recap and player base. How often do you see magdks on your death recap comparing to stam? How often do you meet magdks comparing to stam?

If magdk is close to stamdk, we'll see much more magdks on death recap and around PvP zones.

Collective selection of the community already told the fact. Quite many content creators also shared their analysis.

I'm sure if ZOS publish data on killing, death, damage, etc., Magdks are at much lower position than stam.

If from now on, you can only use one toon in PvP, will you use magdk?

This is from a leaderboard hardcore player with experience in magdk, stamdk, stamden, magsorc, stamblade.

I hardly see either spec in pvp, only classes i see are sorcs stamblades and the dlc classes hardly any dks.