Zero Penetration... what am I missing?
MacCait
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Messing about with characters on PTS, but note I have 0 Penetration. I can add point from CP tree and get 700 penetration, and add mundus etc, but if I do not use the 700 pen and mundus, I have zero penetration.
Surely I am missing something here.
Nord Necro in 5 piece medium and 2 piece heavy
Nord Necro in 7 piece heavy
Surely I am missing something here.
Nord Necro in 5 piece medium and 2 piece heavy
Nord Necro in 7 piece heavy
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MrZeDark✭✭✭Where would you be getting penetration from?
If your armor, race, class, abilities don't give it to you - where would you get it?1 -
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As far as I understood it, when they implemented CP 2.0 and nerfed scalable comvat traits based on lvl - Penetration was only obtainable from Class, Ability's, Race, Armor, CP, Glyph, Trait or Effect.Edited by MrZeDark on April 28, 2021 3:22PM0 -
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As far as I understood it, when they implemented CP 2.0 and nerfed scalable comvat traits based on lvl - Penetration was only obtainable from Class, Ability's, Race, Armor, CP, Glyph, Trait or Effect.
Really? ..and then they nerfed one of the only sources from the CP tree to just 700 penetration? WOW
Ok thanks for answering
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It would be pointless to give base penetration higher than zero unless bonuses were percent based. You have to get it from somewhere. Abilities, skills, gear, mundus, and CP. They also nerfed CP based penetration, IIRC with CP 2.0.0 -
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✭Messing about with characters on PTS, but note I have 0 Penetration. I can add point from CP tree and get 700 penetration, and add mundus etc, but if I do not use the 700 pen and mundus, I have zero penetration.
Surely I am missing something here.
Nord Necro in 5 piece medium and 2 piece heavy
Nord Necro in 7 piece heavy
As a Necromancer in Medium/Heavy, you have the following sources of penetration to consider:
- Necros get 1500 from Grave Lord passive
- 700 from CP
- Sharpened provides 3276
- Lover (without Divines) provides 2774
- Spriggan armor set provides 3460
Only Light Armor provides innate penetration and it’s always been this way. The tradeoff is that Medium gets a strong weapon damage passive and Heavy grants sustain.Edited by Vercingetorix on April 28, 2021 4:04PM“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”1 -
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
ETA: Murkmire, of course: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/441713/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-2-5Edited by virtus753 on April 28, 2021 4:38PM1 -
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✭Vercingetorix wrote: »Messing about with characters on PTS, but note I have 0 Penetration. I can add point from CP tree and get 700 penetration, and add mundus etc, but if I do not use the 700 pen and mundus, I have zero penetration.
Surely I am missing something here.
Nord Necro in 5 piece medium and 2 piece heavy
Nord Necro in 7 piece heavy
As a Necromancer in Medium/Heavy, you have the following sources of penetration to consider:
- Necros get 1500 from Grave Lord passive
- 700 from CP
- Sharpened provides 3276
- Lover (without Divines) provides 2774
- Spriggan armor set provides 3460
Only Light Armor provides innate penetration and it’s always been this way. The tradeoff is that Medium gets a strong weapon damage passive and Heavy grants sustain.
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
Ahh yes, I did think there used to be a base penetration... I think with the CP nerf on top, this is why such low pen. I've never built a character with such low pen before, but then again, I've never built a Nord Necro too lol0 -
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
Ahh yes, I did think there used to be a base penetration... I think with the CP nerf on top, this is why such low pen. I've never built a character with such low pen before, but then again, I've never built a Nord Necro too lol
Yeah, 100 wasn't much, but it was something. I updated the post above with the link to the relevant patch notes.0 -
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
Ahh yes, I did think there used to be a base penetration... I think with the CP nerf on top, this is why such low pen. I've never built a character with such low pen before, but then again, I've never built a Nord Necro too lol
Yeah, 100 wasn't much, but it was something. I updated the post above with the link to the relevant patch notes.
Considering penetration is so low without sets and mundus, the 50% nerf to CP Penetration seems very severe0 -
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
Ahh yes, I did think there used to be a base penetration... I think with the CP nerf on top, this is why such low pen. I've never built a character with such low pen before, but then again, I've never built a Nord Necro too lol
Yeah, 100 wasn't much, but it was something. I updated the post above with the link to the relevant patch notes.
Considering penetration is so low without sets and mundus, the 50% nerf to CP Penetration seems very severe
But apparently our asking for a lower vertical progression cap meant we were also asking for lower power cap as well, or something. Still confused on how they think A per se implies B.
It does make me wonder (and not for the first time) why the devs seem to think an MMO "power fantasy" involves having the power we worked for being taken away...0 -
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Base penetration was 100. That was removed a couple of years ago. I'll try to update when I can find the relevant patch notes.
Ahh yes, I did think there used to be a base penetration... I think with the CP nerf on top, this is why such low pen. I've never built a character with such low pen before, but then again, I've never built a Nord Necro too lol
Yeah, 100 wasn't much, but it was something. I updated the post above with the link to the relevant patch notes.
Considering penetration is so low without sets and mundus, the 50% nerf to CP Penetration seems very severe
But apparently our asking for a lower vertical progression cap meant we were also asking for lower power cap as well, or something. Still confused on how they think A per se implies B.
It does make me wonder (and not for the first time) why the devs seem to think an MMO "power fantasy" involves having the power we worked for being taken away...
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Hopefully, the changes won't go through since a large majority of the community is against it, but then again it's ZOS.0